lillehammer 94 video?

hi to everybody,
I never posted on this group but I've been reading for a couple of months
lately, more or less since I decided to come back *seriously* to xc sky.
I'm an italian guy, even if at the moment I'm living in Austria (both places
are pretty good for ski!).
I'm writing to ask you if you know if it is possible to find on the web some
videos of the lillehammer 94 olympic games, in particular the men relay
(guess why ;-)).
I've tried to look at old posts but I found nothing, and even on the emule I
couldn't get any hint...do you have any idea?
Thanks a lot

beorn

I've got the US TV version (VHS) of the '92, '94, '98, '02 relays... all are
shortened versions of course because the US television coverage is not like
european !! Also, VHS is not compatible with European I think....

JK

"beorn" wrote in message
...
hi to everybody,
I never posted on this group but I've been reading for a couple of months
lately, more or less since I decided to come back *seriously* to xc sky.
I'm an italian guy, even if at the moment I'm living in Austria (both
places
are pretty good for ski!).
I'm writing to ask you if you know if it is possible to find on the web
some
videos of the lillehammer 94 olympic games, in particular the men relay
(guess why ;-)).
I've tried to look at old posts but I found nothing, and even on the emule
I
couldn't get any hint...do you have any idea?
Thanks a lot

beorn

I've got the US TV version (VHS) of the '92, '94, '98, '02 relays... all
are
shortened versions of course because the US television coverage is not
like
european !!

well, don't be so sure of it...italian television (and press) is almost
ignoring xcountry skiing, even if gabriella paruzzi is winning the worldcup!
:-(
luckily eurosport is much better...

Also, VHS is not compatible with European I think....

I'm afraid it isn't, that's one of the reasons why I was looking for an avi
or divx.
thanks

beorn

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, beorn wrote:

Also, VHS is not compatible with European I think....

I'm afraid it isn't, that's one of the reasons why I was looking for an avi
or divx.

Confusion of terms here. VHS is the physical tape cartridge, which
is the same everywhere. The incompatibility is the data encoding
format used on the tape. North America and much of South America use
NTSC. Most of western Europe uses PAL. Russia, much of eastern
Europe, and France use SECAM. Africa and Asia are divided between
all 3.

-Mitch

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, beorn wrote:

Also, VHS is not compatible with European I think....

I'm afraid it isn't, that's one of the reasons why I was looking for an
avi
or divx.

Confusion of terms here. VHS is the physical tape cartridge, which
is the same everywhere. The incompatibility is the data encoding
format used on the tape. North America and much of South America use
NTSC. Most of western Europe uses PAL. Russia, much of eastern
Europe, and France use SECAM. Africa and Asia are divided between
all 3.

I'm sorry, of course mine was just a slip, answering without thinking too
much, considering obvious the context ;-)
Anyhow, JK wrote "VHS is not compatible with European", which _could_ mean
that the tape won't work on an european vhs player, but he avoids specifying
the reason, so I wouldn't consider the sentence as wrong, maybe just
partially incomplete ;-)
but this seems a little too much quibbling to me ;-)

beorn

I think the data encryption AND the physical tape cartridge are BOTH
incompatable.
I have a PAL tape and it does NOT look like a VHS tape.

Anyway... Beorn.... that video is awesome. The 4x10km relays from those
years are all total classic XC footage. I watch them EVERY year just as the
ski season is starting to get myself fired up and ready to ski ! I can
only imagine what it would be like to see it live. Can you image the hushed
silence that must have overcome Birkebeiner Stadium when Silvio Fauner edged
out Bjorn Daehlie. The Italians hugged and fell down and celebrated in
silence...

Anyone on the newsgroup here present for this race????
Let's hear the story...

JK

"beorn" wrote in message
...

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, beorn wrote:

Also, VHS is not compatible with European I think....

I'm afraid it isn't, that's one of the reasons why I was looking for
an
avi
or divx.

Confusion of terms here. VHS is the physical tape cartridge, which
is the same everywhere. The incompatibility is the data encoding
format used on the tape. North America and much of South America use
NTSC. Most of western Europe uses PAL. Russia, much of eastern
Europe, and France use SECAM. Africa and Asia are divided between
all 3.

I'm sorry, of course mine was just a slip, answering without thinking too
much, considering obvious the context ;-)
Anyhow, JK wrote "VHS is not compatible with European", which _could_ mean
that the tape won't work on an european vhs player, but he avoids
specifying
the reason, so I wouldn't consider the sentence as wrong, maybe just
partially incomplete ;-)
but this seems a little too much quibbling to me ;-)

beorn

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, 32 degrees wrote:

I think the data encryption AND the physical tape cartridge are BOTH
incompatable.
I have a PAL tape and it does NOT look like a VHS tape.

The two issues are orthogonal. A VHS tape is a VHS tape. It looks
the same no matter what encoding is written on it. But there are
several other types of tapes besides VHS. You can write any encoding
on any tape. So, your PAL tape is encoded in PAL but is not a VHS
tape. I have a PAL tape that IS a VHS tape. I also have a SECAM
tape that's VHS. They both fit in my American VCR, which will happily
spin the tapes. It just can't decode the data recorded on them.

Sort of like how you can write stuff on a floppy disk or even a hard
disk with one system and not be able to read it on another of a
different type (without the right software). But it still fits in
the drive.

-Mitch

(Mitch Collinsworth) wrote:

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, 32 degrees wrote:

I think the data encryption AND the physical tape cartridge are BOTH
incompatable.
I have a PAL tape and it does NOT look like a VHS tape.

The two issues are orthogonal. A VHS tape is a VHS tape. It looks
the same no matter what encoding is written on it. But there are
several other types of tapes besides VHS. You can write any encoding
on any tape. So, your PAL tape is encoded in PAL but is not a VHS
tape. I have a PAL tape that IS a VHS tape. I also have a SECAM
tape that's VHS. They both fit in my American VCR, which will happily
spin the tapes. It just can't decode the data recorded on them.

Sort of like how you can write stuff on a floppy disk or even a hard
disk with one system and not be able to read it on another of a
different type (without the right software). But it still fits in
the drive.

Yes and no.
In fact the way in which the tapes are written is the same on all VHS,
notwhistanding the kind of television system (that's what PAL, NTSC and
SECAM are). Then what the VCR reads is translated into the standard of the
television on which the signals end.
Most old VCR are mono-standards, i.e. they translate what they read for
just one system. But nowadays almost all the new VCR that are sold here in
Europe are multistandard. They are able to read and send the signal
properly to the TV whatever the system of the source was.
During the last year I bought tape overseas, in France and in Central
Europe and my two multistandard VCR just read them fine.
As far as I know, in the USA things are different only because
multistandard VCR had never been traded on the market. While the non
American public showed interest in buying taped entertainment directly from
the USA, the opposite had always been limited to a small niche of people.

Anyway, for the orignal Austro-Italian poster, it shouldn't be difficult
for you to discover whether you VCR is multistandard or not, it is always
written on the instruction book and sometimes also on the exterior cover of
the machine itself.
Otherwise, you can buy a cheap multistandard VCR for as few as 80/100 Euros
at the "Media World" shop nearest to you.

Going back to the original question, at the time I did record the legendary
'94 triumph of De Zolt/Albarello/Vanzetta/Fauner. Unfortunately, I deleted
it not long afterwards. I regret it a lot, nowadays.

On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Davide Tosi wrote:

Most old VCR are mono-standards, i.e. they translate what they read for
just one system. But nowadays almost all the new VCR that are sold here in
Europe are multistandard. They are able to read and send the signal
properly to the TV whatever the system of the source was.
During the last year I bought tape overseas, in France and in Central
Europe and my two multistandard VCR just read them fine.
As far as I know, in the USA things are different only because
multistandard VCR had never been traded on the market. While the non
American public showed interest in buying taped entertainment directly from
the USA, the opposite had always been limited to a small niche of people.

Otherwise, you can buy a cheap multistandard VCR for as few as 80/100 Euros
at the "Media World" shop nearest to you.

Yes. I have seen a few multi-format machines here but they were
extremely expensive professional models. I am THRILLED to hear
consumer grade models are finally becoming available. I guess I
will have to try to order one from Europe somewhere. Are they
typically being equipped with auto-ranging power supplies? Does
"Media World" sell on the internet and ship to USA? :-)

-Mitch

"beorn" skrev i melding
...

I'm sorry, of course mine was just a slip, answering without thinking too
much, considering obvious the context ;-)
Anyhow, JK wrote "VHS is not compatible with European", which _could_ mean
that the tape won't work on an european vhs player, but he avoids
specifying
the reason, so I wouldn't consider the sentence as wrong, maybe just
partially incomplete ;-)
but this seems a little too much quibbling to me ;-)

My PAL VHS player can play NTSC videos. Obviously the cartridges must be
compatible.

--
Terje Henriksen
Kirkenes