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Old February 22nd 06, 03:29 AM
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Not exactly a TR, here - did 2.5 days at Mt. Bohemia over the weekend.
It went as expected; the drive was really long, there were about 4-8"
of new fluff each AM, and liftlines were next to nonextistant. But
what really struck me this time is how much pain that hill inflicts.
At most western hills, a quick hot-tub in the evening and I'm ready to
go the next AM, but one day at Bohemia and I'm ready for a cortisone
bath. We've got a couple of theories-

1) the "no grooming" policy. Coupled with the absence of green runs,
it means that you can never take a turn for granted. On a real
mountain, we'll ski comparable terrain, but it'll be interspersed with
occasional groomers (on the way down to the lodge, or just to get back
to the lift, or whatever) which give a chance to throttle back and get
lazy for a while. At Mt. B, you've got to be on top of your skis for
just about every turn, and it adds up. Even if it's untracked,
there's bumps under there.

2) The low altitude (peak is 1500'). Although it makes things easier
overall, it maybe puts a bigger load on the muscles and joints? Since
the lungs and heart have abundant O2, they can ask a lot more of the
rest of the body.

Still a riotous good time this past weekend. (ouch). Praise Ullr and
pass the ibuprofen.

bw

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Old February 22nd 06, 04:12 AM
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On 2006-02-22, bdubya penned:
liftlines were next to nonextistant. But what really struck me this
time is how much pain that hill inflicts. At most western hills, a
quick hot-tub in the evening and I'm ready to go the next AM, but one
day at Bohemia and I'm ready for a cortisone bath. We've got a
couple of theories-


[snip]

It's all right there where you said "liftlines were next to
nonexistant." I bet you skied a lot more in a day than you're used
to.

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monique
Longmont, CO

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Old February 22nd 06, 05:15 AM
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Monique Y. Mudama wrote:

It's all right there where you said "liftlines were next to
nonexistant." I bet you skied a lot more in a day than you're used
to.


Gee, I don't know...That 900' verticle. Sounds like lack of conditioning
to me.
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Old February 22nd 06, 06:32 AM
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bdubya wrote:

1) the "no grooming" policy.

2) The low altitude (peak is 1500'). Although it makes things easier
overall, it maybe puts a bigger load on the muscles and joints? Since
the lungs and heart have abundant O2, they can ask a lot more of the
rest of the body.

Still a riotous good time this past weekend. (ouch). Praise Ullr and
pass the ibuprofen.


Sounds like a real paradise in the US.

Actually, altitude doesn't seem a big deal here, apart from Summit County.
It's a huge deal there. But elsewhere, I dunno. Maybe cos I'm asthmatic (
fairly seriously), and tend to retain water, I don't notice it so much,
apart from being a bit of a nuisence. In Summit, people keel over on the
lower bunny hills, and often they are fit people, not fat lazy buggers like
me. I think fluid and fluid retention is a biggie.

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ant

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Old February 22nd 06, 06:02 PM
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On 2006-02-22, Jeff Davis penned:
In article ,
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:

It's all right there where you said "liftlines were next to
nonexistant." I bet you skied a lot more in a day than you're used
to.


Gee, I don't know...That 900' verticle. Sounds like lack of conditioning
to me.


Might be. But a short vertical also means a short lift ride, and with
no lift lines to speak of, that can add up to a lot of skiing.

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Longmont, CO

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Old February 22nd 06, 06:07 PM
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On 2006-02-22, ant penned:

Actually, altitude doesn't seem a big deal here, apart from Summit
County. It's a huge deal there. But elsewhere, I dunno. Maybe cos
I'm asthmatic ( fairly seriously), and tend to retain water, I don't
notice it so much, apart from being a bit of a nuisence. In Summit,
people keel over on the lower bunny hills, and often they are fit
people, not fat lazy buggers like me. I think fluid and fluid
retention is a biggie.


Despite the fact that I hit A-Basin more often than any other ski
area, it always kills me. Skiing downhill is fine, but just walking
from the parking lot up the stairs to the cafeteria is way more work
than it should be. And if I have to make it from the top of the
"middle" lift uphill to where you can ski to King Cornice, etc ...
ugh, forget it.

Actually, I think even downhill, my thighs get sore more quickly at
A-Basin than at lower areas.

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monique
Longmont, CO

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Old February 22nd 06, 09:50 PM
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In article ,
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
On 2006-02-22, Jeff Davis penned:
Gee, I don't know...That 900' verticle. Sounds like lack of conditioning
to me.


Might be. But a short vertical also means a short lift ride, and with
no lift lines to speak of, that can add up to a lot of skiing.


It's routine for me to hike a 1600' verticle for some turns. It's routine
for me to hike a mile out of bounds for some turns after I've gotten off the
top of the tram. And I consider myself out of shape this season. There's
another thing going on here as well. Ibuprophen interferes with the body's
natural repair process. Constant use of Ibuprophen to relieve muscle pain
from physical exercise results in exaserbation of the lack of conditioning
that causes the muscle pain in the first place.

So that's the substance of my argument. Nice talking with you.
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Old February 22nd 06, 10:01 PM
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In article ,
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
Despite the fact that I hit A-Basin more often than any other ski
area, it always kills me. Skiing downhill is fine, but just walking
from the parking lot up the stairs to the cafeteria is way more work
than it should be. And if I have to make it from the top of the
"middle" lift uphill to where you can ski to King Cornice, etc ...
ugh, forget it.

Actually, I think even downhill, my thighs get sore more quickly at
A-Basin than at lower areas.


Try running up some of those ski hills in the summer time. Thigh burn results
from anerobic metabolism. In other words, lactic acid builds up because
of insufficient oxygen to completely metabolize stored C6H12O6 into ATP,
(adenosine tri-phosphate). The sucrosic energy is stored in the ATP
molecules, and released as one of the phosphate bonds breaks.

Running at altitude increases the oxygen carrying capacity of the blood stream,
and increases the body's lactic acid metabolism efficacy. You should
aclimatize in a summer to altitude. Your body increases the number of
red blood cells in your body to compensate for thinner air. It takes
3 months for the body to compensate for altitude. A summer of mountain
running should solve your conditioning problems at A-Basin. (One of my
favorite ski hills).
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Old February 22nd 06, 10:22 PM
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On 2006-02-22, Jeff Davis penned:

Try running up some of those ski hills in the summer time. Thigh burn results
from anerobic metabolism. In other words, lactic acid builds up because
of insufficient oxygen to completely metabolize stored C6H12O6 into ATP,
(adenosine tri-phosphate). The sucrosic energy is stored in the ATP
molecules, and released as one of the phosphate bonds breaks.


[snip]

I came into this season worse off than usual for a variety of reasons,
only some of which were my fault. I don't have a time machine, so I'm
doing the best I can with what I have.

I've been doing a lot of squats and one-leg jumps during the week, and
it seems to be helping. Also jump roping and sideways jumps.

BTW, I have now heard from several sources that lactic acid is no
longer believed to be the cause of muscle soreness. I forget the
details, though.

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monique
Longmont, CO

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Old February 22nd 06, 10:37 PM
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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:50:02 -0500, (Jeff Davis)
wrote:

In article ,
Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
On 2006-02-22, Jeff Davis penned:
Gee, I don't know...That 900' verticle. Sounds like lack of conditioning
to me.


Might be. But a short vertical also means a short lift ride, and with
no lift lines to speak of, that can add up to a lot of skiing.


It's routine for me to hike a 1600' verticle for some turns. It's routine
for me to hike a mile out of bounds for some turns after I've gotten off the
top of the tram. And I consider myself out of shape this season. There's
another thing going on here as well. Ibuprophen interferes with the body's
natural repair process. Constant use of Ibuprophen to relieve muscle pain
from physical exercise results in exaserbation of the lack of conditioning
that causes the muscle pain in the first place.

So that's the substance of my argument. Nice talking with you.


You've both got good theories, but neither matches the evidence.
Whether I'm yoyoing the groomers on a 500' molehill with a detachable
quad, doing laps of the Whistler bowl, flailing my way through the
"xtreem limits" at CB, Aspen Highlands, wherever, I just about ALWAYS
rack up more vertical in a day than I do at Bohemia, (the lifts are
slow, I tend to burn out earlier in the day, and if I'm hitting the
steeper terrain, then there's time spent waiting for the bus to come
by).

As for conditioning, while I certainly don't claim to be in JHAF
studbomb condition, I am definitely in my best shape since I was a
teenager. Seems like if it's conditioning, it should affect me more
on a Real Mountain, right? But it doesn't. Thanks for the tip on
the ibu, but I just don't take it that often; we're talking like 800mg
total over the 3-day weekend, and it's rare for me to take it at all
(like not for several weeks at a stretch).

The mystery remains....that little hill just kicks my butt like
nowhere else I've been.

bw

 




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