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AT binding help
Fritschi Freeride vs. The new Naxo Bindings
Both of these bindings claim to be thrashable downhill bindings in addition to the touring capabilities. I don't know which pair to buy. Any help would be appreciated. The naxo has a front toe piece that releases like normal downhill bindings. Both of these bindings have lightweight plastic, do they perform on downhill. thanks |
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ShredTheGnar schrieb:
Fritschi Freeride vs. The new Naxo Bindings Both of these bindings claim to be thrashable downhill bindings in addition to the touring capabilities. I don't know which pair to buy. Any help would be appreciated. The naxo has a front toe piece that releases like normal downhill bindings. Both of these bindings have lightweight plastic, do they perform on downhill. Many complain about the Fritschis, but not me. I'm still using the very first one (the grey/white) and after reinforcing the longitudinal titanal bar and changing a little bit in the heel part (elevating the last screw with a spacer, so it does not open anymore spontaneously) i hadn't any problem anymore. I'm doing about 8-10 tours with 1.000 m + dislevel. So, the use is moderate ... The Naxo is very fine and smooth. Plus, it has a higher release value (like the Fritschi Freeride up to 12). It's very smooth for walking. But when it comes to steep uphill its problem is the advanced center of rotation (before the binding) which forces you to make a longer way with the hill. Personally, i'd prefer the Fritschi, but that are tastes. Friends of mine did the Sarek (an alpinelike national park in north sweden and were very happy even with the prototype of the Naxo). Greetings, Ulrich |
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ShredTheGnar wrote:
Fritschi Freeride vs. The new Naxo Bindings Both of these bindings claim to be thrashable downhill bindings in addition to the touring capabilities. I don't know which pair to buy. Any help would be appreciated. The naxo has a front toe piece that releases like normal downhill bindings. Both of these bindings have lightweight plastic, do they perform on downhill. The Freeride has been good to me. I use it for backcountry AND inbounds powder day yo-yoing without hint of failure. For reference I broke four (really!) pairs of Emory rando bindings with my powder day yo-yoing technique which is apparently tough on bindings. (I found all the Emorys in various garage sales so they were cheap, luckily, but having to change out broken bindings all the time was taking its toll, so the Freerides are a relief.) |
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In article , ShredTheGnar wrote: Fritschi Freeride vs. The new Naxo Bindings Both of these bindings claim to be thrashable downhill bindings in addition to the touring capabilities. I don't know which pair to buy. Any help would be appreciated. The naxo has a front toe piece that releases like normal downhill bindings. _ So does the Fritschi. I don't think release is a factor. Both of these bindings have lightweight plastic, do they perform on downhill. _ I skied the Naxo last winter and it performs very well as a downhill binding. I think it's pretty much a toss-up between the two at this point, if you stick with the Fritschi 3 binding[1]. The Fritschi has a longer history and probably has more bugs worked out, but I had no problems with the Naxo's. I did hear some grumblings about the heel lifter parts breaking last winter. The Naxo is more pleasant for low angles, but people claim it gets wonky on very steep climbs[2]. You should check out Lou Dawson's site for more info on both bindings. http://www.wildsnow.com/ _ I'm sold, I don't see any reason to buy another pair of regular alpine bindings again, at least for the kind of skiing at a resort that I do ( mostly steeps, powder). If you really want to bash moguls all day then you might want to consider a regular alpine binding. _ Booker C. Bense [1]- You'll see older versions (1,2) of this binding around for very cheap. There's a reason, they had known reliabilty problems. [2]- I get wonky on steep climbs well before my bindings do. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQSJNGGTWTAjn5N/lAQGj+gQAgCGNH3ezaAp+lFtqZrnIEGH5i/sbOHfB abnQONcZOlS5RmGhD2/o7o1K/aEOktf0xy4OK/87fxNOLiGsohPOFjFhnt6Fs6sp iWu8OpoJDn7TZnoRNFt+x6zxrD2UcYwuppgvESO5VQpwDQtrTY 8Sa65uvIN1kiKH jnU5Ne4kx2s= =bm73 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Booker C. Bense wrote:
I did hear some grumblings about the heel lifter parts breaking last winter. hear some mo- http://www.pistehors.com/comments/258_0_1_0_C/ http://www.pistehors.com/comments/249_0_1_0_C/ |
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David Off wrote:
Booker C. Bense wrote: I did hear some grumblings about the heel lifter parts breaking last winter. hear some mo- http://www.pistehors.com/comments/258_0_1_0_C/ http://www.pistehors.com/comments/249_0_1_0_C/ Recall that Fritschi also took a couple of years to get it right. It's tough being an early adopter of any new technology, from autos to software to bindings; v1.0 is buggy. |
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In article , David Off wrote: Booker C. Bense wrote: I did hear some grumblings about the heel lifter parts breaking last winter. hear some mo- http://www.pistehors.com/comments/258_0_1_0_C/ http://www.pistehors.com/comments/249_0_1_0_C/ _ I wonder how the web is affecting toy design in general these days. In any manufacturing process you're going to get some duds. With the web and small niche products, everybody that's likely to buy your gear sees your failures. After all this is just two out of ??? bindings. It'd be a shame if everything ended up being designed like Bomber's Tele binding. Indestructible, but heavy... _ I'm not in any way staying that there aren't design flaws in the Naxo. It's just that there seems no way to shake them out short of selling product. Even after BD made a big deal about "testing" their new telemark binding they still had a recall. Rainey's brief Beta program seems a lot more honest. _ It's interesting in comparing this to the bike world in which I recently got involved again. There weight is king and people generally accept designs that eventually break as long as they are light. I guess it's the difference between being a taxi ride and a 10 mile slog from home. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQSOh42TWTAjn5N/lAQF+sgP/bvONd66JMYSiWcNo7/z5oX33Vi101c75 FPiwhYyJkOKIhIJOIUjdS3jRa9kXv1YslPopzn9iI/b8s4rDy4edP9Iug3fzjVY1 dzJI66bBw7l71mlqVrznjSRnyzNu0Akl1afvFaRrqIyjRGsWYL Sofvrdeb8WjtOY fJkATf7wi6s= =uoKc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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The Naxo toe design is a bit deceptive - it *looks* kind of like an
old Solly downhill toe, with the entire toe housing rotating around a post, and hence all sealed up, unlike the Fritschi, where the pivot point is exposed to the elements. But when you play with it in the store, you quickly realize that only the toe jaw moves relative to the rest of the binding, and hence it's really not much different from the Fritschi. The original Fritschi Diamir had a weaker central rail (although I still have a pair that is going strong after many years). But this was fixed with the D2 - the D3 just has a slightly stronger toe jaw and heel cocking lever. Also, Fritschi for this season is coming out with a ski crampon that can somehow be attached yet not deployed - a big plus for those situations when you're wondering whether to fix crampons now and have an annoying drag yet therefore not have to remove the skis to attach the crampons on some sketchy terrain. Also also, a German ski touring magazing last year conducted a test that essentially measured the coupling rigidity of rando bindings, and the Diamir came out best. I have a copy I can e-mail to any interested folks. |
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Jonathan Shefftz wrote:
Also also, a German ski touring magazing last year conducted a test that essentially measured the coupling rigidity of rando bindings, and the Diamir came out best. I have a copy I can e-mail to any interested folks. Please. |
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Jonathan Shefftz wrote:
Also, Fritschi for this season is coming out with a ski crampon that can somehow be attached yet not deployed - a big plus for those situations when you're wondering whether to fix crampons now and have an annoying drag yet therefore not have to remove the skis to attach the crampons on some sketchy terrain. The Axiom crampon. It sounds interesting, sort of folds up on the toe piece. The bindings (eXplore) are also supposed to accept the old Diamir crampons so you don't have to throw out your old kit right away... only people I know who skied the eXplore last season had trouble fitting the old bindings. As Booker said above, v1.0 kit often has defects, but someone has to be an early adopter or the state of the art won't move forward. |
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