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First off, I'd just like to thank you for looking at this and
attempting to help me out. Recently, I visited a ski/snowboarding specialty store. I looked specifically at a Burton Dominant Slick. Based on my height, (5'9") weight, (148lbs) and riding style (Park and Downhill riding) a board in the 153cm-157cm area would be the best fit for me. Thusly, I thought the 154cm model of the board was the ideal fit for me. However, the tech-guy at the store told me that the boards handle like they're 5cm longer than they actually are (due to either a longer effective edge or a longer running length---I forget which he said.) The running length of the board is 1110mm and the effective edge is 1155mm. I found that these lengths seem to be the same as most other boards of the same length. He then stated the 150cm model would handle more like a 155cm board ,so I should probably go with that one. The suggested rider weight for the board is in my weight range which is 135-165 lbs, and even though the board doesn't go up to my chin (it's about 2cm below it), he said it would handle as well as a longer board and react on jumps like a short board. Is this board to short or the right size? Also, I'm only 15 years old and I need a board to grow into for next season as well. So far, except for the weight range part(the 154cm boards' weight range is 150lbs-200lbs so it's based on a person heavier than I am), I haven't found any evidence to back his statement up. Did the guy somehow mess up the specs of the board or is the 150cm model the best fit for me? Please respond quickly because if the board is too small, I only have until 11/10/03 to take back the board before they won't accept my return. Sincerely, John O. |
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John I would say that I don't think the tech guy knows what he's
talking about and you are right. Was the board on sale? Better have been a great deal. From my knowledge, there are basically three things that control the main feel of the board - the effective edge, the stiffness, and the flex pattern. From what I've seen, the Burton Dominant seems to say "get a LONGER board" on all of them. Let's go through them. Effective edge - the effective edge is essentially how much of the board will be in contact with the snow during a carve... the longer the edge, the more weight/force the board can support. The effective edge for the Burton Dominant models are not particular long. My Neversummer Evo (park/pipe board) 155 has an effective edge of 121 cm compared to the Burton Dominant's 115.5 cm. In fact the Neversummer Evo 151 still has an effective edge of 118 cm. I'm 5'8" 145 and I like to ride 154-156 after 150-152 felt like it couldn't keep up with me at higher speed (would start to chatter). Stiffness - the stiffness as I'm defining it, is essentially a measure of how much energy it will take to bend a board a particular amount. It is controlled by the materials (wood, carbon fiber, foam) and construction of the board. It is also controlled by the length of the board, the longer the board of the same material, the more energy is can soak up along it's entire length. If a board is not stiff enough, it will overflex and flap when the weight and speed combination creates too much force on it, making it wobble and chatter unstabily. If a board is too stiff, it will not bend enough (it needs to make a nice arcs curve for you to carve properly) and the board will feel unwieldy. I happen to ride very aggressively and so I have a very stiff Salomon 156 Definition as my freeride board. Most Burtons are much softer and the Dominant is a (6 out of 10) in stiffness on the Burton website. Because the length of a board is a basic measure of it's stiffness and effective edge, that is usually what is used for judging (this simply things) what size board is good for you. However, the stiffness along the length of the board is not uniform most of the time. This distribution, called the flex patten also affect how the board feels. The stiffer the nose (front) of the board is, the easier it is to ride through choppy crud type snow, however at the cost of a little responsiveness. The softer a board is between the feet, the easier it is to ollie and jib with, however... at the cost stability at higher "energy" levels (combination of rider weight and speed). If you actually put down the length (155/156), waist(25/25.1), effective edge (121/120) and sidecut (800/810) of my Evo and Definition side by side. They are almost exactly the same... but the Evo totally feels like a quick and snappy freestyle board, and the Definition feels like a very solid and stable freeride board - it's like night and day. There are about 14 reviews in the link below that I've read and all of them talk about how soft and flexy the board is especially between the bindings This is *specifically* a specialized rail/jibbing board with recess sidewalls and reinforced edges and base for banging on rails (ironic since the Burton warranty doesn't cover rails or jibbing damage) You know that right? only for park, not good for fast carves or powder)... to me that means you will need a longer board to support your weight. http://www.outdoorreview.com/Snowboa...0_4193crx.aspx My opinion: A 154 would be good, but you probably go up to 157. It will be a little stiff at first, but if you gain in weight and strength you should easily handle it. I ride a Neversummer Evo 154 for park and pipe and a very stiff Salomon 156 Definition as my freeride board. I actually don't think the Burton Dominant is a good board for you - it would be like riding one of those little BMX trick bikes for your regular ride. I mean looking at it, it has RECESSED sidewalls for rails. First that's a gimmick in my opinion (like training wheels since you can definitely ride rails on a regular board), second it will seriously screw you outside of the park. It would be like deflating the tires on your bike to make landing jumps softer or something (note I know very little about BMX bike tricks). If you have to go with a Burton... I suggest the Custom, it's a very good standard board... get a 152 at least. It is a bit more expensive. I happen to like Neversummer Evo and all of the higher end Salomon boards (have had 3 in 6 years) originally in price (should be able to get last year's model for like 40% off). The Ride Timeless was pretty good too. Then there's also a Donek Incline, which I'm thinking about getting Reply or email if you have anymore questions. (Lee) wrote in message . com... First off, I'd just like to thank you for looking at this and attempting to help me out. Recently, I visited a ski/snowboarding specialty store. I looked specifically at a Burton Dominant Slick. Based on my height, (5'9") weight, (148lbs) and riding style (Park and Downhill riding) a board in the 153cm-157cm area would be the best fit for me. Thusly, I thought the 154cm model of the board was the ideal fit for me. However, the tech-guy at the store told me that the boards handle like they're 5cm longer than they actually are (due to either a longer effective edge or a longer running length---I forget which he said.) The running length of the board is 1110mm and the effective edge is 1155mm. I found that these lengths seem to be the same as most other boards of the same length. He then stated the 150cm model would handle more like a 155cm board ,so I should probably go with that one. The suggested rider weight for the board is in my weight range which is 135-165 lbs, and even though the board doesn't go up to my chin (it's about 2cm below it), he said it would handle as well as a longer board and react on jumps like a short board. Is this board to short or the right size? Also, I'm only 15 years old and I need a board to grow into for next season as well. So far, except for the weight range part(the 154cm boards' weight range is 150lbs-200lbs so it's based on a person heavier than I am), I haven't found any evidence to back his statement up. Did the guy somehow mess up the specs of the board or is the 150cm model the best fit for me? Please respond quickly because if the board is too small, I only have until 11/10/03 to take back the board before they won't accept my return. Sincerely, John O. |
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Arvin Chang wrote:
John I would say that I don't think the tech guy knows what he's talking about and you are right. Was the board on sale? Better have been a great deal. From my knowledge, there are basically three things that control the main feel of the board - the effective edge, the stiffness, and the flex pattern. From what I've seen, the Burton Dominant seems to say "get a LONGER board" on all of them. Let's go through them. Effective edge - the effective edge is essentially how much of the board will be in contact with the snow during a carve... the longer the edge, the more weight/force the board can support. The effective [snip] Great stuff, Arvin. That's service for ya! -- IainD at ukme dot me dot uk |
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Lee,
First thing to remember is that the Slick is a very specialised bit of kit made for jibbing and that's pretty much it. Therefore they are supposed to be relatively short when compared with the 'average' size board. If jibbings all you do and you're middling in terms of how aggresive you ride, then (according to the specs on burton's site) you've got the right size board for the job. However, (surprise surprise) if you're wanting something a bit more all-round, then I'd suggest chucking it and maybe going for the larger size standard Dominant? Certainly the board of choice round my neck of the woods this year, (but seeing as that is jumps/rails at the local dryslope, that's not so much of a surprise). You'll have to ride it a bit harder to get the best out of it, but it will certainly work as more of an all-rounder and should have a bit of 'grow' in it. Bottom line - if you're not 100% happy and don't just jib till it's coming out of yer ears, I'd say ditch it and let your hard-earned fight another day. Hope that helps Mike "Lee" wrote in message om... First off, I'd just like to thank you for looking at this and attempting to help me out. Recently, I visited a ski/snowboarding specialty store. I looked specifically at a Burton Dominant Slick. Based on my height, (5'9") weight, (148lbs) and riding style (Park and Downhill riding) a board in the 153cm-157cm area would be the best fit for me. Thusly, I thought the 154cm model of the board was the ideal fit for me. However, the tech-guy at the store told me that the boards handle like they're 5cm longer than they actually are (due to either a longer effective edge or a longer running length---I forget which he said.) The running length of the board is 1110mm and the effective edge is 1155mm. I found that these lengths seem to be the same as most other boards of the same length. He then stated the 150cm model would handle more like a 155cm board ,so I should probably go with that one. The suggested rider weight for the board is in my weight range which is 135-165 lbs, and even though the board doesn't go up to my chin (it's about 2cm below it), he said it would handle as well as a longer board and react on jumps like a short board. Is this board to short or the right size? Also, I'm only 15 years old and I need a board to grow into for next season as well. So far, except for the weight range part(the 154cm boards' weight range is 150lbs-200lbs so it's based on a person heavier than I am), I haven't found any evidence to back his statement up. Did the guy somehow mess up the specs of the board or is the 150cm model the best fit for me? Please respond quickly because if the board is too small, I only have until 11/10/03 to take back the board before they won't accept my return. Sincerely, John O. |
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