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In article , Uli Hausmann wrote: Booker C. Bense schrieb: _ The 6200 looks to be the same ski at the 4800, just without the binding plate. I haven't skied it, but I think the 4800 would be a fairly decent AT ski with it's light weight and soft flex. The 6200 is with (half) plate. There is also a 6200 RED without plate. Many alpine guides in "my" parts of the Alps use the 4800 with Dynafit as lightweight randonee equipment (for hut-to-hut tours like Haute Route for example). Seemed a good ski to me. _ Yes. Kind of a refreshing change from what you normally see in alpine shops these days. It's either twin tips or something with a weird integrated plate that you can only use one binding on. Light skis get throw around by the crud though. I came very close to getting a pair with Dynafits for the spring corn harvest, but decided to go with a pair of Fischer T-Stix Stingrays, since they are even lighter and have a snappier flex. Possible. But the Stingray (Mustang?) probably is a little bit worse when it comes to very steep and hard (frozen) shapes - and you have to go a little bit in derapage (speaking in tele-terms here, obviously). _ Language Barrier. I have no idea what you are talking about. I took my Stingrays[1] out for a quick tour yesterday in conditions that varied from windblown powder to hard crust to 8 inches of slush and I really like them. No telemarking though as I put dynafit's on them. Personally, i'm still looking for a good tele-touring ski. Actually, i'm using the Stockli Stormrider Pit, which is really light and snappy as well - but a little bit too small (and short for me. 172. The alternative 182 would be too long) _ I think you have a different notion of tele-touring than I do. IMHO, the Fischer Boundless is pretty much far and away the best turn and tour compromise ski I've ever skied. I didn't know Stockli made AT skis, all we see in the USA are the very beefy Stormrider XL's. _ Booker C. Bense [1]- Stingray's are the 75mm wide ones ( i.e. big stix 75 ) Mustangs are the 86mm wide ones. ( i.e big stix 84 or 86 ). -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQmaf/WTWTAjn5N/lAQGurAP6A+zYkQoLIJWB/FUYcpA1CXECTn9Ufpud yhV+HotTREDKqTDxSzXBQxuvhYR2FNlnvdmjAvBwLwk0gTc6t/BLqerlgsoG3YuG wLjNZYv/crbGLPm6+meK776ciAZdNpGpIxg64DIoJI2g8+LQQlBgnPDkpF zBPPOq JrIM7SMdmuI= =0I8u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Booker C. Bense schrieb:
_ Language Barrier. I have no idea what you are talking about. I took my Stingrays[1] out for a quick tour yesterday in conditions that varied from windblown powder to hard crust to 8 inches of slush and I really like them. No telemarking though as I put dynafit's on them. Well, what i wanted to say is this: Immagine a steep face (40° or more) with hard snow and moguls and with several 100 m ravine beneath (in othere words: a no fall situation) you have to traverse in slight descent. There, at least me, with free heels i have to be very cautious and to use derapage, instead of - risky - turns. In such conditions, which are not so rare at least in our, alpine, ski randonee, a very fat and soft ski would be rather unstable and not so trusty. (1) Personally, i'm still looking for a good tele-touring ski. Actually, i'm using the Stockli Stormrider Pit, which is really light and snappy as well - but a little bit too small (and short for me. 172. The alternative 182 would be too long) _ I think you have a different notion of tele-touring than I do. Yep. There's pretty much a difference. What i do in tele-touring is pretty much the same what others do with alpine randonee equipment. Recently, i did a part of the Haute Route (from Verbier or Chamonix to Zermatt). IMHO, the Fischer Boundless is pretty much far and away the best turn and tour compromise ski I've ever skied. I didn't know Stockli made AT skis, all we see in the USA are the very beefy Stormrider XL's. The Fischer Boundless for such touring wouldn't be that good idea. As for the Stoeckli Stormrider Pit look he http://www.stoeckli.ch/skiselect.asp?query=tour&lng=en It's, despite the relative lightweight a pretty snappy ski. But as i said, a little bit short and small for my taste. I do not find the Stormrider XL so beefy and i'm thinking about to mount on it a Telemark Easy GO adapter and to use it for touring :-) [1]- Stingray's are the 75mm wide ones ( i.e. big stix 75 ) Mustangs are the 86mm wide ones. ( i.e big stix 84 or 86 ). You're right. Greetings, Ulrich (1) http://www.funivie.org/pagine/funiga...fa_verbier.jpg The couloir on the left side of the cableway station. |
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In article , Uli Hausmann wrote: Booker C. Bense schrieb: _ Language Barrier. I have no idea what you are talking about. I took my Stingrays[1] out for a quick tour yesterday in conditions that varied from windblown powder to hard crust to 8 inches of slush and I really like them. No telemarking though as I put dynafit's on them. Well, what i wanted to say is this: Immagine a steep face (40° or more) with hard snow and moguls and with several 100 m ravine beneath (in othere words: a no fall situation) you have to traverse in slight descent. There, at least me, with free heels i have to be very cautious and to use derapage, instead of - risky - turns. _ I think the term in American English is "side slipping". In such conditions, which are not so rare at least in our, alpine, ski randonee, a very fat and soft ski would be rather unstable and not so trusty. (1) _ Around here the Fischer T-Stix Stingray is considered a relatively narrow and stiff ski... %-). In trying various skis over the years, I think skis in the 75-85mm range have gotten much better at dealing with hard conditions, especially over the last two years. Personally, i'm still looking for a good tele-touring ski. Actually, i'm using the Stockli Stormrider Pit, which is really light and snappy as well - but a little bit too small (and short for me. 172. The alternative 182 would be too long) _ I think you have a different notion of tele-touring than I do. Yep. There's pretty much a difference. What i do in tele-touring is pretty much the same what others do with alpine randonee equipment. Recently, i did a part of the Haute Route (from Verbier or Chamonix to Zermatt). _ Touring in our lexicon generally implies a focus on covering horizontal rather than vertical distance. Tele touring means getting the kilometers in, but also having some fun on the descents. What you describe would be considered "extreme skiing" or steep backcountry in the ski lingo of the USA. IMHO, the Fischer Boundless is pretty much far and away the best turn and tour compromise ski I've ever skied. I didn't know Stockli made AT skis, all we see in the USA are the very beefy Stormrider XL's. The Fischer Boundless for such touring wouldn't be that good idea. _ No, it's fine on steep powder and corn, but isn't the best for ice or heavy crud. I certainly wouldn't trust it in the situation above. As for the Stoeckli Stormrider Pit look he http://www.stoeckli.ch/skiselect.asp?query=tour&lng=en It's, despite the relative lightweight a pretty snappy ski. But as i said, a little bit short and small for my taste. I do not find the Stormrider XL so beefy and i'm thinking about to mount on it a Telemark Easy GO adapter and to use it for touring :-) _ It's my understanding of the Big stix line that it goes something like Big Stix 84 , 75 ( relatively heavy stiff wood core skis ) circa 2000 Big Stix 8.6 , 7.5 ( New carbon construction, much lighter and softer ) T-stix Stingray, Mustang ( Refinement of the carbon construction resulting in a lighter and stiffer ski. ) _ There must be something about these skis that appeals to me, because I own 3 pair. 184cm Big Stix 84, 175cm Big Stix 75 and the newest a Stingray 165mm. I ski them all fixed heel though. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQmf0UWTWTAjn5N/lAQFg9gP8C35A0sQnL0HXu8LfNSHpVapeeaBf95t9 13zmt/Nja3Gnc6FaquHy9hlS7Pt9Bu+orBjUJfSB86++Gdx3X7N7mcHM nYLmT41M UKgJUk85bM0HtxrGhf3mVeTCpbZNYpsg+c4x13mIwXclNiOXqF wH5sTzub2z6SJj mwqtMokl5sM= =GYhq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Booker C. Bense schrieb:
_ Touring in our lexicon generally implies a focus on covering horizontal rather than vertical distance. Tele touring means getting the kilometers in, but also having some fun on the descents. What you describe would be considered "extreme skiing" or steep backcountry in the ski lingo of the USA. That's what would be touring in Scandinavia for example (most parts, not the norvegian coast though) or in the "middle" mountains in central Europe (like Black Forest for example). Tours in the Alps, generally, are like that i spoke about before. Extreme i wouldn't consider it. Extreme - and i think that's pretty much common here - we will consider ascents and decents which imply as necessary the use of ice axes, crampons and ropes. Of course, simply for security, on our glaciers you'll need a harness and a rope, eventually, nearly all the time (to assure a fall in a crevasse) but it's not, what i would consider extreme. As for the rest, i'll have a look at the Fischer Big Stix and derivates. Thanks for the tip :-)) Greetings, Ulrich |
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In article , Uli Hausmann wrote: Booker C. Bense schrieb: _ Touring in our lexicon generally implies a focus on covering horizontal rather than vertical distance. Tele touring means getting the kilometers in, but also having some fun on the descents. What you describe would be considered "extreme skiing" or steep backcountry in the ski lingo of the USA. That's what would be touring in Scandinavia for example (most parts, not the norvegian coast though) or in the "middle" mountains in central Europe (like Black Forest for example). Tours in the Alps, generally, are like that i spoke about before. Extreme i wouldn't consider it. Extreme - and i think that's pretty much common here - we will consider ascents and decents which imply as necessary the use of ice axes, crampons and ropes. _ That's pretty far out for most USA skiers, we really don't have many glaciars that require those precautions in the lower 48. Most mountains have a way up that doesn't require ropes, so you have to go out of your way to use them. Of course, simply for security, on our glaciers you'll need a harness and a rope, eventually, nearly all the time (to assure a fall in a crevasse) but it's not, what i would consider extreme. _ Extreme is so overused in the USA these days that it has lost all meaning. All it really means today is that it looks dangerous to people ignorant of the sport. However, it's really useful for seperating the wheat from the chaff, anybody that describes themselves as an "extreme anything" is generally either a liar or a moron. Nobody that's really doing it uses the term. _ Booker C. Bense -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBQmslwmTWTAjn5N/lAQFfYAP/SVMCNJqqAFkfpM0XxBsyg+V7iXz8We2Q MvHI2mc+pUQCRnxHWiQzL/CKWYA9Q7u58asnonM2P7cIr09Yxlc0AsiEofU4qvV/ jTVAsV/zFKUJQ6qRaTV3sMo9RbQY8xopvMqBHt4wI5e1xb3QCJtmMdJwb IKZmv31 5qVpMc4WOIk= =yrcD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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Booker C. Bense schrieb:
_ Extreme is so overused in the USA these days that it has lost all meaning. All it really means today is that it looks dangerous to people ignorant of the sport. However, it's really useful for seperating the wheat from the chaff, anybody that describes themselves as an "extreme anything" is generally either a liar or a moron. Nobody that's really doing it uses the term. :-)) May be i can add one: extreme is what i'm not able to do safely (but others can. E.g telemarkers like Frode Groenvold or Lorenzo Worster ...) Greetings, Ulrich |
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