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Alum vs graphite poles for touring
So today I actually compared alum poles to some low end graphite and
they really are a lot lighter! But for touring in the woods where poles get stuck on things occasionally, or fallen onto, are graphites really strong enough or are they prone to breakage (instead of bending like alum)? |
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Alum vs graphite poles for touring
On Nov 20, 10:58*pm, gr wrote:
So today I actually compared alum poles to some low end graphite and they really are a lot *lighter! But for touring in the woods where poles get stuck on things occasionally, or fallen onto, are graphites really strong enough or are they prone to breakage (instead of bending like alum)? Knock on carbon... I use carbon poles for touring but I protect em with my life. They're great and needed for huge day trips. But I bring duct-tape and a pole insert, etc. If you hit carbon with your knee while it's planted you get to hear a "pop!" Yet if you don't bend it and give it that fatal sharp blow it's supertough. When I first used carbon 20 years ago I broke a pole. I have maybe broken one more since then. Other ski racers break a pole every year. I've fallen maybe 100 times with my best poles and they're still fine! (Praise be!). Still, I know how to fall -- I sacrifice my body, kinda. Also, there's a way to lift/swing a pole when you're falling on it to PIVOT it out of the way instead of LEVERING it. It's a lot like clearing a slalom gate. I do stay aware when skiing in settings where there might be pole entrapment in brush -- then I'll just not plant em. G'luck! --JP outyourbackdoor.com |
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On 12/1/2010 9:11 AM, Jeff Potter wrote:
On Nov 20, 10:58 pm, wrote: So today I actually compared alum poles to some low end graphite and they really are a lot lighter! But for touring in the woods where poles get stuck on things occasionally, or fallen onto, are graphites really strong enough or are they prone to breakage (instead of bending like alum)? Knock on carbon... I use carbon poles for touring but I protect em with my life. They're great and needed for huge day trips. But I bring duct-tape and a pole insert, etc. If you hit carbon with your knee while it's planted you get to hear a "pop!" Yet if you don't bend it and give it that fatal sharp blow it's supertough. When I first used carbon 20 years ago I broke a pole. I have maybe broken one more since then. Other ski racers break a pole every year. I've fallen maybe 100 times with my best poles and they're still fine! (Praise be!). Still, I know how to fall -- I sacrifice my body, kinda. Also, there's a way to lift/swing a pole when you're falling on it to PIVOT it out of the way instead of LEVERING it. It's a lot like clearing a slalom gate. I do stay aware when skiing in settings where there might be pole entrapment in brush -- then I'll just not plant em. G'luck! --JP outyourbackdoor.com I guess I will just stick with my alum poles. I am always getting them hung in brush, or half stuck in frozen mud that grabs a pole out of my hand (sometimes pulling the handle off!). Not so much falling on them (don't fall so much anymore!) Is there a lot of difference in non-metal materials (carbon,graphite, fiberglass, etc), or is it really the epoxy/resin that is so fragile? gr |
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On Dec 5, 1:20*pm, gr wrote:
On 12/1/2010 9:11 AM, Jeff Potter wrote: On Nov 20, 10:58 pm, *wrote: So today I actually compared alum poles to some low end graphite and they really are a lot *lighter! But for touring in the woods where poles get stuck on things occasionally, or fallen onto, are graphites really strong enough or are they prone to breakage (instead of bending like alum)? Knock on carbon... I use carbon poles for touring but I protect em with my life. They're great and needed for huge day trips. But I bring duct-tape and a pole insert, etc. If you hit carbon with your knee while it's planted you get to hear a "pop!" Yet if you don't bend it and give it that fatal sharp blow it's supertough. When I first used carbon 20 years ago I broke a pole. I have maybe broken one more since then. Other ski racers break a pole every year. I've fallen maybe 100 times with my best poles and they're still fine! (Praise be!). Still, I know how to fall -- I sacrifice my body, kinda. Also, there's a way to lift/swing a pole when you're falling on it to PIVOT it out of the way instead of LEVERING it. It's a lot like clearing a slalom gate. I do stay aware when skiing in settings where there might be pole entrapment in brush -- then I'll just not plant em. G'luck! --JP outyourbackdoor.com I guess I will just stick with my alum poles. I am always getting them hung in brush, or half stuck in frozen mud that grabs a pole out of my hand (sometimes pulling the handle off!). Not so much falling on them (don't fall so much anymore!) Is there a lot of difference in non-metal materials (carbon,graphite, fiberglass, etc), or is it really the epoxy/resin that is so fragile? gr metals are pliable unlike plastics and fibers. If you bend an Al pole you just bend it right back against your knee. I have no trust in carbon in the wilderness (as well as up in the sky as in the new Boeing dreamliner). I don't fall much either but you just never know. |
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On Dec 22 2010, 1:03*am, "
wrote: On Dec 5, 1:20*pm, gr wrote: On 12/1/2010 9:11 AM, Jeff Potter wrote: On Nov 20, 10:58 pm, *wrote: So today I actually compared alum poles to some low end graphite and they really are a lot *lighter! But for touring in the woods where poles get stuck on things occasionally, or fallen onto, are graphites really strong enough or are they prone to breakage (instead of bending like alum)? Knock on carbon... I use carbon poles for touring but I protect em with my life. They're great and needed for huge day trips. But I bring duct-tape and a pole insert, etc. If you hit carbon with your knee while it's planted you get to hear a "pop!" Yet if you don't bend it and give it that fatal sharp blow it's supertough. When I first used carbon 20 years ago I broke a pole. I have maybe broken one more since then. Other ski racers break a pole every year. I've fallen maybe 100 times with my best poles and they're still fine! (Praise be!). Still, I know how to fall -- I sacrifice my body, kinda. Also, there's a way to lift/swing a pole when you're falling on it to PIVOT it out of the way instead of LEVERING it. It's a lot like clearing a slalom gate. I do stay aware when skiing in settings where there might be pole entrapment in brush -- then I'll just not plant em. G'luck! --JP outyourbackdoor.com I guess I will just stick with my alum poles. I am always getting them hung in brush, or half stuck in frozen mud that grabs a pole out of my hand (sometimes pulling the handle off!). Not so much falling on them (don't fall so much anymore!) Is there a lot of difference in non-metal materials (carbon,graphite, fiberglass, etc), or is it really the epoxy/resin that is so fragile? gr metals are pliable unlike plastics and fibers. If you bend an Al pole you just bend it right back against your knee. I have no trust in carbon in the wilderness (as well as up in the sky as in the new Boeing dreamliner). I don't fall much either but you just never know. Lightweight aluminum alloys aren't all that plastic. If you bend an aluminum pole out in the woods, it's best not to try straightening it until you get home. A lot of times they'll bend once, but snap on the way back. |
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On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 07:05:12 -0800 (PST), Art
wrote: On Dec 22 2010, 1:03*am, " wrote: On Dec 5, 1:20*pm, gr wrote: On 12/1/2010 9:11 AM, Jeff Potter wrote: On Nov 20, 10:58 pm, *wrote: So today I actually compared alum poles to some low end graphite and they really are a lot *lighter! But for touring in the woods where poles get stuck on things occasionally, or fallen onto, are graphites really strong enough or are they prone to breakage (instead of bending like alum)? Knock on carbon... I use carbon poles for touring but I protect em with my life. They're great and needed for huge day trips. But I bring duct-tape and a pole insert, etc. If you hit carbon with your knee while it's planted you get to hear a "pop!" Yet if you don't bend it and give it that fatal sharp blow it's supertough. When I first used carbon 20 years ago I broke a pole. I have maybe broken one more since then. Other ski racers break a pole every year. I've fallen maybe 100 times with my best poles and they're still fine! (Praise be!). Still, I know how to fall -- I sacrifice my body, kinda. Also, there's a way to lift/swing a pole when you're falling on it to PIVOT it out of the way instead of LEVERING it. It's a lot like clearing a slalom gate. I do stay aware when skiing in settings where there might be pole entrapment in brush -- then I'll just not plant em. G'luck! --JP outyourbackdoor.com I guess I will just stick with my alum poles. I am always getting them hung in brush, or half stuck in frozen mud that grabs a pole out of my hand (sometimes pulling the handle off!). Not so much falling on them (don't fall so much anymore!) Is there a lot of difference in non-metal materials (carbon,graphite, fiberglass, etc), or is it really the epoxy/resin that is so fragile? gr metals are pliable unlike plastics and fibers. If you bend an Al pole you just bend it right back against your knee. I have no trust in carbon in the wilderness (as well as up in the sky as in the new Boeing dreamliner). I don't fall much either but you just never know. Lightweight aluminum alloys aren't all that plastic. If you bend an aluminum pole out in the woods, it's best not to try straightening it until you get home. A lot of times they'll bend once, but snap on the way back. This has happened to me w aluminum poles while skiing I also bent and broke one as a wading staff while fishing Fred |
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On Jan 1, 12:00*pm, flebow wrote:
On Sat, 1 Jan 2011 07:05:12 -0800 (PST), Art wrote: On Dec 22 2010, 1:03*am, " wrote: On Dec 5, 1:20*pm, gr wrote: On 12/1/2010 9:11 AM, Jeff Potter wrote: On Nov 20, 10:58 pm, *wrote: So today I actually compared alum poles to some low end graphite and they really are a lot *lighter! But for touring in the woods where poles get stuck on things occasionally, or fallen onto, are graphites really strong enough or are they prone to breakage (instead of bending like alum)? Knock on carbon... I use carbon poles for touring but I protect em with my life. They're great and needed for huge day trips. But I bring duct-tape and a pole insert, etc. If you hit carbon with your knee while it's planted you get to hear a "pop!" Yet if you don't bend it and give it that fatal sharp blow it's supertough. When I first used carbon 20 years ago I broke a pole. I have maybe broken one more since then. Other ski racers break a pole every year. I've fallen maybe 100 times with my best poles and they're still fine! (Praise be!). Still, I know how to fall -- I sacrifice my body, kinda. Also, there's a way to lift/swing a pole when you're falling on it to PIVOT it out of the way instead of LEVERING it. It's a lot like clearing a slalom gate.. I do stay aware when skiing in settings where there might be pole entrapment in brush -- then I'll just not plant em. G'luck! --JP outyourbackdoor.com I guess I will just stick with my alum poles. I am always getting them hung in brush, or half stuck in frozen mud that grabs a pole out of my hand (sometimes pulling the handle off!). Not so much falling on them (don't fall so much anymore!) Is there a lot of difference in non-metal materials (carbon,graphite, fiberglass, etc), or is it really the epoxy/resin that is so fragile? gr metals are pliable unlike plastics and fibers. If you bend an Al pole you just bend it right back against your knee. I have no trust in carbon in the wilderness (as well as up in the sky as in the new Boeing dreamliner). I don't fall much either but you just never know. Lightweight aluminum alloys aren't all that plastic. *If you bend an aluminum pole out in the woods, it's best not to try straightening it until you get home. *A lot of times they'll bend once, but snap on the way back. This has happened to me w aluminum poles while skiing I also bent and broke one as a wading staff while fishing Fred My Al poles made for skiing (Rossi's) went through several bend- straightening cycles. As for walking staffs I only use Ti since those see way more abuse than ski poles. Very easy to make, too (got a 1" OD Ti pipe on ebay for ~$100 and wrapped with bike handlebar tape). |
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