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Glue for Swix pole handles ?
Anyone got a recommendation for glue to fix the handles back onto a set of
Swix Mountain poles ? These are plain aluminium poles with a sued-like grip (may be synthetic) over an under-grip. Its a long story about post office loosing poles, but the result is that I have a set which are too long and no options for a set the correct length from the supplier. The supplying shop has recommended removing the handles by immersion in very hot water to soften the glue, then cutting pole down with a pipe cutter. All stuff I can do technically. But, what to stick them back with ? The shop hasn't been totally helpful (suspect that adhesive technology might not be a strong point) and suggested things including PVA wood glue, Cynoacrylics (superglue), Epoxy resin (araldite). These are all somewhat different adhesives. Anyone know what one should use before I start the operation ? I'll see if Swix respond to an email enquiry about glue. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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Nigel Cliffe wrote:
: But, what to stick them back with ? The shop hasn't been totally helpful : (suspect that adhesive technology might not be a strong point) and suggested : things including PVA wood glue, Cynoacrylics (superglue), Epoxy resin : (araldite). These are all somewhat different adhesives. there's stuff called gorilla glue that will do the job, that's a brand name. 1 part wood glue (PVA? dunno.) that's waterproof. or go with the 2part epoxy resin. the superglue i think you'll find becomes brittle, and will give out in he cold. |
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Matt wrote:
Nigel Cliffe wrote: : But, what to stick them back with ? The shop hasn't been totally helpful : (suspect that adhesive technology might not be a strong point) and suggested : things including PVA wood glue, Cynoacrylics (superglue), Epoxy resin : (araldite). These are all somewhat different adhesives. there's stuff called gorilla glue that will do the job, that's a brand name. 1 part wood glue (PVA? dunno.) that's waterproof. or go with the 2part epoxy resin. the superglue i think you'll find becomes brittle, and will give out in he cold. I would also highly recommend Gorilla Glue but: be aware that the stuff expands as it hardens. Yes, hardens. It's basically a two-part mixture like epoxy, the basis is urethane and the second part of the mixture is moisture in the air. For that reason buy the smallest quantity that you can because shelf-life is limited after opening. If the stuff squeezes out, the only way to clean it off after hardening is by cutting or grinding. There is no solvent for the hardened stuff. That, of course, is why it is so great. Also, it stays somewhat flexible after hardening. Good for retreading sandals and the like. |
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VtSkier wrote:
Matt wrote: Nigel Cliffe wrote: But, what to stick them back with ? The shop hasn't been totally helpful (suspect that adhesive technology might not be a strong point) and suggested things including PVA wood glue, Cynoacrylics (superglue), Epoxy resin (araldite). These are all somewhat different adhesives. there's stuff called gorilla glue that will do the job, that's a brand name. 1 part wood glue (PVA? dunno.) that's waterproof. or go with the 2part epoxy resin. the superglue i think you'll find becomes brittle, and will give out in he cold. I would also highly recommend Gorilla Glue but: be aware that the stuff expands as it hardens. Yes, hardens. It's basically a two-part mixture like epoxy, the basis is urethane and the second part of the mixture is moisture in the air. For that reason buy the smallest quantity that you can because shelf-life is limited after opening. If the stuff squeezes out, the only way to clean it off after hardening is by cutting or grinding. There is no solvent for the hardened stuff. That, of course, is why it is so great. Also, it stays somewhat flexible after hardening. Good for retreading sandals and the like. Thanks. Sounds a possible, but with a "use only a tiny amount" caution. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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If the handle can be unbonded by heat (i.e. hot water), it is probably
glued using ferrule cement or glue. Pole ferrule glue is applied by heating the glue and applying to the stick. Replace the grip, properly positioned, before it hardens as it cools. Same process for replacing backet/ferrules. A full service ski shop should have furrule glue. To remove, heat as you have been instructed, You do not need to add new glue except where you cut the glued section of the stick off. Edgar |
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Edgar wrote:
If the handle can be unbonded by heat (i.e. hot water), it is probably glued using ferrule cement or glue. Pole ferrule glue is applied by heating the glue and applying to the stick. Replace the grip, properly positioned, before it hardens as it cools. Same process for replacing backet/ferrules. A full service ski shop should have furrule glue. Thanks. Only problem is ski shop. I live where it doesn't snow, so the only ski shops are when I travel away to snowy areas. I think the rest of the thread is starting to get me to an answer. To remove, heat as you have been instructed, You do not need to add new glue except where you cut the glued section of the stick off. -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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Edgar wrote:
If the handle can be unbonded by heat (i.e. hot water), it is probably glued using ferrule cement or glue. Pole ferrule glue is applied by heating the glue and applying to the stick. Replace the grip, properly positioned, before it hardens as it cools. Same process for replacing backet/ferrules. A full service ski shop should have furrule glue. To remove, heat as you have been instructed, You do not need to add new glue except where you cut the glued section of the stick off. Edgar Why not hot melt glue used for crafts and various fixits? gr |
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gr wrote:
Edgar wrote: If the handle can be unbonded by heat (i.e. hot water), it is probably glued using ferrule cement or glue. Pole ferrule glue is applied by heating the glue and applying to the stick. Replace the grip, properly positioned, before it hardens as it cools. Same process for replacing backet/ferrules. A full service ski shop should have furrule glue. To remove, heat as you have been instructed, You do not need to add new glue except where you cut the glued section of the stick off. Edgar Why not hot melt glue used for crafts and various fixits? gr Good question re craft type hot melt glue. The answer will depend on the temperature needed to soften or unbond the glue. Ferrule glue for poles seems to unbond at a temperature below 100C (boiling point of water at normal pressure). The handles or baskets/ferrules can be unbonded by heating the pole in boiling water, or with care, by a hot air gun. At 100C, the heat does not seem to damage the plastic of the baskets or handle, or the resin of carbon fiber poles. So, the question is what temperature does craft glue need to be heated to to unbond the glue and will that temparture (heat input) damage a resin-fiber pole shaft, plastic ferrule/basket, or the grip? Of course, if you never need to redo the grip or ferrule, then any good waterpoof adhesive will work. Edgar |
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Edgar wrote:
gr wrote: Edgar wrote: If the handle can be unbonded by heat (i.e. hot water), it is probably glued using ferrule cement or glue. Pole ferrule glue is applied by heating the glue and applying to the stick. Replace the grip, properly positioned, before it hardens as it cools. Same process for replacing backet/ferrules. A full service ski shop should have furrule glue. To remove, heat as you have been instructed, You do not need to add new glue except where you cut the glued section of the stick off. Edgar Why not hot melt glue used for crafts and various fixits? gr Good question re craft type hot melt glue. The answer will depend on the temperature needed to soften or unbond the glue. To which the answer seems to be 170-200C for most hot-glues. There are some "low temperature" types, but they are around 120C. Ferrule glue for poles seems to unbond at a temperature below 100C (boiling point of water at normal pressure). The handles or baskets/ferrules can be unbonded by heating the pole in boiling water, Something I'd be keen to be able to do if required. The leather handle can go inside a high temperature plastic bag (grocery store for cooking purposes), and then be dumped in a pan of boiling water. The handle gets hot, but the leather doesn't get a soaking. air gun. At 100C, the heat does not seem to damage the plastic of the baskets or handle, or the resin of carbon fiber poles. So, the question is what temperature does craft glue need to be heated to to unbond the glue and will that temparture (heat input) damage a resin-fiber pole shaft, plastic ferrule/basket, or the grip? Ferule glue looks like the best idea on the table so far. Possibly its Shellac under a different name ? Its getting a bit late for googling here, but I'll look up Shellac properties another day. - Nigel -- Nigel Cliffe, Webmaster at http://www.2mm.org.uk/ |
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We cut poles down all the time, and don't use glue. The handle is tight
and usually stays on fine. If, when your done and the handle is loose, take it back off and use epoxy... |
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