Knee support recomendations?

On 10/05/2014 09:44 AM, Dick G wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT), Goober Jones
wrote:

Donjoy ski armor brace - bear in mind it needs to be sized correctly and it
comes in a left and right. It gives you all the mobility to flex your knees but is
absolutely rigid from side to side. I know professional bumpers that use them and
closely related derivatives are used by NFL players. The ski brace is a little shorter
top to bottom in order to accommodate ski boots.
Is this a custom brace? Where do you get them?

Last I heard it's not possible to make a brace tight enough to keep you
from injuring your knee from serious (bad fall, of course) forces.

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this brace is not light, it's made of an aluminum alloy and if
you fall hard enough to bend it then there are going to be a lot more
Issues than your knees. Seriously, I've had mine for several years although
Since I've lost weight, I need some new ones. Correct sizing is critical.

The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 09:44 AM, Dick G wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT), Goober Jones
wrote:

Donjoy ski armor brace - bear in mind it needs to be sized
correctly and it comes in a left and right. It gives you all the mobility
to flex
your knees but is absolutely rigid from side to side. I know
professional bumpers that use them and closely related derivatives
are used by NFL players. The ski brace is a little shorter top to
bottom in order to accommodate ski boots.
Is this a custom brace? Where do you get them?

Last I heard it's not possible to make a brace tight enough to keep
you from injuring your knee from serious (bad fall, of course) forces.

That what release bindings are for. Make sure they are loose enough to come off
before your knee gets hurt. Many people keep them, in my opinion, way too tight.

I set mine so I can twist out of them when I get to the lodge. If they fall off
on the hill, I'm not skiing right. I've never hurt my knee skiing.

The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 12:11 PM, Bob F wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 09:44 AM, Dick G wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT), Goober Jones
wrote:

Donjoy ski armor brace - bear in mind it needs to be sized
correctly and it comes in a left and right. It gives you all the
mobility to flex
your knees but is absolutely rigid from side to side. I know
professional bumpers that use them and closely related derivatives
are used by NFL players. The ski brace is a little shorter top to
bottom in order to accommodate ski boots.
Is this a custom brace? Where do you get them?

Last I heard it's not possible to make a brace tight enough to keep
you from injuring your knee from serious (bad fall, of course)
forces.

That what release bindings are for. Make sure they are loose enough
to come off before your knee gets hurt. Many people keep them, in my
opinion, way too tight. I set mine so I can twist out of them when I get to
the lodge. If
they fall off on the hill, I'm not skiing right. I've never hurt my
knee skiing.

The bindings prevent bone breakage, not necessarily damage to soft
tissue. I haven't been able to twist out of my bindings for a long
time, although I've been using 4.5 forever.

If they are set loose enough, they should be able to protect soft tissue also.
If you are getting weaker, maybe you should loosen them. I do not let corporate
manufacturer guidelines be my decider. What your body can take without problem
should be your max.


I have Atomic Xentrix 310 bindings (new ones, replacing the recalled
ones) set to 4.5 (the appropriate setting), but I took a nasty fall
last year wherein the binding did NOT release, tweaking my knee in
some invisible way (yeah, I had an MRI) that took a few months to
recover from. I keep meaning to go back to Sport Chalet and talk to
the guy about this...

NEVER happened with Markers. They always released when I thought they
should and never pre-released.

Mine are set at 5, for a reasonably healthy 165 lb guy. The last time I had
bindings set by a shop, I told them to set them for an absolute rookie, and they
were still too tight for my taste. They would not set them looser. I had to do
it.

On 10/05/2014 03:11 PM, Bob F wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 12:11 PM, Bob F wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 09:44 AM, Dick G wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT), Goober Jones
wrote:

Donjoy ski armor brace - bear in mind it needs to be sized
correctly and it comes in a left and right. It gives you all the
mobility to flex
your knees but is absolutely rigid from side to side. I know
professional bumpers that use them and closely related derivatives
are used by NFL players. The ski brace is a little shorter top to
bottom in order to accommodate ski boots.
Is this a custom brace? Where do you get them?

Last I heard it's not possible to make a brace tight enough to keep
you from injuring your knee from serious (bad fall, of course)
forces.

That what release bindings are for. Make sure they are loose enough
to come off before your knee gets hurt. Many people keep them, in my
opinion, way too tight. I set mine so I can twist out of them when I get to
the lodge. If
they fall off on the hill, I'm not skiing right. I've never hurt my
knee skiing.

The bindings prevent bone breakage, not necessarily damage to soft
tissue. I haven't been able to twist out of my bindings for a long
time, although I've been using 4.5 forever.

If they are set loose enough, they should be able to protect soft tissue also.
If you are getting weaker, maybe you should loosen them. I do not let corporate
manufacturer guidelines be my decider. What your body can take without problem
should be your max.

The curious thing is that since I've been doing weights I'm stronger now
than I ever was before, even when I was dirt-riding every weekend. I
wonder if binding technology has changed in some way in the last 30
years? Fewer slow low-pressure releases but more fast high-pressure
releases or something...

I have Atomic Xentrix 310 bindings (new ones, replacing the recalled
ones) set to 4.5 (the appropriate setting), but I took a nasty fall
last year wherein the binding did NOT release, tweaking my knee in
some invisible way (yeah, I had an MRI) that took a few months to
recover from. I keep meaning to go back to Sport Chalet and talk to
the guy about this...

NEVER happened with Markers. They always released when I thought they
should and never pre-released.

Mine are set at 5, for a reasonably healthy 165 lb guy. The last time I had
bindings set by a shop, I told them to set them for an absolute rookie, and they
were still too tight for my taste. They would not set them looser. I had to do
it.

I don't like to set them to close to the bottom setting, which is why I
havn't reset them already. Ponder...


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On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 15:11:04 -0700, "Bob F" wrote
this crap:


Mine are set at 5, for a reasonably healthy 165 lb guy. The last time I had
bindings set by a shop, I told them to set them for an absolute rookie, and they
were still too tight for my taste. They would not set them looser. I had to do
it.


Wuss. I adjust my own. I just crank them all the way up.

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On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 16:25:05 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote this crap:

Mine are set at 5, for a reasonably healthy 165 lb guy. The last time I had
bindings set by a shop, I told them to set them for an absolute rookie, and they
were still too tight for my taste. They would not set them looser. I had to do
it.

I don't like to set them to close to the bottom setting, which is why I
havn't reset them already. Ponder...

Wuss. I take a screwdriver, (easy on the orange juice,) and crank
them up as far as I can. That's the way a manly man skis.

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The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 03:11 PM, Bob F wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 12:11 PM, Bob F wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 09:44 AM, Dick G wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT), Goober Jones
wrote:

Donjoy ski armor brace - bear in mind it needs to be sized
correctly and it comes in a left and right. It gives you all
the mobility to flex
your knees but is absolutely rigid from side to side. I know
professional bumpers that use them and closely related
derivatives are used by NFL players. The ski brace is a little
shorter top to bottom in order to accommodate ski boots.
Is this a custom brace? Where do you get them?

Last I heard it's not possible to make a brace tight enough to
keep you from injuring your knee from serious (bad fall, of
course) forces.

That what release bindings are for. Make sure they are loose enough
to come off before your knee gets hurt. Many people keep them, in
my opinion, way too tight. I set mine so I can twist out of them
when I get to the lodge. If
they fall off on the hill, I'm not skiing right. I've never hurt my
knee skiing.

The bindings prevent bone breakage, not necessarily damage to soft
tissue. I haven't been able to twist out of my bindings for a long
time, although I've been using 4.5 forever.

If they are set loose enough, they should be able to protect soft
tissue also. If you are getting weaker, maybe you should loosen
them. I do not let corporate manufacturer guidelines be my decider.
What your body can take without problem should be your max.

The curious thing is that since I've been doing weights I'm stronger
now than I ever was before, even when I was dirt-riding every
weekend. I wonder if binding technology has changed in some way in
the last 30 years? Fewer slow low-pressure releases but more fast
high-pressure releases or something...

I have Atomic Xentrix 310 bindings (new ones, replacing the recalled
ones) set to 4.5 (the appropriate setting), but I took a nasty fall
last year wherein the binding did NOT release, tweaking my knee in
some invisible way (yeah, I had an MRI) that took a few months to
recover from. I keep meaning to go back to Sport Chalet and talk to
the guy about this...

NEVER happened with Markers. They always released when I thought
they should and never pre-released.

Mine are set at 5, for a reasonably healthy 165 lb guy. The last
time I had bindings set by a shop, I told them to set them for an
absolute rookie, and they were still too tight for my taste. They
would not set them looser. I had to do it.

I don't like to set them to close to the bottom setting, which is why
I havn't reset them already. Ponder...

Mine are always set near the bottom setting.

Try setting them low enough to twist out of them one at a time by twisting your
leg. Maybe start at the minimum. Then increase until you can't twist out. How
does that compare to your current setting? Then think about how much more you
want to go, if any, or even back off to where you can twist out.

On 10/05/2014 04:42 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 05 Oct 2014 16:25:05 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote this crap:

Mine are set at 5, for a reasonably healthy 165 lb guy. The last
time I had bindings set by a shop, I told them to set them for an
absolute rookie, and they were still too tight for my taste. They
would not set them looser. I had to do it.

I don't like to set them too close to the bottom setting, which is
why I havn't reset them already. Ponder...

Wuss. I take a screwdriver, (easy on the orange juice,) and crank
them up as far as I can. That's the way a manly man skis.

So glad to hear it. Unfortunately I seem to lack a few of your
qualifications.

Today at the gym I watched a guy stack up those sturdy metal
platform-things to at least 4 feet high and repeatedly jump on top of
them from the floor. I now understand how it was possible for that guy
to jump the White House fence by grabbing the crossbar and levering
himself over the top kind of like pole-vaulters do.

I guess that's how manly men jump.

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On 10/05/2014 04:59 PM, Bob F wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 03:11 PM, Bob F wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 12:11 PM, Bob F wrote:
The Real Bev wrote:
On 10/05/2014 09:44 AM, Dick G wrote:
On Sun, 5 Oct 2014 09:24:29 -0700 (PDT), Goober Jones
wrote:

Donjoy ski armor brace - bear in mind it needs to be sized
correctly and it comes in a left and right. It gives you all
the mobility to flex
your knees but is absolutely rigid from side to side. I know
professional bumpers that use them and closely related
derivatives are used by NFL players. The ski brace is a little
shorter top to bottom in order to accommodate ski boots.
Is this a custom brace? Where do you get them?

Last I heard it's not possible to make a brace tight enough to
keep you from injuring your knee from serious (bad fall, of
course) forces.

That what release bindings are for. Make sure they are loose enough
to come off before your knee gets hurt. Many people keep them, in
my opinion, way too tight. I set mine so I can twist out of them
when I get to the lodge. If
they fall off on the hill, I'm not skiing right. I've never hurt my
knee skiing.

The bindings prevent bone breakage, not necessarily damage to soft
tissue. I haven't been able to twist out of my bindings for a long
time, although I've been using 4.5 forever.

If they are set loose enough, they should be able to protect soft
tissue also. If you are getting weaker, maybe you should loosen
them. I do not let corporate manufacturer guidelines be my decider.
What your body can take without problem should be your max.

The curious thing is that since I've been doing weights I'm stronger
now than I ever was before, even when I was dirt-riding every
weekend. I wonder if binding technology has changed in some way in
the last 30 years? Fewer slow low-pressure releases but more fast
high-pressure releases or something...

I have Atomic Xentrix 310 bindings (new ones, replacing the recalled
ones) set to 4.5 (the appropriate setting), but I took a nasty fall
last year wherein the binding did NOT release, tweaking my knee in
some invisible way (yeah, I had an MRI) that took a few months to
recover from. I keep meaning to go back to Sport Chalet and talk to
the guy about this...

NEVER happened with Markers. They always released when I thought
they should and never pre-released.

Mine are set at 5, for a reasonably healthy 165 lb guy. The last
time I had bindings set by a shop, I told them to set them for an
absolute rookie, and they were still too tight for my taste. They
would not set them looser. I had to do it.

I don't like to set them to close to the bottom setting, which is why
I havn't reset them already. Ponder...

Mine are always set near the bottom setting.

Try setting them low enough to twist out of them one at a time by twisting your
leg. Maybe start at the minimum. Then increase until you can't twist out. How
does that compare to your current setting? Then think about how much more you
want to go, if any, or even back off to where you can twist out.

Good idea. I should haul out my old skis and see if I can still twist
out of them. I saved them (Hexel orange) because they were the first
skis I owned.


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Cheers, Bev
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