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Speed: Boards vs. Skis??
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, snowbender wrote: On our mountains, we mainly do Chinese downhill, and snowboarders bomb down the grooms always go faster than skiers. http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...0****%20is%20a %20Chinese%20downhill%3F |
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On 11/28/10 11:44 AM, Dave Hartman wrote:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...0****%20is%20a %20Chinese%20downhill%3F Huh? These guys claim the term *Chinese Downhill* originated with the 1984 film _Hot Dog The Movie_ I'm pretty sure it pre-exists, but I bet finding written cites would be pretty near impossible. |
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lal_truckee wrote:
On 11/28/10 11:44 AM, Dave Hartman wrote: http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...0****%20is%20a %20Chinese%20downhill%3F Huh? These guys claim the term *Chinese Downhill* originated with the 1984 film _Hot Dog The Movie_ That's the only place I've ever heard it used. Never at a ski area. I'm pretty sure it pre-exists, but I bet finding written cites would be pretty near impossible. |
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On 11/28/10 1:02 PM, Bob F wrote:
lal_truckee wrote: On 11/28/10 11:44 AM, Dave Hartman wrote: http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...0****%20is%20a %20Chinese%20downhill%3F Huh? These guys claim the term *Chinese Downhill* originated with the 1984 film _Hot Dog The Movie_ That's the only place I've ever heard it used. Never at a ski area. I imagine it derives from the *Chinese Firedrill* where everybody piles out of a car, runs around the vehicle, and reenters: preferably when stopped in traffic lanes on a busy street, the mass exit / mass start being the connection. *Chinese Firedrill* dates back to the 1950s IIRC. CLIP Alpine Meadows promulgates a *Chinese Downhill* mass start race annually in the late spring - prize is a season pass. Been doing it for many years, maybe decades - can't recall if earlier than 1984. |
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On Nov 28, 12:26*pm, lal_truckee wrote:
On 11/28/10 11:44 AM, Dave Hartman wrote: http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...he%20****%20is.... %20Chinese%20downhill%3F Huh? These guys claim the term *Chinese Downhill* originated with the 1984 film _Hot Dog The Movie_ I'm pretty sure it pre-exists, but I bet finding written cites would be pretty near impossible. We used it in the 60's in Vermont and New Hampshire. |
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Is it not "Then those skiers are better at skiing then the
snowboarders they are competing against"? Even head-to-head competition may not prove it which one is faster, let alone the separated run on different days. The is a large body of skier/boarder X race results run on the same course and often on the same day. All these results say that skiers are roughly 10% faster. Head-to-head competition has already proven that skiers are faster. That's why they don't run head-to-head competitions anymore. The skiers always won. When you look at the body of race results, the course conditions average out over time and skiers are consistently faster. Well then you sould be able to find an article where someone claims that. *Where's the article? Hear-say? No, I don't chase the wind. Given that you cannot straight- lining/line-skiing, a bomb down snowboarder will be faster then you is a certainty, wanna bet? I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Apparently something about my skiing ability which you know absolutely nothing about. Why, you don't even know if I ski, board or tele. Could you clarify your statement in English so we may be able to understand what you are trying to say? Snow quality may affect speed but not by those kind of margins when we are comparing Olympic caliber skiers and snowboarders. The whole racing environment may affect the outcome of the race, including some lucks, Lindsey Vonn lost her bid on 2010 Olympic slalom event reflects a typical example. So what does this have to do with skiers or snowboarders being faster? Anybody can get a DNF. It happens all the time in all ski or snowboard racing. And all you need to do is look at the multitude of race results to compare. Skiers are always faster. Any affects of snow quality or conditions are averaged out when you look at that many results. I'm still waiting for you to show one example were one boarder X winner was faster than the winning skier X winner. Even when conditions favor boarders over skiers, the skiers still beat the boarders so your example is complete b.s. Given that, yes, skiers are faster, but it only proves it in a confined environment--a X course--where every turn and every jump are known and thoroughly inspected, so every maneuver is predictable and planed ahead, sure, skiers have the advantage, but I'm more interesting in Chinese downhill where every competitor has to find his/ her own path, then the quick maneuvering of snowboarding results in shorter straighter line would give the snowboarders advantage, who would go faster is "still up in the air," especially in heavy powder/ cement in heavily wooded areas. So now you admit skiers are faster? No snowbard can ever out maneuver a skier who is the same level. Why? Because skis have four edges and snowboards only have two. I have never seen any snowboarder who could carve turns as fast as the many Pro Mogul competitors that I've been out on the mountain with. Not like your little-mindedness, I just keep my mind open. You're not keeping your mind open at all. All you do is try to insult when you have been proven wrong. And this is just another example. |
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lal_truckee wrote: On 11/28/10 11:44 AM, Dave Hartman wrote: http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...0****%20is%20a %20Chinese%20downhill%3F Huh? These guys claim the term *Chinese Downhill* originated with the 1984 film _Hot Dog The Movie_ I'm pretty sure it pre-exists, but I bet finding written cites would be pretty near impossible. To be fair, that is urbandictionary.com and is not exactly an an academic source. I just liked that my first reaction paralleled that of the Asian skier in "Hotdog - The Movie" -- "What the **** is a Chinese downhill?" |
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On 11/28/10 1:16 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
CLIP Alpine Meadows promulgates a *Chinese Downhill* mass start race annually in the late spring - prize is a season pass. Been doing it for many years, maybe decades - can't recall if earlier than 1984. Just to be clear, Alpine DOES NOT (and AFAIK never has) bill their mass start race as a *Chinese Downhill* - that would be offensive. |
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On 11/28/2010 06:01 PM, snoig wrote:
Is it not "Then those skiers are better at skiing then the snowboarders they are competing against"? Even head-to-head competition may not prove it which one is faster, let alone the separated run on different days. The is a large body of skier/boarder X race results run on the same course and often on the same day. All these results say that skiers are roughly 10% faster. Head-to-head competition has already proven that skiers are faster. That's why they don't run head-to-head competitions anymore. The skiers always won. When you look at the body of race results, the course conditions average out over time and skiers are consistently faster. Well then you sould be able to find an article where someone claims that. Where's the article? Hear-say? No, I don't chase the wind. Given that you cannot straight- lining/line-skiing, a bomb down snowboarder will be faster then you is a certainty, wanna bet? I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Apparently something about my skiing ability which you know absolutely nothing about. Why, you don't even know if I ski, board or tele. Could you clarify your statement in English so we may be able to understand what you are trying to say? Snow quality may affect speed but not by those kind of margins when we are comparing Olympic caliber skiers and snowboarders. The whole racing environment may affect the outcome of the race, including some lucks, Lindsey Vonn lost her bid on 2010 Olympic slalom event reflects a typical example. So what does this have to do with skiers or snowboarders being faster? Anybody can get a DNF. It happens all the time in all ski or snowboard racing. And all you need to do is look at the multitude of race results to compare. Skiers are always faster. Any affects of snow quality or conditions are averaged out when you look at that many results. I'm still waiting for you to show one example were one boarder X winner was faster than the winning skier X winner. Even when conditions favor boarders over skiers, the skiers still beat the boarders so your example is complete b.s. Given that, yes, skiers are faster, but it only proves it in a confined environment--a X course--where every turn and every jump are known and thoroughly inspected, so every maneuver is predictable and planed ahead, sure, skiers have the advantage, but I'm more interesting in Chinese downhill where every competitor has to find his/ her own path, then the quick maneuvering of snowboarding results in shorter straighter line would give the snowboarders advantage, who would go faster is "still up in the air," especially in heavy powder/ cement in heavily wooded areas. So now you admit skiers are faster? No snowbard can ever out maneuver a skier who is the same level. Why? Because skis have four edges and snowboards only have two. I have never seen any snowboarder who could carve turns as fast as the many Pro Mogul competitors that I've been out on the mountain with. Uhm, I've never seen a pro mogul competitor carve a turn. That may be why they CAN turn so fast. Not like your little-mindedness, I just keep my mind open. You're not keeping your mind open at all. All you do is try to insult when you have been proven wrong. And this is just another example. |
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On 11/28/10 5:07 PM, VtSkier wrote:
Uhm, I've never seen a pro mogul competitor carve a turn. That may be why they CAN turn so fast. Uh, I hope you meant "in the course?" These guys/gals are pretty dam good free skiers. .... as are alpine worldcuppers. |
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