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No Vasaloppet in 2022-Global Warming
See: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1559424.ece This is consistent with a prediction I heard made by scientists who studied glaciers in the US west. No skiing of any kind in North America in 20 years. The predictions I heard regarding the effects of climate change due to C02 emissions included northern Europe and The British Isles becoming much colder. Also I did hear years ago that Vasaloppet planners where looking into the future and figuring out how far north they'd have to move the race. Gary Jacobson Rosendale, NY |
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No Vasaloppet in 2022-Global Warming
It's really sad, but in MN I think the (temporatory) future of XC
skiing is artificial snow. It's like doing laps in the pool, so it gets old quick. Part of what I liked about skiing, is that I could get in a consistent winter workout skiing on a golf course about 1/2 mile from my house. Now I have to drive 35 min or more, and of course that adds to the problem. I've started doing more self-examination, and I realized that I haven't changed my habits regarding my CO2 generation besides insulating the attic a few years ago. Just last night I said to my wife, next year we're insulating the walls and getting a new furnace. So is anyone else switching to more fuel efficiency? Riding the bike to work, solar hot water? Jay Wenner |
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No Vasaloppet in 2022-Global Warming
Gary Jacobson wrote: See: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1559424.ece This is consistent with a prediction I heard made by scientists who studied glaciers in the US west. No skiing of any kind in North America in 20 years. The predictions I heard regarding the effects of climate change due to C02 emissions included northern Europe and The British Isles becoming much colder. Also I did hear years ago that Vasaloppet planners where looking into the future and figuring out how far north they'd have to move the race. Are you saying no skiing anywhere in North America including the high mountains of the western US and Canada, northern Canadian provinces, or anywhere in Alaska? That sounds pretty far fetched to me, but I'm listening. |
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No Vasaloppet in 2022-Global Warming
Gary Jacobson wrote
No skiing of any kind in North America in 20 years. I'll be glad to bet money against that claim -- provided there were some reliable way to ensure that I would get paid in 2026 after I won the bet. How about offering some credible verifiable source for that extreme negative claim? I see no reason to subject the readers of this newsgroup to that sort of unfounded discouragement about continuing in our sport. The predictions I heard regarding the effects of climate change due to C02 emissions included northern Europe and The British Isles becoming much colder. Yes I've heard sensible reasons for thinking that Scotland and Norway might have _higher_ average snowfall in 20 years than now. (Though I'm not willing to bet on that one unless offered some odds.) Same could happen for some places in North America. Climate is complicated, and so is snowfall. Just because Earth overall is probably going to keep getting warmer does not contradict the hope that some areas might start getting more snow. Ken |
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Jay Wenner wrote
Part of what I liked about skiing, is that I could get in a consistent winter workout Yes, and even without snow I get a consistent winter workout -- right out my door-- on my rollerskis or inline skates or bicycle. ... artificial snow. It's like doing laps in the pool, so it gets old quick. I've got hundreds of km of well-paved wide roads around where I live -- way more terrain to explore than any XC ski center in the northeast U.S. I still keep finding whole networks of pretty streets I've never rollerskied or skated on before. It does not "get old". Snow is good too, and I put some effort to drive to it and enjoy it when it's available. But it's no problem for Sharon and me to get a fun winter workout without it. Ken |
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Gary Jacobson wrote: "Camilo" wrote in message oups.com... Gary Jacobson wrote: See: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1559424.ece This is consistent with a prediction I heard made by scientists who studied glaciers in the US west. No skiing of any kind in North America in 20 years. Are you saying no skiing anywhere in North America including the high mountains of the western US and Canada, northern Canadian provinces, or anywhere in Alaska? That sounds pretty far fetched to me, but I'm listening. Yes. I am saying that a friend of mine who works for the National Park System was told by scientists at Glacier National Park that there will be no skiing in continental USA in 20 years if the rate of glacier recession continues as it has recently. Apparently the glacial recession is a canary or harbinger. Well, you said "North America", not the "continental US". Believe it or not, there's a lot more to north america than the continental US, and there's a lot more to the US than the continental US. I thought your original statement was kind of fishy. I'm skeptical about the whole thing. |
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I wouldn't be surprised if any particular place that has snow
regularly now in the US has no snow in 15 years. But the whole US or the whole of North America? No way. I'll bet global warming will cause some weird weather patterns with *more* snow in a few places. -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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Maybe the sport of Nordic Skiing will truly be "nordic only". Some time
in the future if temps keep on rising there will only be xc skiing in nations with mountenous area very much north. XC skiing anno 2050: - Canada - USA with Alaska - Norway - Sweden - Finland - Russia None from central europe because the mountain tops high enough for snow do not have landscape for xc tracks, only alpine. Urgh ... what a future. What did you say Gore? Gary Jacobson skrev: See: http://www.aftenposten.no/english/lo...cle1559424.ece |
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Gary Jacobson wrote
I am saying that a friend of mine who works for the National Park System was told by scientists at Glacier National Park that there will be no skiing in continental USA in 20 years if the rate of glacier recession continues as it has recently. Now I can guess the source of the confusion. Somebody who doesn't understand skiing is thinking that because lots of glaciers might disappear in 20 years, therefore there wouldn't be any skiing in 20 years. But the glaciers have been receding for a long time now, and yet we're still skiing. One time in March a bunch of us we're ski touring in the Canadian Rockies, and somebody pointed out that you could see the old path of the glacier when it was much bigger, and how much smaller it was now in comparison -- and how if we had been there years ago, the route of our tour would have taken us onto that glacier. We did our route and despite the lack of glacier, we were on snow the whole way and we skied the whole way. In the month of March in the mountains of western Canada, there's lots of snow on the ground that has nothing to do with the history of glaciers. Apparently the glacial recession is a canary or harbinger. Sounds like something Gary is saying, not something the scientists said. If I may paraphrase a U.S. national ski coach: The glaciers grow because the snow falls faster, not the snowfall slows because the glaciers don't grow. Ken |
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Gary Jacobson wrote
I do know that either or both Worldloppet and IAWLS have voiced concern about the continuation of Worldloppet into the next decades. The problem for organizers of giant race events is different than for those of us who just want to enjoy skiing. The organizers think they need to make big financial and human-support commitments to a specific place on a specific date. They've got a big problem with the uncertainty. For me and lots of other skiers, if anything it's gotten easier to increase our percentage of good ski days. Modern technology gives us quicker access to a wider range of info on snow conditions and weather forecasts. Not just the official website, but reports from real skiers on discussion groups. Then when we want to meet we can just send an Email out to our buddies, coordinate at the last minute with cell phones. For Sharon and me, making a decision about if and where to drive to ski on Saturday is early if it comes on Thursday night. For long-weekend trips we can easily reserve lodging on the net, then cancel it just as easily on the net when conditions don't look good. I've heard there's a big ice skating in Sweden near Stockholm, where the 80km(?) tour route is set, but the date is not. So they wait week after week, and when they see the ice conditions are good, a message goes out and lots of people skate the tour. When I skied 90km from Salen to Mora, I didn't need anybody to tell me which day to do it. race organizers are being encouraged to establish the means to hold races on man made snow. That's a question of money (and temperature). The money depends on how many people choose to participate. The number of people who want to participate in 20 years -- and 5 years -- is going to depend on how much we encourage or discourage to start and continue to ski -- and how much we develop and support a realistic way to get out for enjoyable days of skiing (or near-skiing substitutes off snow). Ken |
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