Natasha Richardson

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On Mar 19, 12:02*am, Evojeesus wrote:
Ok folks, just wear your helmet when you're skiing or on a motorbike,
the life you save might be your own...

As the survivor of a non-skiing-related subdural hematoma followed by
two neurosurgeries here's my 2 cents.

Something smells fishy about the story. Initial news stories say she
had a minor fall on a beginner run with no obvious head impact . Yet
reports say she was tobogganed off by the ski patrol and was queried
frequently about her condition. This doesn't tie together.

It does when you consider how resort policy has changed to encompass
liability management.


Since when do you get hauled off a beginner run by the ski patrol
unless something spectacularly bad has happened?

Since the policy of the resort became "any head impact during a lesson
means a trip to the patrol hut".


BTW, 'talk and die' IS an accurate metaphor.

John Reece
Truckee, California

--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
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Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
lal_truckee wrote:

pigo wrote:
To wear a helmet skiing would be like wearing one when you drive your
car. For most people overkill and an example of self-aggrandizement.
Helmet use is a funny thing. Around here beginners seldom wear helmets
(except the tourists ALWAYS put their young kids in a helmet, and
helmets are required for Snow School - age 3-6.) Many local experts do
wear helmets, and we have a fair share of good skiers, so maybe 30-50%
of people on the mountain end up wearing helmets regularly, and growing.
But the Pro Patrol and other professional mountain workers generally
don't wear helmets - go figure.

More and more of the pro patrol and ski instructors at Cypress are
starting to wear helmets...

...and I think that next season, I'll be one of them.

IMO helmets help in penetration type impacts, and when an impact is
strong enough that the helmet's inner hard foam crushes obsorbing KE
that otherwise would rattle the brain. Obviously these situations are
more common when trees, rocks, cliffs, and chutes predominate, so usage
mountain to mountain would be expected to vary even if everyone was
equally aware of helmet usage.

One of our instructors hit a tree while skiing the edge of a groomed
trail, and it absolutely *destroyed* his helmet; inner foam completely
shattered and shell nearly broken in two...

...but he got up and skied away.

I've had two crashes where I only lived because luck caused something
other than my skull to impact first, both crashes involving cliffs and
rocks. I wear a helmet now - I'm not tempting that third time knock wood.

Sounds good to me.

I did something similar while skiing the woods
at Heavenly over New Years. I thought Ichin would
catch it on video, but no luck. I only have the
helmet with wood embedded in it and a crack in
the interior foam. Not wearing that one anymore.

On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:06:59 -0700, Alan Baker
wrote this crap:

I live a life of action, adventure, and danger. Next you'll tell me
to wear a helmet while yacht racing.

If you'd seen the gash my skipper got while racing Solings in Seattle,
you might think it was a good idea for yacht racing.

No I wouldn't. And I've been in races where boats sunk, and people
died. I've been on races where boats were attacked by sea monsters,
and only my heroism with a mighty sword saved us.

And vote for Palin-Ahhnold in 2012




A mighty Hungarian warrior
The blood of Attila runs through me

"A mighty Hungarian warrior" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:15:12 -0600, "Stuart" wrote this
crap:

You're probably one of those girly-boys who figure skates. I wear a
helmet while skating because there's a puck flying around at about 150
mph, and somebody's coming at you with a big wooden stick.

I'm living the dream, living the dream.


You must play in some kinda hockey league dumbass, becuse the world record
speed for a slapshot is only 105 mph


I'll give you a slapshot, right in the crotch, dumbass. Then my
minions will hunt you down, and find your village. You are doomed.
DOOMED, I say. And your lands will be forever cursed.

Well, I have a pet dinosaur that eats skis.







A mighty Hungarian warrior
The blood of Attila runs through me

On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 18:46:27 -0600, "Stuart" wrote this
crap:



I'll give you a slapshot, right in the crotch, dumbass. Then my
minions will hunt you down, and find your village. You are doomed.
DOOMED, I say. And your lands will be forever cursed.

Well, I have a pet dinosaur that eats skis.

No you don't, liar. My minions will go to the Vath Cave and find out
where you live. You are DOOMED.

And vote for Palin-Ahhnold in 2012.




A mighty Hungarian warrior
The blood of Attila runs through me

Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
Sue wrote:

In message
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pigo writes
To wear a helmet skiing would be like wearing one when you drive your
car. For most people overkill and an example of self-aggrandizement.
You've misunderstood - you need the helmet when you have your head near
the open tailgate, not when you're driving the car.

Putting stuff in and out of cars is far more likely to cause a serious
head injury than non-extreme skiing (Lal's in a different class) but
it's a mundane risk so nobody thinks about it.

And it doesn't happen to millionaire celebrities because their stuff
gets shifted for them.

I agree the lady's accident sounds really dodgy.
I was a beginner barely older than her. You can't hit your head, you
just land on the outsides of your thighs, over and over again. Your
skis don't come off because you're barely moving. Other beginners do
ski into you but they're barely moving either so nobody goes flying.
Beginner skiers get knee injuries, not head injuries.

I'm going to assume this is all in jest.

Nope, she's a ****wit

A mighty Hungarian warrior wrote:
Alan Baker wrote this crap:

If you'd seen the gash my skipper got while racing Solings in Seattle,
you might think it was a good idea for yacht racing.

No I wouldn't. And I've been in races where boats sunk, and people
died. I've been on races where boats were attacked by sea monsters

For battling sea monsters, I'd definitely recommend wearing a helmet.

Preferably one with horns.

//Walt

On Mar 24, 1:43*am, BrritSki wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:
In article ,
*Sue wrote:

In message
,
pigo writes
To wear a helmet skiing would be like wearing one when you drive your
car. For most people overkill and an example of self-aggrandizement.
You've misunderstood - you need the helmet when you have your head near
the open tailgate, not when you're driving the car.

Putting stuff in and out of cars is far more likely to cause a serious
head injury than non-extreme skiing (Lal's in a different class) but
it's a mundane risk so nobody thinks about it.

And it doesn't happen to millionaire celebrities because their stuff
gets shifted for them.

I agree the lady's accident sounds really dodgy.
I was a beginner barely older than her. *You can't hit your head, you
just land on the outsides of your thighs, over and over again. *Your
skis don't come off because you're barely moving. *Other beginners do
ski into you but they're barely moving either so nobody goes flying.
Beginner skiers get knee injuries, not head injuries.

I'm going to assume this is all in jest.

Nope, she's a ****wit *- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I don't know where to begin. The post is just stoooooooooopid.

In article ,
Alan Baker wrote:

More and more of the pro patrol and ski instructors at Cypress are
starting to wear helmets...

...and I think that next season, I'll be one of them.

Kathryn Miller died of head injuries from a tumble down Space Walk, a chute
in Rock Springs Canyon, South of Jackson Hole Mountain Resort. She wasn't a
Redgrave. She was a mountaineer. She lead a team of women up Cho Oyu,
8201 m on the Nepalese/Chinese border. She was a perennial JH Ski Patroler.
She was an owner of Jackson Hole Mountain Guides. Her ex-husband, Rob Hess,
was the 3rd American to summit Everest without the use of suplemental oxygen,
(and signed off on my Level III Mountain Guide Certification from the American
Avalanche Institute). She died the day after Natasha Richardson.

If a magnificent athlete like Kathryn died from skiing without a helmet, what
chance does a junk show wedgie like you have? Nice to see the Darwin Principle
in force here Alan. Next year never gets here. All we have is here now.
--
According to John Perry Barlow, "Jeff Davis is a truly gifted trouble-maker."

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 09:27:20 -0400, Walt
wrote this crap:

No I wouldn't. And I've been in races where boats sunk, and people
died. I've been on races where boats were attacked by sea monsters

For battling sea monsters, I'd definitely recommend wearing a helmet.

Preferably one with horns.

Wuss.




A mighty Hungarian warrior
The blood of Attila runs through me