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First RS ride: first ticket
While waiting for the bicycle roads to be cleaned out of the winter
sand and gravel, I went on a 1 km asphalted loop located on the Abrabham Plain park in Quebec City. This loop welcomes inline skaters. I put my rollerskis on and rollerskated with poles for the first time on this loop. The park police caught me up after six loops, and asked that I shall not use my poles on this track because it wears out asphalt (made with fine sand the guy said) by the pole punching. The park official even showed me a warning sign the park put close to the track forbidding using poles (a cross going across poles!). Although I know some bikers, along with some city officials, forbid the use of the bike or inlineskate roads by rollerskiers because we scrap "their" bitumen with our poles, I really wonder if there is any sound, scientific truth that backs their theory, or is it only because they are scared by the sharp ferrules or the strangeness of seeing someone skiing in the warm season (who is fool enough to miss winter?)... So, is it true that poles with carbon steel tips wears out asphalt? Has anyone come across any study on the impact of pole ferrules on asphalt, and by how much it wears it? Rock |
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On Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:35:32 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
or the strangeness of seeing That's it. |
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On Apr 25, 8:35*am, wrote:
While waiting for the bicycle roads to be cleaned out of the winter sand and gravel, I went on a 1 km asphalted loop located on the Abrabham Plain park in Quebec City. This loop welcomes inline skaters. I put my rollerskis on and rollerskated with poles for the first time on this loop. The park police caught me up after six loops, and asked that I shall not use my poles on this track because it wears out asphalt (made with fine sand the guy said) by the pole punching. The park official even showed me a warning sign the park put close to the track forbidding using poles (a cross going across poles!). Although I know some bikers, along with some city officials, forbid the use of the bike or inlineskate roads by rollerskiers because we scrap "their" bitumen with our poles, I really wonder if there is any sound, scientific truth that backs their theory, or is it only because they are scared by the sharp ferrules or the strangeness of seeing someone skiing in the warm season (who is fool enough to miss winter?)... So, is it true that poles with carbon steel tips wears out asphalt? Has anyone come across any study on the impact of pole ferrules on asphalt, and by how much it wears it? Rock The pavement durability will be dependent on the aggregate. The asphalt is only a binder holding the rock, sand etc together. If the pavement doesn't have hard rock (only sand), the ferrule tips will likely displace the soft asphalt resulting in greater wear to the surface. As Gene notes, this will be amplified when the asphalt is hot because it will be softer. |
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On Apr 25, 4:02*pm, wrote:
On Apr 25, 8:35*am, wrote: While waiting for the bicycle roads to be cleaned out of the winter sand and gravel, I went on a 1 km asphalted loop located on the Abrabham Plain park in Quebec City. This loop welcomes inline skaters. I put my rollerskis on and rollerskated with poles for the first time on this loop. The park police caught me up after six loops, and asked that I shall not use my poles on this track because it wears out asphalt (made with fine sand the guy said) by the pole punching. The park official even showed me a warning sign the park put close to the track forbidding using poles (a cross going across poles!). Although I know some bikers, along with some city officials, forbid the use of the bike or inlineskate roads by rollerskiers because we scrap "their" bitumen with our poles, I really wonder if there is any sound, scientific truth that backs their theory, or is it only because they are scared by the sharp ferrules or the strangeness of seeing someone skiing in the warm season (who is fool enough to miss winter?)... So, is it true that poles with carbon steel tips wears out asphalt? Has anyone come across any study on the impact of pole ferrules on asphalt, and by how much it wears it? Rock The pavement durability will be dependent on the aggregate. *The asphalt is only a binder holding the rock, sand etc together. *If the pavement doesn't have hard rock (only sand), the ferrule tips will likely displace the soft asphalt resulting in greater wear to the surface. *As Gene notes, this will be amplified when the asphalt is hot because it will be softer. if there were 1000s of rollerskiers using the path - may be. Otherwise - b.s. |
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On Apr 25, 7:14*pm, wrote:
On Apr 25, 4:02*pm, wrote: On Apr 25, 8:35*am, wrote: While waiting for the bicycle roads to be cleaned out of the winter sand and gravel, I went on a 1 km asphalted loop located on the Abrabham Plain park in Quebec City. This loop welcomes inline skaters.. I put my rollerskis on and rollerskated with poles for the first time on this loop. The park police caught me up after six loops, and asked that I shall not use my poles on this track because it wears out asphalt (made with fine sand the guy said) by the pole punching. The park official even showed me a warning sign the park put close to the track forbidding using poles (a cross going across poles!). Although I know some bikers, along with some city officials, forbid the use of the bike or inlineskate roads by rollerskiers because we scrap "their" bitumen with our poles, I really wonder if there is any sound, scientific truth that backs their theory, or is it only because they are scared by the sharp ferrules or the strangeness of seeing someone skiing in the warm season (who is fool enough to miss winter?)... So, is it true that poles with carbon steel tips wears out asphalt? Has anyone come across any study on the impact of pole ferrules on asphalt, and by how much it wears it? Rock The pavement durability will be dependent on the aggregate. *The asphalt is only a binder holding the rock, sand etc together. *If the pavement doesn't have hard rock (only sand), the ferrule tips will likely displace the soft asphalt resulting in greater wear to the surface. *As Gene notes, this will be amplified when the asphalt is hot because it will be softer. if there were 1000s of rollerskiers using the path - may be. Otherwise - b.s.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That may indeed be true,but are you saying the rule is BS because you don't think the level of use would be detrimental to the trail? If so, how do you know? |
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On Apr 25, 7:35*am, wrote:
While waiting for the bicycle roads to be cleaned out of the winter sand and gravel, I went on a 1 km asphalted loop located on the Abrabham Plain park in Quebec City. This loop welcomes inline skaters. I put my rollerskis on and rollerskated with poles for the first time on this loop. The park police caught me up after six loops, and asked that I shall not use my poles on this track because it wears out asphalt (made with fine sand the guy said) by the pole punching. The park official even showed me a warning sign the park put close to the track forbidding using poles (a cross going across poles!). Although I know some bikers, along with some city officials, forbid the use of the bike or inlineskate roads by rollerskiers because we scrap "their" bitumen with our poles, I really wonder if there is any sound, scientific truth that backs their theory, or is it only because they are scared by the sharp ferrules or the strangeness of seeing someone skiing in the warm season (who is fool enough to miss winter?)... So, is it true that poles with carbon steel tips wears out asphalt? Has anyone come across any study on the impact of pole ferrules on asphalt, and by how much it wears it? Rock Did you get a ticket/fine? Were you now aware of the prohibition against using poles? If so, what did you expect? |
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That may indeed be true,but are you saying the rule is BS because you
don't think the level of use would be detrimental to the trail? *If so, how do you know? I am not saying that the rule is BS, I am just asking whether a carbide tip really punches the pavement. My own observations, at temperatures 25 °C, is that my poles don't poke the pavement. That's all. I was not aware of the rules, only that rollerskiers are seldom welcome on bicycle/rollerblade roads, and the main reason I heard of was because of the sharp poles. Rock |
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Could it be that such rules are meant to be protective of cyclists and
bladers? In a sense, many of them need it, given how blase to stupid many (majority?) of them get around rollerskiers. Gene wrote: That may indeed be true,but are you saying the rule is BS because you don't think the level of use would be detrimental to the trail? *If so, how do you know? I am not saying that the rule is BS, I am just asking whether a carbide tip really punches the pavement. My own observations, at temperatures 25 °C, is that my poles don't poke the pavement. That's all. I was not aware of the rules, only that rollerskiers are seldom welcome on bicycle/rollerblade roads, and the main reason I heard of was because of the sharp poles. Rock |
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On Apr 25, 11:35*am, wrote:
So, is it true that poles with carbon steel tips wears out asphalt? Carbide tips are harder than asphalt and they will "wear" on the pavement surface. Asphalt is mixed in different "types" largely based on aggregate size and wear / ride characteristics. If you look at a road surface where snowmobiles travel, you can see the impact their carbide tipped studs have. Based on my experience, road surfaces usually wear out due to the extreme freeze-thaw cycles that they undergo. Most state DOT's ban the use of studded tires after May 1st to limit damage to the pavement during warm weather months. Carbide tipped hiking poles also mark rock surfaces, which you can see on some mountain tops. That said, the actual wear on a paved surface from RS poles has gotta be quite small simply based on the low numbers of RS users. I'm curious if the park police ban the use of nordic walking poles? - Bob |
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