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wax help - Noque
Classic 50k race.
Conditions. Warm week melted a lot of snow then rain. Since then it has refrozen solid ice with about 2 inches of new fresh cold snow on top - low humidity. Several lake crossings with ice that may strip kick wax right off. Race temp? probably 8deg F (-13C) warming to 12F (-11C) Glide wax? not a problem - LF 4 or start green or rex green. Kick wax???????????? Go too warm trying to get kick on icy sections and you ice up from the new snow. wax for the new snow and you'll be slipping where they've ground up ice in with it. ?? JKal. |
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wax help - Noque
On Jan 27, 4:54*pm, "Jeff and Stephanie Kalember"
wrote: Classic 50k race. Conditions. *Warm week melted a lot of snow then rain. *Since then it has refrozen solid ice with about 2 inches of new fresh cold snow on top - low humidity. *Several lake crossings with ice that may strip kick wax right off. *Race temp? *probably 8deg F (-13C) warming to 12F (-11C) Glide wax? not a problem - LF 4 or start green or rex green. Kick wax???????????? *Go too warm trying to get kick on icy sections and you ice up from the new snow. *wax for the new snow and you'll be slipping where they've ground up ice in with it. ?? JKal. Hairies? |
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wax help - Noque
totally not brave enough to try hairies.
wrote in message ... On Jan 27, 4:54 pm, "Jeff and Stephanie Kalember" wrote: Classic 50k race. Conditions. Warm week melted a lot of snow then rain. Since then it has refrozen solid ice with about 2 inches of new fresh cold snow on top - low humidity. Several lake crossings with ice that may strip kick wax right off. Race temp? probably 8deg F (-13C) warming to 12F (-11C) Glide wax? not a problem - LF 4 or start green or rex green. Kick wax???????????? Go too warm trying to get kick on icy sections and you ice up from the new snow. wax for the new snow and you'll be slipping where they've ground up ice in with it. ?? JKal. Hairies? |
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wax help - Noque
I don't think hairies would be a good idea for 2 reasons. One, the
icy stretches you'll have no kick at all. Two, I suspect unless you're at the front, the tracks will get packed and glazed fairly quickly. These are tough conditions. Generally, hairies work best only if you have falling snow, or just fallen snow. At these cold temps, though, even in that scenario they probably wouldn't work well. These are conditions where a klister binder with hard wax over the top works well. This is much easier to apply than applying the infamous hard wax over klister (peanut butter over jelly). Iron in the klister binder, let it cool, then easily apply the hard wax over the top. SkiGo HF purple would probably be ideal, but Swix VR30-35 would work well too. Or just wax for the hills and double pole everything else that's icy!! |
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wax help - Noque
On Jan 27, 6:53*pm, MT Nordic wrote:
I don't think hairies would be a good idea for 2 reasons. *One, the icy stretches you'll have no kick at all. *Two, I suspect unless you're at the front, the tracks will get packed and glazed fairly quickly. *These are tough conditions. *Generally, hairies work best only if you have falling snow, or just fallen snow. *At these cold temps, though, even in that scenario they probably wouldn't work well. *These are conditions where a klister binder with hard wax over the top works well. *This is much easier to apply than applying the infamous hard wax over klister (peanut butter over jelly). *Iron in the klister binder, let it cool, then easily apply the hard wax over the top. *SkiGo HF purple would probably be ideal, but Swix VR30-35 would work well too. *Or just wax for the hills and double pole everything else that's icy!! Ski selection is part of the equation. Hard wax over a klister binder would also call for a ski with a klister camber to protect the grip wax. I used SkiGo Universal over a green klister binder with pretty cold temperatures on old fine grained snow during last year's Canadian Berkie. My skis has a fairly low half weight camber height (0.35mm) with a soft finish. The hard wax and binder were stripped from the back half of the grip zone by 35-40 km. Edgar |
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wax help - Noque
MT Nordic wrote:
I don't think hairies would be a good idea for 2 reasons. One, the icy stretches you'll have no kick at all. Two, I suspect unless you're at the front, the tracks will get packed and glazed fairly quickly. These are tough conditions. Generally, hairies work best only if you have falling snow, or just fallen snow. At these cold temps, though, even in that scenario they probably wouldn't work well. These are conditions where a klister binder with hard wax over the top works well. This is much easier to apply than applying the infamous hard wax over klister (peanut butter over jelly). Iron in the klister binder, let it cool, then easily apply the hard wax over That sounds like a very good suggestion. the top. SkiGo HF purple would probably be ideal, but Swix VR30-35 would work well too. Or just wax for the hills and double pole everything else that's icy!! This was my initial idea, using a pair of stiff klister skis so that the waxpocket will stay mostly off the ice when DP'en pastthe icy but flat areas. You would probably DP those even with no ice, right? Terje -- - Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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wax help - Noque
On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:54:22 -0500
"Jeff and Stephanie Kalember" wrote: Classic 50k race. Conditions. Warm week melted a lot of snow then rain. Since then it has refrozen solid ice with about 2 inches of new fresh cold snow on top - low humidity. Several lake crossings with ice that may strip kick wax right off. Race temp? probably 8deg F (-13C) warming to 12F (-11C) For those not on the Ski Post list: KICK-DOUBLE POLE IS YOUR FRIEND! By Andrew Johnson 2010 Noquemanon Champion This past weekend I was fortunate enough to ski in the Noquemanon Ski Marathon in Marquette, MI. If you have not yet had the opportunity to ski this race, and you have a propensity for long ski races, you should put this event on your calendar for next season. The terrain, excellent snow, technical and demanding trails, and the one-of-a-kind U.P. scenery all combine to create a memorable weekend. This year's Noque featured some transformed, cold, and very abrasive snow. The tracks were perfect and the skiing was fast, but once we started racing it was no secret that maintaining kick throughout the entire race was going to be nearly impossible. Even with Toko Base Green Klister binder, the talk in the front pack of the race was all about how long our kick would last. Fortunately, most of the climbing on the Noque course happens in the first 25 kilometers of the race, and the second half of the course is much flatter, with significant elevation loss. It's quite possible to double pole almost all of the second half of the race (if you have to!), making good classic kick a little less important. Between the sections of climbing during the first half of the race, there is quite a bit of really nice rolling and gradual terrain. I noticed in our lead pack of 15-or-so skiers that the technique of choice was to double pole as much terrain as possible. I understand this, as I feel that it's relatively easy to get into a double-pole "groove" and find a good rhythm. Double-poling as long as possible, switching to a stride for the steep sections, and going straight back to double-pole is, to most people, the best way to get to the finish line as fast as possible. However, once our lead pack settled into a relaxed and consistent pace, I noticed that I could kick-double pole many of the flatter sections much easier than I could double-pole. Knowing that the second half of the race was going to provide plenty of opportunity for double-poling, I figured it was best in the early going to kick-double pole as much as possible and save my double-pole energies for later - particularly since most of the other racers seemed to be double-poling exclusively. Using a relaxed, long, and fluid technique, the kick-double pole allowed me to ski at a lower intensity, save my arms and core for later in the race, and let my legs to do some light work and clear some lactate. For longer races and marathons where there is likely to be more gradual terrain than most 10 or 15K races, the kick-double pole is an often under-utilized technique. It is difficult to master the kick-double pole to the point where it can be an efficient and, more importantly, relaxed technique; I've know many very good skiers who have never developed a really solid kick-double pole in their careers. But it's worth working on and adding to your arsenal of effective techniques. I have spent a lot of time in the past, during the summer and fall, doing upper-body specific strength workouts on rollerskis. A significant component of these workouts is doing 30 second kick-double pole repeats on both gradual and steeper hills. I concentrate on a long glide, a high position at the start of the downward compression, and fast, powerful motions in both the upper-body compression and kick initiation. Kick-double pole is your friend. Learn it, and utilize it, to maximize your racing potential! Oh, and put the Noque on your race calendar for next season - you won't regret it! |
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wax help - Noque
Thanks for that Gene, where did you pick it up?
I was in the same boat, lost kick about 25-27k into the race. Double poled a lot the second half. good day overall though, enjoyed it all. Jkal. wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:54:22 -0500 "Jeff and Stephanie Kalember" wrote: Classic 50k race. Conditions. Warm week melted a lot of snow then rain. Since then it has refrozen solid ice with about 2 inches of new fresh cold snow on top - low humidity. Several lake crossings with ice that may strip kick wax right off. Race temp? probably 8deg F (-13C) warming to 12F (-11C) For those not on the Ski Post list: KICK-DOUBLE POLE IS YOUR FRIEND! By Andrew Johnson 2010 Noquemanon Champion This past weekend I was fortunate enough to ski in the Noquemanon Ski Marathon in Marquette, MI. If you have not yet had the opportunity to ski this race, and you have a propensity for long ski races, you should put this event on your calendar for next season. The terrain, excellent snow, technical and demanding trails, and the one-of-a-kind U.P. scenery all combine to create a memorable weekend. This year's Noque featured some transformed, cold, and very abrasive snow. The tracks were perfect and the skiing was fast, but once we started racing it was no secret that maintaining kick throughout the entire race was going to be nearly impossible. Even with Toko Base Green Klister binder, the talk in the front pack of the race was all about how long our kick would last. Fortunately, most of the climbing on the Noque course happens in the first 25 kilometers of the race, and the second half of the course is much flatter, with significant elevation loss. It's quite possible to double pole almost all of the second half of the race (if you have to!), making good classic kick a little less important. Between the sections of climbing during the first half of the race, there is quite a bit of really nice rolling and gradual terrain. I noticed in our lead pack of 15-or-so skiers that the technique of choice was to double pole as much terrain as possible. I understand this, as I feel that it's relatively easy to get into a double-pole "groove" and find a good rhythm. Double-poling as long as possible, switching to a stride for the steep sections, and going straight back to double-pole is, to most people, the best way to get to the finish line as fast as possible. However, once our lead pack settled into a relaxed and consistent pace, I noticed that I could kick-double pole many of the flatter sections much easier than I could double-pole. Knowing that the second half of the race was going to provide plenty of opportunity for double-poling, I figured it was best in the early going to kick-double pole as much as possible and save my double-pole energies for later - particularly since most of the other racers seemed to be double-poling exclusively. Using a relaxed, long, and fluid technique, the kick-double pole allowed me to ski at a lower intensity, save my arms and core for later in the race, and let my legs to do some light work and clear some lactate. For longer races and marathons where there is likely to be more gradual terrain than most 10 or 15K races, the kick-double pole is an often under-utilized technique. It is difficult to master the kick-double pole to the point where it can be an efficient and, more importantly, relaxed technique; I've know many very good skiers who have never developed a really solid kick-double pole in their careers. But it's worth working on and adding to your arsenal of effective techniques. I have spent a lot of time in the past, during the summer and fall, doing upper-body specific strength workouts on rollerskis. A significant component of these workouts is doing 30 second kick-double pole repeats on both gradual and steeper hills. I concentrate on a long glide, a high position at the start of the downward compression, and fast, powerful motions in both the upper-body compression and kick initiation. Kick-double pole is your friend. Learn it, and utilize it, to maximize your racing potential! Oh, and put the Noque on your race calendar for next season - you won't regret it! |
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wax help - Noque
I thought it came from a Ski Post sometime between the Jan 7 and Jan 28
issues, but can't find it now. Gene On Sun, 7 Feb 2010 21:06:19 -0500 "Jeff and Stephanie Kalember" wrote: Thanks for that Gene, where did you pick it up? I was in the same boat, lost kick about 25-27k into the race. Double poled a lot the second half. good day overall though, enjoyed it all. Jkal. wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:54:22 -0500 "Jeff and Stephanie Kalember" wrote: Classic 50k race. Conditions. Warm week melted a lot of snow then rain. Since then it has refrozen solid ice with about 2 inches of new fresh cold snow on top - low humidity. Several lake crossings with ice that may strip kick wax right off. Race temp? probably 8deg F (-13C) warming to 12F (-11C) For those not on the Ski Post list: KICK-DOUBLE POLE IS YOUR FRIEND! By Andrew Johnson 2010 Noquemanon Champion This past weekend I was fortunate enough to ski in the Noquemanon Ski Marathon in Marquette, MI. If you have not yet had the opportunity to ski this race, and you have a propensity for long ski races, you should put this event on your calendar for next season. The terrain, excellent snow, technical and demanding trails, and the one-of-a-kind U.P. scenery all combine to create a memorable weekend. This year's Noque featured some transformed, cold, and very abrasive snow. The tracks were perfect and the skiing was fast, but once we started racing it was no secret that maintaining kick throughout the entire race was going to be nearly impossible. Even with Toko Base Green Klister binder, the talk in the front pack of the race was all about how long our kick would last. Fortunately, most of the climbing on the Noque course happens in the first 25 kilometers of the race, and the second half of the course is much flatter, with significant elevation loss. It's quite possible to double pole almost all of the second half of the race (if you have to!), making good classic kick a little less important. Between the sections of climbing during the first half of the race, there is quite a bit of really nice rolling and gradual terrain. I noticed in our lead pack of 15-or-so skiers that the technique of choice was to double pole as much terrain as possible. I understand this, as I feel that it's relatively easy to get into a double-pole "groove" and find a good rhythm. Double-poling as long as possible, switching to a stride for the steep sections, and going straight back to double-pole is, to most people, the best way to get to the finish line as fast as possible. However, once our lead pack settled into a relaxed and consistent pace, I noticed that I could kick-double pole many of the flatter sections much easier than I could double-pole. Knowing that the second half of the race was going to provide plenty of opportunity for double-poling, I figured it was best in the early going to kick-double pole as much as possible and save my double-pole energies for later - particularly since most of the other racers seemed to be double-poling exclusively. Using a relaxed, long, and fluid technique, the kick-double pole allowed me to ski at a lower intensity, save my arms and core for later in the race, and let my legs to do some light work and clear some lactate. For longer races and marathons where there is likely to be more gradual terrain than most 10 or 15K races, the kick-double pole is an often under-utilized technique. It is difficult to master the kick-double pole to the point where it can be an efficient and, more importantly, relaxed technique; I've know many very good skiers who have never developed a really solid kick-double pole in their careers. But it's worth working on and adding to your arsenal of effective techniques. I have spent a lot of time in the past, during the summer and fall, doing upper-body specific strength workouts on rollerskis. A significant component of these workouts is doing 30 second kick-double pole repeats on both gradual and steeper hills. I concentrate on a long glide, a high position at the start of the downward compression, and fast, powerful motions in both the upper-body compression and kick initiation. Kick-double pole is your friend. Learn it, and utilize it, to maximize your racing potential! Oh, and put the Noque on your race calendar for next season - you won't regret it! |
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