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The Real Bev wrote:
MoonMan wrote: The Real Bev wrote: snip You can set the broken leg of somebody you'd rather see dead if that's your job. I wish I'd watched more than one episode of 'Yes, Minister.' From what I saw, the Minister was an appointed dolt and the real work was done by the professional staff. I would guess, based on other political appointments (ambassadors who don't speak the language of their host country, etc.), that we use the same system. The point of Yes Minister was that whatever the elected polititian tried to do was frustrated by the permanent staff. sometimes because it was a bad idea, sometimes because "we don't do it that way", but usually because it was not in the interest of the civil service. I see. Just like here. Ministers are elected? Well, yes (usually) and no A Minister is Usually an MP and therefore elected to parliment, but appointed a minister. but A Peer (Lord) can also be a Appointed as a Minister and Peers are either appointed (by one of the political parties or for doing good works or long service) or Hereditary (only a few of these are left, and they are elected by the other "Herieditory" Peers) In the case of "Yes Minister" The Minister is an MP apointed by his party leader who is the current PM. though of course in the sequel series Yes Prime minister he has been elected leader of his party, and as his party has a majority in the house of Commons is therefore Prime Minister. There clear as Mud Chris *:-) |
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The Real Bev wrote:
I wish I'd watched more than one episode of 'Yes, Minister.' From what I saw, the Minister was an appointed dolt and the real work was done by the professional staff. Hell, I learned that when I was about 10 from reading "The Star Beast" by Heinlein. Saw it in action plenty of times during my career. Stories R Us. |
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On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:09:35 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote: More proof that FEMA (along with a lot of other government agencies) has its head up its ass. I love how they removed Brown today. They essentially fire the guy, but NOOOOO, they claim he's needed to work on potential future disasters. RIGHT. And the guy lied on his application. This goes right back to Bush appointing unqualified people to positions they do not have a right to inhabit. But even with the lying and the fiasco, he isn't fired. ABSOLUTELY unacceptable. |
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"Rich Heimlich" wrote in message ... On Thu, 08 Sep 2005 23:09:35 -0700, The Real Bev wrote: More proof that FEMA (along with a lot of other government agencies) has its head up its ass. I love how they removed Brown today. They essentially fire the guy, but NOOOOO, they claim he's needed to work on potential future disasters. RIGHT. And the guy lied on his application. This goes right back to Bush appointing unqualified people to positions they do not have a right to inhabit. But even with the lying and the fiasco, he isn't fired. ABSOLUTELY unacceptable. Isn't it great how ****ed off and how helpless you are to do anything about it? Maybe if they could find some of is spewie on a dress of a girl he never had sex with? |
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"Sven Golly" wrote in message ... Side note - You do know that the Red Cross has now publicly said that they were prevented from bringing in relief supplies to the Superdome and Convention Center by LOUISIANA STATE officials?? There you go, using facts to side with Bush again. |
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pigo wrote:
"Sven Golly" wrote in message ... Side note - You do know that the Red Cross has now publicly said that they were prevented from bringing in relief supplies to the Superdome and Convention Center by LOUISIANA STATE officials?? There you go, using facts to side with Bush again. hey. I'd be all over that, but I try not to bash a sitting minority party. I'll have plenty to say in three years or whenever the dems get a majority. I'm sure you understand. -klaus |
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The Real Bev wrote:
I wish I'd watched more than one episode of 'Yes, Minister.' From what I saw, the Minister was an appointed dolt and the real work was done by the professional staff. I would guess, based on other political appointments (ambassadors who don't speak the language of their host country, etc.), that we use the same system. The american system is totally different from the Westminster system, which Australia also uses. Tthe English recently had a problem with some people exploding bombs in their underground. I thought they handled the entire situation very well indeed. -- ant |
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Ted Waldron wrote:
In article , "ant" wrote: Tthe English recently had a problem with some people exploding bombs in their underground. I thought they handled the entire situation very well indeed. Especially when the Anti terror squad killed the Brazillian electrician execution style. Like any system they have their strengths and their major royal **** ups. I think in the scheme of things, the Poms came out of that one looking OK. And they learned from it. One person died unneccessarily, not thousands. The telling thing was how they handled the initial emergency, which happened in one of the largest, busiest cities in the world, with no warning. The machine swung into action, and it worked. -- ant |
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MoonMan wrote:
The Real Bev wrote: MoonMan wrote: The Real Bev wrote: snip You can set the broken leg of somebody you'd rather see dead if that's your job. I wish I'd watched more than one episode of 'Yes, Minister.' From what I saw, the Minister was an appointed dolt and the real work was done by the professional staff. I would guess, based on other political appointments (ambassadors who don't speak the language of their host country, etc.), that we use the same system. The point of Yes Minister was that whatever the elected polititian tried to do was frustrated by the permanent staff. sometimes because it was a bad idea, sometimes because "we don't do it that way", but usually because it was not in the interest of the civil service. I see. Just like here. Ministers are elected? Well, yes (usually) and no A Minister is Usually an MP and therefore elected to parliment, but appointed a minister. but A Peer (Lord) can also be a Appointed as a Minister and Peers are either appointed (by one of the political parties or for doing good works or long service) or Hereditary (only a few of these are left, and they are elected by the other "Herieditory" Peers) In the case of "Yes Minister" The Minister is an MP apointed by his party leader who is the current PM. though of course in the sequel series Yes Prime minister he has been elected leader of his party, and as his party has a majority in the house of Commons is therefore Prime Minister. There clear as Mud So we might then assume that a Minister has at least some sort of expertise at something, even if it's only getting elected, right? Cronyism wouldn't play a huge part then, right? And a Ministry wouldn't normally be regarded as a sinecure, right? How about Ambassadorships? -- Cheers, Bev = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = "I read about this syndrome called hypochondria in a magazine. I think I've got it." -- DA |
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ant wrote:
The Real Bev wrote: I wish I'd watched more than one episode of 'Yes, Minister.' From what I saw, the Minister was an appointed dolt and the real work was done by the professional staff. I would guess, based on other political appointments (ambassadors who don't speak the language of their host country, etc.), that we use the same system. The american system is totally different from the Westminster system, which Australia also uses. Tthe English recently had a problem with some people exploding bombs in their underground. I thought they handled the entire situation very well indeed. Um, was that the one where they shot the innocent bystander in the head? Is 'Oops' the same in British English as in American English? Actually, that was a cheap shot (on my part). That shooting was absolutely unexpected and the fact that they got it wrong was even moreso. -- Cheers, Bev = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = "I read about this syndrome called hypochondria in a magazine. I think I've got it." -- DA |
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