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Old January 26th 08, 12:03 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
ADK Skier
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Default Trouble With Salomon Pilot 2 Classic Binding

I had some problems with my Pilot 2 binding yesterday. Snow must have
gotten trapped inside the opening which houses the the kevlar strap.
The strap wouldn't return to the retracted position. After inspection
it was clear the kevlar strap was froze up with snow. The sensation
is odd with no resistance after kicking. Has anyone else experienced
this? Mt concern is if the kevlar band doesn't return will I
eventually step down and crush the little white plastic hook on the
end of the band.
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Old January 26th 08, 05:41 AM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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Default Trouble With Salomon Pilot 2 Classic Binding

On Jan 25, 4:03*pm, ADK Skier wrote:
I had some problems with my Pilot 2 binding yesterday. Snow must have
gotten *trapped inside the opening which houses the the kevlar strap.
The strap wouldn't return to the retracted position. After inspection
it was clear the kevlar strap was froze up with snow. *The sensation
is odd with no resistance after kicking. Has anyone else experienced
this? Mt concern is if the kevlar band doesn't return will I
eventually step down and crush the little white plastic hook on the
end of the band.


What tension mark is you binding tension set on? Would increasing the
tension setting improve the return of the strap into the binding
housing?
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Old January 26th 08, 11:27 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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Default Trouble With Salomon Pilot 2 Classic Binding

On Jan 25, 9:41 pm, wrote:
On Jan 25, 4:03 pm, ADK Skier wrote:

I had some problems with my Pilot 2 binding yesterday. Snow must have
gotten trapped inside the opening which houses the the kevlar strap.
The strap wouldn't return to the retracted position. After inspection
it was clear the kevlar strap was froze up with snow. The sensation
is odd with no resistance after kicking. Has anyone else experienced
this? Mt concern is if the kevlar band doesn't return will I
eventually step down and crush the little white plastic hook on the
end of the band.


What tension mark is you binding tension set on? Would increasing the
tension setting improve the return of the strap into the binding
housing?


Try a good shot of silicone spray into the housing and on the binding
itself.

Captain Nordic
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Old January 28th 08, 01:12 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
Dave M-K
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Default Trouble With Salomon Pilot 2 Classic Binding

I've had the same problem, as have many others. Sometimes mine a re
wonderful, sometimes they click in and out, sometimes they don't engage at
all. One temporary fix is to warm the bindings before going out. The
silicone spray sounds like a good idea too.

I heard Kikkan Randall comment that hers were clicking in and out during the
classic race at Nationals.

I'd be anxious to hear what Salomon has to say about this.

Dave

p.s. when I first had the problem I thought you sold me some lemom bindings,
happy/sad to hear all have this problem.

"ADK Skier" wrote in message
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I had some problems with my Pilot 2 binding yesterday. Snow must have
gotten trapped inside the opening which houses the the kevlar strap.
The strap wouldn't return to the retracted position. After inspection
it was clear the kevlar strap was froze up with snow. The sensation
is odd with no resistance after kicking. Has anyone else experienced
this? Mt concern is if the kevlar band doesn't return will I
eventually step down and crush the little white plastic hook on the
end of the band.



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Old February 17th 08, 01:28 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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Default Trouble With Salomon Pilot 2 Classic Binding

On Jan 28, 8:12*am, "Dave M-K" wrote:
I've had the same problem, as have many others. **
The silicone spray sounds like a good idea too.
I'd be anxious to hear what Salomon has to say about this.


Salomon says to check w/ your dealer, they no longer have a direct e-
mail contact from their website.

I also had this problem (I have the Atomic version), during a race
last week and also yesterday skiing the same course. The problem (for
me) is that the strap does not retract, which leave the white plastic
hook hanging out there and it "unhooks" itself from the boot. The
clicking you hear is from your boot stepping on the hook. Mine has
"broken free" and rehooked a few time, but I actually saw what I
desribed yesterday.

Many times yesterday, on curving downhills, I would step out into
softer, deep snow to step/carve my turns - excellent conditions to
pack snow between my boot and binding.

After skiing, I immediately went to my dealer, put the skis on the
bench, backed off the tension and pulled the strap all the way out.
Almost at the end of the strap, a good sized piece of ice came out. I
used a heat gun to dry the binding out and sprayed it w/ a silicone
spray. If you look at a demo binding (which is mounted on a clear
plastic plate) you'll see that there is a coil spring which actually
provided the tension for the strap. Icing in the spring maybe the
issue, but a teammate who has seen the same thing said she's lubed
that also with no success.

- Bob
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Old February 19th 08, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by highpeaksnordic View Post
On Jan 28, 8:12*am, "Dave M-K" wrote:
I've had the same problem, as have many others. **
The silicone spray sounds like a good idea too.
I'd be anxious to hear what Salomon has to say about this.


Salomon says to check w/ your dealer, they no longer have a direct e-
mail contact from their website.

I also had this problem (I have the Atomic version), during a race
last week and also yesterday skiing the same course. The problem (for
me) is that the strap does not retract, which leave the white plastic
hook hanging out there and it "unhooks" itself from the boot. The
clicking you hear is from your boot stepping on the hook. Mine has
"broken free" and rehooked a few time, but I actually saw what I
desribed yesterday.

Many times yesterday, on curving downhills, I would step out into
softer, deep snow to step/carve my turns - excellent conditions to
pack snow between my boot and binding.

After skiing, I immediately went to my dealer, put the skis on the
bench, backed off the tension and pulled the strap all the way out.
Almost at the end of the strap, a good sized piece of ice came out. I
used a heat gun to dry the binding out and sprayed it w/ a silicone
spray. If you look at a demo binding (which is mounted on a clear
plastic plate) you'll see that there is a coil spring which actually
provided the tension for the strap. Icing in the spring maybe the
issue, but a teammate who has seen the same thing said she's lubed
that also with no success.

- Bob
Sorry you are having problems with the bindings.


1) Salomon Pilot classic bindings benefits from lubrication much as a bike
chain does. We suggest you spray the hook and the internals (pull the hook
out and spray into binding) with silicon spray. Do this every 500 km.
2) We have a new insert called the Pilot Classic Protector that is a free
part available to our retailers goes under the rear portion of the binding
that incases the spring. It takes about 2 minutes to install. If your shop
does not have them they can order them from Salomon customer service.
3) Make sure the boots and bindings are as clean as possible before you
start skiing. If they start clean the stay very snow free. If they start
with snow then snow builds up.

If you have further question please call or email.

Andrew Gerlach
Salomon Nordic
Factory Team www.enjoywinter.com


406-585-2660
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Old February 19th 08, 11:56 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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Default Trouble With Salomon Pilot 2 Classic Binding

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 20:06:33 +0000, Andrew Gerlach
wrote:

3) Make sure the boots and bindings are as clean as possible before
you start skiing. If they start clean the stay very snow free. If they
start with snow then snow builds up.


Start w/o snow on them? Easy to say.
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Old March 3rd 08, 08:24 PM posted to rec.skiing.nordic
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Default Trouble With Salomon Pilot 2 Classic Binding

I wonder if my problem falls under the same solution?

Wet snow (nearly wet) builds up under my boots on top of my Salomon
bindings and gets to be up to 2cm thick and I simply cannot ski - this
is on fresh snow breaking trail etc.

Any suggestions would help - TIA

tbuckley^canada.com


On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:03:18 -0800 (PST), ADK Skier
wrote:

I had some problems with my Pilot 2 binding yesterday. Snow must have
gotten trapped inside the opening which houses the the kevlar strap.
The strap wouldn't return to the retracted position. After inspection
it was clear the kevlar strap was froze up with snow. The sensation
is odd with no resistance after kicking. Has anyone else experienced
this? Mt concern is if the kevlar band doesn't return will I
eventually step down and crush the little white plastic hook on the
end of the band.


 




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