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Old September 22nd 03, 10:37 AM
Greg Hilton
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Has anyone skied the opening weekend in previous years? How's the
snow/amount of runs been?

regards,

greg
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Old September 22nd 03, 10:47 AM
Ian Spare
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:37:11 GMT, Greg Hilton wrote:

Has anyone skied the opening weekend in previous years? How's the
snow/amount of runs been?


Yes, every year for several years, and the closing weekend as well.
Snow's fines as a rule, but who can tell? The amount of runs is just
fine, the Tignes side is not as open as it could be generally,
normally the links to Val are fine and the Motte is open but nothing
else. I find this annoying, they charge normal rates (OK, last seasons
generally) and close, what, 20% of the area ?

29th Nov this year but I guess you knew that.


regards,

greg


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Old September 22nd 03, 12:01 PM
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"Ian Spare" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:37:11 GMT, Greg Hilton wrote:

Has anyone skied the opening weekend in previous years? How's the
snow/amount of runs been?


Yes, every year for several years, and the closing weekend as well.


Mebbe see you on the slopes then, we'll be there, all being well.

Pete
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Old September 22nd 03, 01:51 PM
Ian Spare
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 14:01:46 +0200, "PG"
wrote:


"Ian Spare" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:37:11 GMT, Greg Hilton wrote:

Has anyone skied the opening weekend in previous years? How's the
snow/amount of runs been?


Yes, every year for several years, and the closing weekend as well.


Mebbe see you on the slopes then, we'll be there, all being well.


Sure thing, I was just thinking about it actually, I'm thinking of
taking a long weekend if the snow's any good and this summer ever
ends. Still, I'm sure it'll be better than a poke in the eye etc.

Ian
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Yeah, because you never know when the value of 2^15 will change and
you have to go through all your code fixing it.
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Old September 23rd 03, 08:01 PM
David Off
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PG wrote:

Mebbe see you on the slopes then, we'll be there, all being well.


Bet you are glad you didn't move into one of those empty chalet's in
Grand Bornand. I see one of the reasons for the mechanic guy has
allegedly given for killing 5 members of the Flactif family was that
their daughter was a very successful skier and was beating all the local
kids in competitions. Oh that and Monsieur Flactif's lucrative business
selling chalets to English tourists.

david

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Old September 24th 03, 05:34 AM
PG
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"David Off" wrote in message
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PG wrote:

Mebbe see you on the slopes then, we'll be there, all being well.


Bet you are glad you didn't move into one of those empty chalet's in
Grand Bornand. I see one of the reasons for the mechanic guy has
allegedly given for killing 5 members of the Flactif family was that
their daughter was a very successful skier and was beating all the

local
kids in competitions. Oh that and Monsieur Flactif's lucrative

business
selling chalets to English tourists.


The younger daughter had potential. She was at the Nationals (Coq d'Or)
with mine in Alpe d'Huez, just a couple of months before the family
disappeared. Horrific.

And selling chalets to the Brits... funny you should mention that ....

Pete


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Old September 24th 03, 07:25 PM
David Off
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PG wrote:

The younger daughter had potential. She was at the Nationals (Coq d'Or)
with mine in Alpe d'Huez, just a couple of months before the family
disappeared. Horrific.


I remember you were at l'alpe d'Huez. Laetitia Flactif is the daughter
who was talented at skiing and had aroused some jealousy amongst the locals.

There is a haunting picture in Paris Match of the parents and kids in
their ski gear at Grand Bornand.

Can you imagine? Killing the whole family and dumping their bodies in a
ravine then moving in to one of their chalets? Shocking. I should
mention that the alleged murderer (I think he has admitted it) is not
from Grand Bornard but from the North. But apparently, like an Agatha
Christie novel, the police had no shortage of locals who were in the frame.

With land prices doubling over the last couple of years you can maybe
understand that this arouses strong passions when outsiders move into a
fairly closed mountain community.


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Old September 24th 03, 08:46 PM
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"David Off" wrote in message
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PG wrote:

The younger daughter had potential. She was at the Nationals (Coq

d'Or)
with mine in Alpe d'Huez, just a couple of months before the family
disappeared. Horrific.


I remember you were at l'alpe d'Huez. Laetitia Flactif is the

daughter
who was talented at skiing and had aroused some jealousy amongst the

locals.

A month short of her tenth birthday when it happened. Sarah just 11.
There are some really sick people about.

/.../

With land prices doubling over the last couple of years you can maybe
understand that this arouses strong passions when outsiders move into

a
fairly closed mountain community.


There's plenty of resentment these days, even in the Dordogne where
locals are begining to lose patience with the Brits moving in and acting
as if they own the place. Prices have been rocketing - perhaps the
relaxation of planning regulations in 2004 will help.

Overheard in a bar in St Foy the other week, some town hall officials
and a couple of locals discussing the fate of a large property that had
just come on the market. ".... Just so long as the English don't get
their hands on it......"

Pete


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Old September 24th 03, 09:52 PM
David Off
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PG wrote:

There's plenty of resentment these days, even in the Dordogne where
locals are begining to lose patience with the Brits moving in and acting
as if they own the place.


They do own the place!*!


Prices have been rocketing - perhaps the
relaxation of planning regulations in 2004 will help.


Dunno about that, planning regulations depend a lot on how well you know
the local mayor in my experience. From 2004 the property taxation
regime will change with a 26% tax on capital gains being levied directly
on the sale of property. Along with Notaires fees and other taxes this
will make some difference. This will surprise a lot of foreign property
investors in France. Maybe Ian knows some ways around this like
ownership though an Isle of Mann company?

It is also a pain in the a*se as it will be even harder to move house to
find work.

Overheard in a bar in St Foy the other week, some town hall officials
and a couple of locals discussing the fate of a large property that had
just come on the market. ".... Just so long as the English don't get
their hands on it......"


There is another issue, many UK 'mountain' businesses only employ UK
based staff on short term contracts. This way they avoid some local
labour regulations and don't pay French National Insurance rates. Local
businesses are not happy to say the least.

But I blame the French government. They have created a dependency
culture in France where vast sections of the population receive state
aid, from engineering giants Alsthom to the 3 million or so civil
servants to farmers to overgenerous unemployment packages. This has
been in part financed through the EU - as I reported on my Web site last
year 85% of the budget for snow canons in the Southern French alpes
comes from EU funds - that is the UK tax payer is paying for snow canons
to be put in to ski stations with dubious economic benefits. Maybe it
is only fair that British people get something in return?

Anyway the whole dependency culture has completely impoverished the
nation (social security budget 11 billion Euros in the red this year),
to the extent where people can't even afford to buy property in the own
country.

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Old September 25th 03, 06:29 AM
Ian Spare
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On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 23:52:22 +0200, David Off
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Dunno about that, planning regulations depend a lot on how well you know
the local mayor in my experience. From 2004 the property taxation
regime will change with a 26% tax on capital gains being levied directly
on the sale of property. Along with Notaires fees and other taxes this
will make some difference. This will surprise a lot of foreign property
investors in France. Maybe Ian knows some ways around this like
ownership though an Isle of Mann company?


Channel Islands and the Cayman is my preferred option :-) I presume
they'll be some rollover provision though so that'll be a chink to
slide into to. Failing that anyone selling just before the tax takes
effect is going to be open to offers :-)


But I blame the French government. They have created a dependency
culture in France where vast sections of the population receive state
aid, from engineering giants Alsthom to the 3 million or so civil


oh. a little bit of politics, I'd say it was totally up to the French
how they want to run their country but I'd question whether it's
consistent with EU membership (I'm thinking of their atitude to
breaching the Stability and Growth pact) and who exactly's going to
footing the bill. You'd have to say it's hardly different in Germany
despite their self-image.


Anyway the whole dependency culture has completely impoverished the
nation (social security budget 11 billion Euros in the red this year),
to the extent where people can't even afford to buy property in the own
country.


That's a different story, there's plenty of people in the UK who can't
afford to buy property as there is here in Switzerland.

 




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