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AstroPax wrote:
Anyway, mostly dragging the Utah numbers down are the anti-military, left wing liberal, pro ACLU, pro NAMBLA, pro PETA, pro Cindy Sheehan voters in Summit County (Park City). Are you sure you're not conflating anti-war with anti-military or are the residents of Summit County such strict constructionists that they feel the .mil is unconstitutional? It's difficult for me to believe Summit County - or any county for that matter - is pro-NAMBLA. Could you offer some supporting evidence? Personally I think PETA is a little extreme - fish, for example lack the necessary mechanisms for pain transmission despite PETA's claims to the contrary, but they don't turn down the volume on my Ramones so what do I care. Cindy Sheehan is a grieving mother and the ACLU combats .gov infringements on liberty so I certainly won't rip either one of them. If your conjecture is correct - the only thing dragging the Utah numbers down are the residents of Summit County, then I'm left to wonder what Bush would have to do to lose the faithful throughout the rest of Utah - a hummer by an intern, perhaps? |
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AstroPax wrote:
On 22 Nov 2005 11:19:28 -0800, "Tom" wrote: Did I make a political point? I believe it a fact that Utah still supports Bush at a high level. http://tinyurl.com/csnlh True. As a matter of fact, Utah is probably *the* most republican leaning and conservative state in the union. I could belive that, but of the people I actually met out when I was there were a higher proportion of left wing anti-war people compared to all the other places I went to in the states. Most unreliable survey ever, or just too many right wing mormons who one would never meet out? |
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AstroPax wrote:
On 22 Nov 2005 11:19:28 -0800, "Tom" wrote: Did I make a political point? I believe it a fact that Utah still supports Bush at a high level. http://tinyurl.com/csnlh True. As a matter of fact, Utah is probably *the* most republican leaning and conservative state in the union. However, with the continuing influx of asshole's from places such as California, and illegal's from Mexico, the inevitable demographic shift will, without a doubt, eventually affect the political equation. But it will take awhile. Anyway, mostly dragging the Utah numbers down are the anti-military, left wing liberal, pro ACLU, pro NAMBLA, pro PETA, pro Cindy Sheehan voters in Summit County (Park City). Well, if Utah goes the way of the infidel, you can always move to South Carolina: http://www.christianexodus.com/ Enjoy! //Walt |
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Walt wrote:
AstroPax wrote: On 22 Nov 2005 11:19:28 -0800, "Tom" wrote: Did I make a political point? I believe it a fact that Utah still supports Bush at a high level. http://tinyurl.com/csnlh True. As a matter of fact, Utah is probably *the* most republican leaning and conservative state in the union. However, with the continuing influx of asshole's from places such as California, and illegal's from Mexico, the inevitable demographic shift will, without a doubt, eventually affect the political equation. But it will take awhile. Anyway, mostly dragging the Utah numbers down are the anti-military, left wing liberal, pro ACLU, pro NAMBLA, pro PETA, pro Cindy Sheehan voters in Summit County (Park City). Well, if Utah goes the way of the infidel, you can always move to South Carolina: http://www.christianexodus.com/ Enjoy! Oh, I love it. Quote the first amendment in your logo and then go on to state your expressed agenda is to "return" Christian values to government. Oh, the hubris!!! The irony meter doesn't just get pinned, it gets blasted off the face of the dial. |
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AstroPax wrote:
Anyway, mostly dragging the Utah numbers down are the anti-military, left wing liberal, pro ACLU, pro NAMBLA, pro PETA, pro Cindy Sheehan voters in Summit County (Park City). That's weird. I lived in Park City for 13 years and never met one single anti-military, left wing liberal, pro ACLU, pro NAMBLA, pro PETA, pro Cindy Sheehan voter. What kind of folks are you associating with? Polygamists? -klaus |
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Walt wrote:
Well, if Utah goes the way of the infidel, you can always move to South Carolina: http://www.christianexodus.com/ Enjoy! Walt's link references a WND article: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35420 That article details supposed attacks on Christianity, including this ditty: "In Missouri, when fourth-grader Raymond Raines bowed his head in prayer before his lunch in the cafeteria of Waring Elementary School in St. Louis, his teacher allegedly ordered him out of his seat, in full view of other students present, and sent him to the principal's office. After his third such prayer "offense," little Raymond was segregated from his classmates, ridiculed for his religious beliefs, and given one week's detention." It seemed sketchy so I looked for original sources. It appears to be based on an American Enterprise story that references this case: "Raines v. Cleveland Young (1994) Raymond Raines, an elementary school student in St. Louis, Missouri, was placed in a week-long detention for bowing his head over his lunch. School officials interrupted the fourth grader on at least three separate occasions when he attempted to say a private prayer over his lunch in the Waring School cafeteria. On each occasion, Raines was taken to the principal's office and told to stop praying over his lunch." I can find no original sources that reference Raines v. Cleveland Young. I suspect neither can American Enterprise. They deleted it from their website. I was able to source it thanks to Google cache: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:HlSFnOoD3iQJ:www.taemag.com/printVersion/print_article.asp%3FarticleID%3D16467+%22Raymond+R aines%22+prayer&hl=en&lr=lang_en|lang_de If this is indeed an actual case, I'd love to see the majority opinion. Jeff |
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klaus wrote: AstroPax wrote: Anyway, mostly dragging the Utah numbers down are the anti-military, left wing liberal, pro ACLU, pro NAMBLA, pro PETA, pro Cindy Sheehan voters in Summit County (Park City). That's weird. I lived in Park City for 13 years and never met one single anti-military, left wing liberal, pro ACLU, pro NAMBLA, pro PETA, pro Cindy Sheehan voter. What kind of folks are you associating with? Polygamists? -klaus It's my understanding polygamists are the conservative Utahans [sic] |
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Tom wrote:
Thanks. Things do appear to be looking up for this weekend... Did I make a political point? I believe it a fact that Utah still supports Bush at a high level. http://tinyurl.com/csnlh Amusingly, it is the inverse of Pennsylvania http://tinyurl.com/83t5o But, no I really don't think Ullr is punishing Utah. I mean, look at how much snow Texas gets. With exceptions in Utah and Idaho, America sure looks blue http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/23/13222/916 Jeff |
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Jeff wrote:
klaus wrote: AstroPax wrote: Anyway, mostly dragging the Utah numbers down are the anti-military, left wing liberal, pro ACLU, pro NAMBLA, pro PETA, pro Cindy Sheehan voters in Summit County (Park City). That's weird. I lived in Park City for 13 years and never met one single anti-military, left wing liberal, pro ACLU, pro NAMBLA, pro PETA, pro Cindy Sheehan voter. What kind of folks are you associating with? Polygamists? -klaus It's my understanding polygamists are the conservative Utahans [sic] That's the weird part. They fit that description given by Astro better than the Park City liberals. You have to kind of take Astro's views in context of his other posts. In his world, if you are at all liberal or democrat, you support all those things he lists above, as well as Satan, Rocky Anderson(who may or may not be Satan), same for Clinton, and terrorists. He either sees only black and white, or needs a straw man to have a position. Just like the repubilican majority, although he *is* an independent. We'll see more of this as the current administration unravels. The christian Jihad will continue to grasp at straw men while claiming to be impartial and independent. We may even get a republican congressdroid calling a decorated war veteran a coward and then when people take her to task, she'll claim they are making personal attacks. No ****. I.R.O.N.Y.. "I have been attacked very personally, continuously since Friday evening."; http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10169562/from/RS.2/ Whine, whine. "They're saying mean things about me because I got caught in a lie and attacked a decorated veteran as a coward. How could they be so shallow?" Talk about anti-military. Sounds familiar though. Remember whatthey said about Kerry? It's the only defense against when soldiers call bull**** on an adminstration whose leader got the rich man's out. Divert to a straw man. Have a look at Astro's posts. All talking points are dismissed without comment and a straw man is attacked. Very republican for an independent. I think they're going undercover. I'll take a Sheehan over a Schmidt any day. -klaus |
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On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:46:04 GMT, bdubya
wrote: Well, looks like NW Michigan is getting off to a good start. That doesn't help, I know, but it's still good news. Not to keep flogging a midget horse, but http://www.caberfaepeaks.com/photogallerysnowmaking.htm Looks better than usual for this time o'year. Much better. bw |
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