Wanted: Info on construction of 2003-2004 K2 World Piste telemark skis

[cross posted to r.s.n]

My ski shop mounted some BD O3 bindings on a pair of brand new last year's
World Piste skis (the last year before the skis came with
prethreaded binding inserts for certain brands of bindings).

The base of the ski underneath one of the heel blocks has a bulge: they
overdrove a screw during mounting.

They claim that there is a metal sheet (now dented) between the screw and
the base. Is this true? The 2004/2005 World Piste added "another sheet
of titanal" to make two. That means my skis have one. Isn't it on the top
of the ski, rather than next to the base?

Thanks!

Christopher Barrington-Leigh wrote:

: The base of the ski underneath one of the heel blocks has a bulge: they
: overdrove a screw during mounting.

and i hope you didn't pay much for their 'services'.

: They claim that there is a metal sheet (now dented) between the screw and
: the base. Is this true? The 2004/2005 World Piste added "another sheet
: of titanal" to make two. That means my skis have one. Isn't it on the top
: of the ski, rather than next to the base?

yes, it's on the top of the ski- they drilled through it when they mounted the bindings.

sounds like maybe they didn't drill deep enough for that screw, so it pushed material
towards the base that would ordinarily have been removed with the drill. and they have
the nerve to tell you the dent is due to a metal sheet that's not there? it's easier to
mount your own skis than deal with a lousy shop, i trust you won't be back to this
place.... and did they offer to fix the bulge or not? either they should do it by hand,
or they should give you all your $$ back- don't let them stone grind your skis to fix
it-besides the skis being new, would you trust this shop with a grinder now?

Thanks, Matt.

On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:48:52 +0000, Matt wrote:
Christopher Barrington-Leigh wrote:

: The base of the ski underneath one of the heel blocks has a bulge: they
: overdrove a screw during mounting.

and i hope you didn't pay much for their 'services'.

I bought boots, bindings and skins from them, though the skis from
somewhere else: a lot of money. The mounting was free.

: They claim that there is a metal sheet (now dented) between the screw
: and the base. Is this true? The 2004/2005 World Piste added "another
: sheet of titanal" to make two. That means my skis have one. Isn't it
: on the top of the ski, rather than next to the base?

yes, it's on the top of the ski- they drilled through it when they
mounted the bindings.

sounds like maybe they didn't drill deep enough for that screw, so it
pushed material towards the base that would ordinarily have been removed
with the drill. and they have the nerve to tell you the dent is due to
a metal sheet that's not there? it's easier to

Well, so far it's been discussion over the 'phone. I talk to them in
person tomorrow. I will make it clear about the construction of
the 2003-2004 model.

mount your own skis than deal with a lousy shop, i trust you won't be
back to this place.... and did they offer to fix the bulge or not?

They seem to be taking it very seriously, and spoke of, along with fixing
the screw, compensation of "more than the value of a stone grind", though
they would likely recommend waiting a year to use it for a stone grind.

either they should do it by hand, or they should give you all your $$

What does do it by hand mean?

back- don't let them stone grind your skis to fix it-besides the skis
being new, would you trust this shop with a grinder now?

Why does the bulge (it's little!) matter? It it going to affect the
longevity of the skis? I'm not racing on them...

Thanks!

Christopher Barrington-Leigh wrote:
: Thanks, Matt.

: On Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:48:52 +0000, Matt wrote:
: Christopher Barrington-Leigh wrote:

: yes, it's on the top of the ski- they drilled through it when they
: mounted the bindings.
:
: sounds like maybe they didn't drill deep enough for that screw, so it
: pushed material towards the base that would ordinarily have been removed
: with the drill. and they have the nerve to tell you the dent is due to
: a metal sheet that's not there? it's easier to

: Well, so far it's been discussion over the 'phone. I talk to them in
: person tomorrow. I will make it clear about the construction of
: the 2003-2004 model.

so you picked up the skis, and found the problem when you got home? you'd think the shop
would inspect their work before they hand it back, eh?

: mount your own skis than deal with a lousy shop, i trust you won't be
: back to this place.... and did they offer to fix the bulge or not?

: They seem to be taking it very seriously, and spoke of, along with fixing
: the screw, compensation of "more than the value of a stone grind", though
: they would likely recommend waiting a year to use it for a stone grind.

hey, that's good, that they're responsive to ya- you did spend some big coin, so you
deserve the service. as for compensation, def see what they're putting on the table,
based on what you say below, i'm sure they'll make you happy.

also, thinking about this more- when you 'overdrive' a screw, i don't think you'd see a
bulge if the hole is deep enough to accomodate the screw. the head of the screw can't
pass through the heelpiece, it's stationary. the screw can't get longer, but it can pull
the ski towards the heelpiece, resulting in a depression, not a bulge, in the base. i've
done this when mounting my skis on occasion. dunno if the mechanism of failure is still
important, but with this in mind, i'd more firmly say say they used the wrong screw (too
long) or didn't drill deep enough.

: either they should do it by hand, or they should give you all your $$

: What does do it by hand mean?

i just meant to avoid a stone grind- hand filing would be all that's needed to remove the
bulge, most likely.

: back- don't let them stone grind your skis to fix it-besides the skis
: being new, would you trust this shop with a grinder now?

: Why does the bulge (it's little!) matter? It it going to affect the
: longevity of the skis? I'm not racing on them...

OK, i prolly went off the deep end, because this has happened to me before with a shop,
though in my case they drilled right through the base. if it's really small, then no,
it's really no big thing, and you can file it down, and you'll probably never notice the
difference. if the odds were really against you, a core shot in that spot would probably
exascerbate the problem.

sounds like they're trying to work things out, which is a super first step- and as long as
you can't feel the difference, and you feel they addressed the problem adequately, and
they comped you for pain and suffering, i think you'll have peace of mind

good luck, sounds like you've got it well in hand.....