Is Jacques Rogge a racist?

Remember how Rogge complained at the Beijing Games about how Usain
Bolt celebrated in the 100M before he crossed the finish line? Well I
have seen several cross-country skiers during these games celebrate
before they crossed the finish line. If you don't believe me, here's
one report of it in the media:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/02/25/AR201...

"Entering the ski stadium at Whistler with a massive lead, she had
enough time to veer to the side to pick up a Norwegian flag and then
ski down the final straight using just one pole."

Wow, she actually went over to the crowd to pick up a flag, BEFORE she
crossed the finish line? OUTRAGEOUS! But then why haven't we heard
anything from Jacques Rogge?

Hmm, I did notice that none of the cross-country skiers were black...

Just wondering, what is racist about it?

Usain Bolt is black, if you didn't know.

Just like Michael Jackson?

With Usain Bolt is it that he celebrated before the finish line and in a
way, degrating the others (personally I think he should have taken a cup of
coffee). And I believe that Rogge was talking about that. But there is a way
to find out if he does though, in the next Winter Olympics in Russia, let
there be a cross country team from Kenia and let them win. Also let them
catch a flag a mile before the finish line and celebrate. If there is a
comment from Rogge about that, there is to think about.

Arnold

On Feb 27, 8:09*pm, "Arnold" wrote:

snip

But there is a way
to find out if he does though, in the next Winter Olympics in Russia, let
there be a cross country team from Kenia and let them win. Also let them
catch a flag a mile before the finish line and celebrate. If there is a
comment from Rogge about that, there is to think about.

Kenya? Cross country team in the winter olympics?

Are you talking about track and field?

Well, Rogge did think Bolt's gesture was important, and he wasn't
alone. If Bjoergen or Northug had pounded their chests or done
something similar in the last meters, I'm sure something would have
been said. That's why your specific claim of racism remains
unsubstantiated: you're comparing an individual demonstration with a
national patriotic act of celebration. I would say the Canadian women's
celebration was no big deal either, since it occurred well after the
game was over and after much (or all?) of the crowd had left. Plus,
they are hockey players after all. Finally, neither you nor I know
what passed between the IOC and US Olympic Committee about Lago. I
wouldn't be surprised if they talked informally, with no one admitting
the contact so to allow the US reps to handle it discreetly. But they
didn't have to talk: from experience with IOC, the US members are well
trained.

Gene

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:55:55 -0800 (PST)
NB wrote:

On Feb 27, 2:16*am, wrote:
While I wouldn't be surprised if Rogge is a racist, I think your
comparison needs better evidence to make it stick. Bolt's
celebration at Beijing was slapping his own chest before the finish
line. Rogge called Bolt's action disrespectful. And it was, whether
Bolt intended it or was just being exuberantly insensitive.

I don't think slapping his chest was a big deal. That situation was
all a joke anyway. I guess Rogge wanted to create a controversy to
draw attention away from the fact that China had broke all the
promises that they made to get the games. Now those broken promises
from China - that was definitely disrespectful, and Rogge was too much
of a coward to say anything about it.

*But so what? *To me, it falls in the same category as the Canadian
women's hockey team popping
champagne in the arena 30 minutes after the awards were over,

That celebration by the Canadian women's hockey team was way worse
than any premature celebration by the cross country skiers or Usain
Bolt. And Jacques Rogge couldn't be bothered to strongly denounce
it? Instead he had one of his subordinates issue a weak statement
about how they would "investigate" the incident. What is there to
investigate? It happened out on the ice for everyone to see. I
noticed that none of the players on the Canadian women's hockey team
are black, hmm......

or Scotty Lago getting caught on camera in some risque poses.

As far as I know the IOC never commented on that. It was the US team
that pressured him to go home.

*The IOC's
leadership has long embodied social-political conservativism. *For
example, former IOC president Samaranch was a supporter of the
(clerical-fascist) Franco regime in Spain and American Avery
Brundage took the medals away from Tommy Smith and John Carlos for
the black power salute. *Plus, the IOC doesn't want to see any
behavior that might upset the commercial coporate applecart that
they've come to depend on financially. *In the case of Bjoergen
(and others) grabbing a flag before the finish line, the Olympics
is all about feeding off of and building patriotism. *She was
merely exemplifying the true "Olympic spirit."

Gene

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:41:23 -0800 (PST)

NB wrote:
Remember how Rogge complained at the Beijing Games about how Usain
Bolt celebrated in the 100M before he crossed the finish line?
*Well I have seen several cross-country skiers during these games
celebrate before they crossed the finish line. *If you don't
believe me, here's one report of it in the media:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/02/25/AR201....

"Entering the ski stadium at Whistler with a massive lead, she had
enough time to veer to the side to pick up a Norwegian flag and
then ski down the final straight using just one pole."

Wow, she actually went over to the crowd to pick up a flag,
BEFORE she crossed the finish line? *OUTRAGEOUS! *But then why
haven't we heard anything from Jacques Rogge?

Hmm, I did notice that none of the cross-country skiers were
black...

On Feb 27, 8:42*pm, John Hurley wrote:
On Feb 27, 8:09*pm, "Arnold" wrote:

snip

But there is a way
to find out if he does though, in the next Winter Olympics in Russia, let
there be a cross country team from Kenia and let them win. Also let them
catch a flag a mile before the finish line and celebrate. If there is a
comment from Rogge about that, there is to think about.

Kenya? *Cross country team in the winter olympics?

Are you talking about track and field?

That guy's obviously trolling.

On Feb 28, 12:16*am, wrote:
Well, Rogge did think Bolt's gesture was important, and he wasn't
alone.

He wouldn't be the only racist in the world either.

If Bjoergen or Northug had pounded their chests or done
something similar in the last meters, I'm sure something would have
been said.

I have to think that going off your course, to run over to the crowd
to grab a flag, is much worse than slapping your chest while staying
on course.

That's why your specific claim of racism remains
unsubstantiated: you're comparing an individual demonstration with a
national patriotic act of celebration. I would say the Canadian women's
celebration was no big deal either, since it occurred well after the
game was over and after much (or all?) of the crowd had left. *

It was a big deal enough for the IOC to say something about it, even
if it was a weak statement. And it was still taped and replayed for
the world to see.

Plus,
they are hockey players after all.

Hockey players are the only people who like to drink?

*Finally, neither you nor I know
what passed between the IOC and US Olympic Committee about Lago. *I
wouldn't be surprised if they talked informally, with no one admitting
the contact so to allow the US reps to handle it discreetly. But they
didn't have to talk: from experience with IOC, the US members are well
trained. *

Gene

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 12:55:55 -0800 (PST)

NB wrote:
On Feb 27, 2:16*am, wrote:
While I wouldn't be surprised if Rogge is a racist, I think your
comparison needs better evidence to make it stick. Bolt's
celebration at Beijing was slapping his own chest before the finish
line. Rogge called Bolt's action disrespectful. And it was, whether
Bolt intended it or was just being exuberantly insensitive.

I don't think slapping his chest was a big deal. *That situation was
all a joke anyway. *I guess Rogge wanted to create a controversy to
draw attention away from the fact that China had broke all the
promises that they made to get the games. *Now those broken promises
from China - that was definitely disrespectful, and Rogge was too much
of a coward to say anything about it.

*But so what? *To me, it falls in the same category as the Canadian
women's hockey team popping
champagne in the arena 30 minutes after the awards were over,

That celebration by the Canadian women's hockey team was way worse
than any premature celebration by the cross country skiers or Usain
Bolt. *And Jacques Rogge couldn't be bothered to strongly denounce
it? *Instead he had one of his subordinates issue a weak statement
about how they would "investigate" the incident. *What is there to
investigate? *It happened out on the ice for everyone to see. *I
noticed that none of the players on the Canadian women's hockey team
are black, hmm......

or Scotty Lago getting caught on camera in some risque poses.

As far as I know the IOC never commented on that. *It was the US team
that pressured him to go home.

*The IOC's
leadership has long embodied social-political conservativism. *For
example, former IOC president Samaranch was a supporter of the
(clerical-fascist) Franco regime in Spain and American Avery
Brundage took the medals away from Tommy Smith and John Carlos for
the black power salute. *Plus, the IOC doesn't want to see any
behavior that might upset the commercial coporate applecart that
they've come to depend on financially. *In the case of Bjoergen
(and others) grabbing a flag before the finish line, the Olympics
is all about feeding off of and building patriotism. *She was
merely exemplifying the true "Olympic spirit."

Gene

On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:41:23 -0800 (PST)

NB wrote:
Remember how Rogge complained at the Beijing Games about how Usain
Bolt celebrated in the 100M before he crossed the finish line?
*Well I have seen several cross-country skiers during these games
celebrate before they crossed the finish line. *If you don't
believe me, here's one report of it in the media:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...10/02/25/AR201...

"Entering the ski stadium at Whistler with a massive lead, she had
enough time to veer to the side to pick up a Norwegian flag and
then ski down the final straight using just one pole."

Wow, she actually went over to the crowd to pick up a flag,
BEFORE she crossed the finish line? *OUTRAGEOUS! *But then why
haven't we heard anything from Jacques Rogge?

Hmm, I did notice that none of the cross-country skiers were
black...

On Feb 28, 2:49*pm, NB wrote:

snip

But there is a way
to find out if he does though, in the next Winter Olympics in Russia, let
there be a cross country team from Kenia and let them win. Also let them
catch a flag a mile before the finish line and celebrate. If there is a
comment from Rogge about that, there is to think about.

Kenya? *Cross country team in the winter olympics?

Are you talking about track and field?

That guy's obviously trolling.

You guys keep cross posting to rec running ... no need to do that.

snip

But there is a way
to find out if he does though, in the next Winter Olympics in Russia,
let
there be a cross country team from Kenia and let them win. Also let
them
catch a flag a mile before the finish line and celebrate. If there is a
comment from Rogge about that, there is to think about.

Kenya? Cross country team in the winter olympics?

Are you talking about track and field?

That guy's obviously trolling.

Well, there was a guy from Africa competing int the Vancouver Games in the
slalom I believe. So I guess I am not that far off.

Arnold