Will oil prices kill XC?

On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:11:00 -0400, "Dave M-K"
wrote:

I am not quite as worried about people traveling to ski. As someone earlier
mentioned if you are driving something with decent mileage the impact will
not be as great. Maybe people will do 3 instead of 4 trips to the ski area
that is 120 miles away.

That's a 25% drop in the amount of skiing - seems pretty significant.

On Jul 9, 10:24*pm, "
wrote:
Do you expect to travel less to snow this winter? Global warming will
kill XC, but high oil prices may kill it even faster.

No. I live in a snowy climate. If I didn't, I'd choose a different
form of recreation.

I agree that it is significant but enough to kill the sport? probably not.
There may be some areas that get hit really hard by this but I also think
you may see some areas do a bit better. Most if not all of the out of the
area skiers that come to the Keweenaw travel through areas that have
somewhat comparable conditions. I think many of these folks won't make it
all the way to the Keweenaw this year. Another option is people just
staying at home to ski. I can't speak for all regions of the country but in
the midwest you might just see a shuffling of the deck, if of course there
is decent snow. I've heard people talk about fewer trips but staying longer
as well, 3 four day trips instead of 4 three day trips, this is in regards
to summer travel though. Same number of total days but fewer miles
traveled.

Retailers may take a hit too. Is $500 better spent on skis or gas money to
train?

Dave



"John Forrest Tomlinson" wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2008 09:11:00 -0400, "Dave M-K"
wrote:

I am not quite as worried about people traveling to ski. As someone
earlier
mentioned if you are driving something with decent mileage the impact will
not be as great. Maybe people will do 3 instead of 4 trips to the ski
area
that is 120 miles away.

That's a 25% drop in the amount of skiing - seems pretty significant.

On Jul 14, 8:15*pm, (Eugene Miya) wrote:
In article ,
Terje Mathisen wrote:

Jim Whalen NULL wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:24 am, "
wrote:
Do you expect to travel less to snow this winter?

This is a real issue.
...
Bottom line - XC skiing WILL be impacted by the fuel crisis (and I
suspect downhill will as well).

What you guys still don't get is that you are paying less than half of
what we do here in Europe!

Americans, Terje, Americans.

Currently we're at nearly $3 per liter, i.e. $11 per gallon.

Yep, heard that from another source. *I should also check for the price
of gas in .is.

--

Whoops! Sorry Terje. I wasn't thinking. It's the WORLD WIDE web.
Being an insensitive North American-centric, YES, American, I hadn't
thought about the fact that there are actually Europeans participating
in this forum! I'll be more careful about future posts.

True, our fuel is still relatively cheap (and we realize that), but
the fact remains that gas has risen in price exponentially over a very
short period of time here. We have no right to complain (and actually
I didn't mean to complain), however, the price increase is indeed
causing us to rethink our driving habits - and I thought that what the
original question was asking. I believe that it is a GOOD thing that
the price increase is spurring new behaviours, however, I'm a little
sad that I'll be compromising next winter, and likely settling for
second-rate skiing in order to save on gas, and also because of
generally poor economic conditions and increased prices on just about
everything. For example, heating bills this winter are looking to
be quite high, which will cut into spending power. Again, I am not
complaining, I doubt I'll freeze to death or starve in the dark this
winter. Overall, life is still pretty good! I am optimistic that
alternative energy sources will be honed - I'm actually opposed to
continually looking for more oil offshore or whatever, we need
altenatives and we do need to use energy more wisely. The higher
prices will make investment in alternatives more attractive, and
higher prices will also lead to lower consumpution.

On Aug 6, 7:03*pm, Jim Whalen NULL wrote:
On Jul 14, 8:15*pm, (Eugene Miya) wrote:





In article ,
Terje Mathisen wrote:

Jim Whalen NULL wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:24 am, "
wrote:
Do you expect to travel less to snow this winter?

This is a real issue.
...
Bottom line - XC skiing WILL be impacted by the fuel crisis (and I
suspect downhill will as well).

What you guys still don't get is that you are paying less than half of
what we do here in Europe!

Americans, Terje, Americans.

Currently we're at nearly $3 per liter, i.e. $11 per gallon.

Yep, heard that from another source. *I should also check for the price
of gas in .is.

--

Whoops! *Sorry Terje. I wasn't thinking. *It's the WORLD WIDE web.
Being an insensitive North American-centric, YES, American, I hadn't
thought about the fact that there are actually Europeans participating
in this forum! *I'll be more careful about future posts.

True, our fuel is still relatively cheap (and we realize that), but
the fact remains that gas has risen in price exponentially over a very
short period of time here. *We have no right to complain (and actually
I didn't mean to complain), however, the price increase is indeed
causing us to rethink our driving habits - and I thought that what the
original question was asking. *I believe that it is a GOOD thing that
the price increase is spurring new behaviours, however, I'm a little
sad that I'll be compromising next winter, and likely settling for
second-rate skiing in order to save on gas, and also because of
generally poor economic conditions and increased prices on just about
everything. * *For example, heating bills this winter are looking to
be quite high, which will cut into spending power. *Again, I am not
complaining, I doubt I'll freeze to death or starve in the dark this
winter. Overall, life is still pretty good! *I am optimistic that
alternative energy sources will be honed - I'm actually opposed to
continually looking for more oil offshore or whatever, we need
altenatives and we do need to use energy more wisely. *The higher
prices will make investment in alternatives more attractive, and
higher prices will also lead to lower consumpution.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

An interesting perspective on high gasoline prices in Norway is Norway
is an oil-exporting country. While Norway could subsidize hydrocarbon
fuels, it chooses to do the opposite. Norway's tax and pricing
structure for gasoline recognizes that driving a private vehicle is a
privilege, not a birthright.

In return, Norway is a transportation friendly country for folks
without a private automobile. What other capital cities have tram and
bus service that can take skiers from the city center to the mountains
for an evening ski?

How many capital cities have skiable mountains that close, let alone a
population to support a transportation system?

Gene

wrote:

In return, Norway is a transportation friendly country for folks
without a private automobile. What other capital cities have tram and
bus service that can take skiers from the city center to the mountains
for an evening ski?

wrote:
How many capital cities have skiable mountains that close, let alone a
population to support a transportation system?

Gene

wrote:

In return, Norway is a transportation friendly country for folks
without a private automobile. What other capital cities have tram and
bus service that can take skiers from the city center to the mountains
for an evening ski?

My hometown has ski trails that are accessible via public
transportation.

When I lived in Atlanta I rode the train with my track
bike to competitions at the East Point velodrome.

Neither involves mountains. But that is a shortcoming of
geology, not transportation policy.

Bob Schwartz

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:23:08 -0600, wrote:

How many capital cities have skiable mountains that close, let alone a
population to support a transportation system?

Ottawa

On Aug 7, 1:23*pm, wrote:
How many capital cities have skiable mountains that close, let alone a
population to support a transportation system?

Gene



wrote:
In return, Norway is a transportation friendly country for folks
without a private automobile. *What other capital cities have tram and
bus service that can take skiers from the city center to the mountains
for an evening ski?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Beyond a short tram ride from Oslo's city center, train and coach
service can get you to a multitude of ski area some distance from Oslo
- Lillehammer, Hovringen/Rondane, and the Hardangervidda to name a
few. Here in the western part of the States, is car or no skiing.

On Aug 7, 2:59*pm, wrote:
On Aug 6, 7:03*pm, Jim Whalen NULL wrote:





On Jul 14, 8:15*pm, (Eugene Miya) wrote:

In article ,
Terje Mathisen wrote:

Jim Whalen NULL wrote:
On Jul 10, 1:24 am, "
wrote:
Do you expect to travel less to snow this winter?

This is a real issue.
...
Bottom line - XC skiing WILL be impacted by the fuel crisis (and I
suspect downhill will as well).

What you guys still don't get is that you are paying less than half of
what we do here in Europe!

Americans, Terje, Americans.

Currently we're at nearly $3 per liter, i.e. $11 per gallon.

Yep, heard that from another source. *I should also check for the price
of gas in .is.

--

Whoops! *Sorry Terje. I wasn't thinking. *It's the WORLD WIDE web.
Being an insensitive North American-centric, YES, American, I hadn't
thought about the fact that there are actually Europeans participating
in this forum! *I'll be more careful about future posts.

True, our fuel is still relatively cheap (and we realize that), but
the fact remains that gas has risen in price exponentially over a very
short period of time here. *We have no right to complain (and actually
I didn't mean to complain), however, the price increase is indeed
causing us to rethink our driving habits - and I thought that what the
original question was asking. *I believe that it is a GOOD thing that
the price increase is spurring new behaviours, however, I'm a little
sad that I'll be compromising next winter, and likely settling for
second-rate skiing in order to save on gas, and also because of
generally poor economic conditions and increased prices on just about
everything. * *For example, heating bills this winter are looking to
be quite high, which will cut into spending power. *Again, I am not
complaining, I doubt I'll freeze to death or starve in the dark this
winter. Overall, life is still pretty good! *I am optimistic that
alternative energy sources will be honed - I'm actually opposed to
continually looking for more oil offshore or whatever, we need
altenatives and we do need to use energy more wisely. *The higher
prices will make investment in alternatives more attractive, and
higher prices will also lead to lower consumpution.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

An interesting perspective on high gasoline prices in Norway is Norway
is an oil-exporting country. *While Norway could subsidize hydrocarbon
fuels, it chooses to do the opposite. * Norway's tax and pricing
structure for gasoline recognizes that driving a private vehicle is a
privilege, not a birthright.

In return, Norway is a transportation friendly country for folks
without a private automobile. *What other capital cities have tram and
bus service that can take skiers from the city center to the mountains
for an evening ski?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I know of no US (or Canadian) city that has such a service.

Interestingly - I live very near Canada (right on the border), and a
Canadian told me today that he feels that is just a matter of time
before we invade Canada in order to get either their oil or their
water - or both. Invade Canada? I hope he was joking but I'm not so
sure he was. Sad to see how the world views us, but I suppose we need
to look in the mirror.