You'll never believe how Schattie describes himself!!

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:52:34 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote this crap:

On 04/03/2015 08:17 PM, Dave Stallard wrote:
On Friday, April 3, 2015 at 1:10:16 PM UTC-4, Alan Baker wrote:

Until http "came along" there was no world wide web. The World Wide
Web was created by http and html.

That is correct. Though of course the Internet itself did exist
before then, and there were other protocols that ran on top of it,
such as FTP, Gopher (whatever that was), SMTP (email), and NNTP
(Usenet).

Gopher was a search mechanism/program. Entities that wanted to share
information would put it on a gopher server, which was searchable by
anybody running gopher, which was pretty much everybody with a shell
account. There were also Archie and Veronica, but I don't remember the
details.

I do. Archie and Veronica were friends with Jughead, Reggie, and
Betty.


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On 04/04/2015 18:48, The Real Bev wrote:

I wrote FORTRAN on punch cards too, big deal.

I used to write COBOL on punched cards too. Turnround from punch room
was always at least a day and writing clearly on those coding forms was
always a pain, so I used to scribble the code on sheets of scrap paper
and punch the cards myself. Much quicker, except that of course I didn't
put sequence numbers in cols 73-80. I only dropped a full 2000 card box
once.....

On 4/4/15 1:38 PM, BrritSki wrote:
I didn't put sequence numbers in cols 73-80. I only dropped a full 2000
card box once.....

The first thing you learn is to diagonally ink mark the cards for a
visual indicator of order.

I still have, in my collection of useless souvenirs of an illustrious
life, a box of punch cards containing a Pascal Compiler for a 360 (IIRC)
received from Klaus Wirth's very own hands. Useless, as I said, but I
spent many a workweek petting and massaging boxes of such cards. I
figure keeping them is like having a fondly remembered pet dog stuffed
in the corner of the den.

Punch cards were a step up from paper tape. I calculated and provided
Vandenberg Titan launch parameters on paper tape in my first real job.
Doesn't seem like the Titan long time mainstay launch vehicle would be
that old.

On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:48:42 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote this crap:

On 04/03/2015 06:17 PM, wrote:

You're the only person I know that has her birth certificate on clay
tablets.

You're so old that you have an autographed copy of the Bible.

You're so old that when God said, "Let there be light," you said,
"About damn time."

Again, :-)

Life was a lot simpler then.

I was on usenet in the mid 70's. Life sucked back then. I had to
write programs on punch cards. there was only one IBM360 in the whole
city. Today, my cable remote has more computing ability.

I wrote FORTRAN on punch cards too, big deal. Univac 1108 at JPL. I
think they got rid of their card reading/writing stuff only within the
last decade.

Decade? It was in the 70's when the last card reader was gone. That
was almost 50 years ago. You DO have your birth certificate written
on clay tablets.

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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:38:08 +0200, BrritSki
wrote this crap:

On 04/04/2015 18:48, The Real Bev wrote:

I wrote FORTRAN on punch cards too, big deal.

I used to write COBOL on punched cards too.

We laughed at COBOL back then.

Turnround from punch room
was always at least a day

We were more modern. Turnaround time was about four hours.

and writing clearly on those coding forms was
always a pain, so I used to scribble the code on sheets of scrap paper
and punch the cards myself. Much quicker, except that of course I didn't
put sequence numbers in cols 73-80. I only dropped a full 2000 card box
once.....

I remember a guy who dropped in a case of 2000 cards. He got
expelled. (It wasn't me.)


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On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 14:26:22 -0700, lal_truckee
wrote this crap:

On 4/4/15 1:38 PM, BrritSki wrote:
I didn't put sequence numbers in cols 73-80. I only dropped a full 2000
card box once.....

The first thing you learn is to diagonally ink mark the cards for a
visual indicator of order.

I don't know what you mean. You don't shuffle the cards.

I still have, in my collection of useless souvenirs of an illustrious
life, a box of punch cards containing a Pascal Compiler for a 360 (IIRC)
received from Klaus Wirth's very own hands. Useless, as I said, but I
spent many a workweek petting and massaging boxes of such cards. I
figure keeping them is like having a fondly remembered pet dog stuffed
in the corner of the den.

I had a collection of cards. I must have lost them in the move.

Punch cards were a step up from paper tape. I calculated and provided
Vandenberg Titan launch parameters on paper tape in my first real job.
Doesn't seem like the Titan long time mainstay launch vehicle would be
that old.

I remember reading Baudot when I was a Lieutenant in the Army.


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On Sat, 4 Apr 2015 10:18:24 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
this crap:

On 2015-04-04 11:44:03 +0000, said:

On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 23:36:40 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
this crap:

On 2015-04-04 01:20:57 +0000, said:

On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 10:10:16 -0700, Alan Baker wrote
this crap:

On 2015-04-03 08:38:28 +0000, said:

On Thu, 2 Apr 2015 18:00:22 -0700 (PDT), Eviel Dewar
wrote this crap:

Usenet predated the WWW by over a decade.

True story. I remember when the www was only text. Before http came
along. Usenet was already old.

Until http "came along" there was no world wide web. The World Wide Web
was created by http and html.

Wrong again, baker. I still have the books that show you how to get
around by telnet.

If you had to get around by telnet, then it wasn't the World Wide Web.

Yes it was.

Nope.


The www was started in Cern.

Yes, that much is correct.

That you used telnet to access any part of the World Wide Web is nonsense.

This post be Tim Berners-Lee marks the very beginning of the Web, and
it starts with the hypertext transfer protocol.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.hypertext/eCTkkOoWTAY/bJGhZyooXzkJ

Before HTTP, there was no World Wide Web.

Period.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. The internet was created before
the Web and the WWW was created before HTTP. I used to know the exact
location of the seven root servers. But that's not important now.


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On 04/04/2015 02:26 PM, lal_truckee wrote:
On 4/4/15 1:38 PM, BrritSki wrote:
I didn't put sequence numbers in cols 73-80. I only dropped a full 2000
card box once.....

The first thing you learn is to diagonally ink mark the cards for a
visual indicator of order.

:-)

I still have, in my collection of useless souvenirs of an illustrious
life, a box of punch cards containing a Pascal Compiler for a 360 (IIRC)
received from Klaus Wirth's very own hands. Useless, as I said, but I
spent many a workweek petting and massaging boxes of such cards. I
figure keeping them is like having a fondly remembered pet dog stuffed
in the corner of the den.

If you put a C (or something else, maybe) in hole nn you could flip the
card around and make it a comment card. Useful for testing.

Punch cards were a step up from paper tape. I calculated and provided
Vandenberg Titan launch parameters on paper tape in my first real job.
Doesn't seem like the Titan long time mainstay launch vehicle would be
that old.

In the garage we have at least 6 cases (not boxes, cases) of cards on
which Allen wrote his data analysis program over one Thanksgiving
weekend in the late 1970s. It was ultimately rewritten in C and he's
been refining it ever since.


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On 04/04/2015 03:18 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 09:48:42 -0700, The Real Bev
wrote this crap:

On 04/03/2015 06:17 PM, wrote:

You're the only person I know that has her birth certificate on
clay tablets.

You're so old that you have an autographed copy of the Bible.

You're so old that when God said, "Let there be light," you
said, "About damn time."

Again, :-)

Life was a lot simpler then.

I was on usenet in the mid 70's. Life sucked back then. I had
to write programs on punch cards. there was only one IBM360 in
the whole city. Today, my cable remote has more computing
ability.

I wrote FORTRAN on punch cards too, big deal. Univac 1108 at JPL.
I think they got rid of their card reading/writing stuff only
within the last decade.

Decade? It was in the 70's when the last card reader was gone.

Not at JPL. I left in 1990 and they were still using them, or at least
still had them around. Remember when the Voyagers were launched? They
still haven't been upgraded, as far as I can tell, unless by space aliens.

That was almost 50 years ago. You DO have your birth certificate
written on clay tablets.

Why do you find this so upsetting?

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On 04/04/2015 03:22 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2015 22:38:08 +0200, BrritSki
wrote this crap:

On 04/04/2015 18:48, The Real Bev wrote:

I wrote FORTRAN on punch cards too, big deal.

I used to write COBOL on punched cards too.

We laughed at COBOL back then.

Somewhere I have a button that says "We can wipe out COBOL in our lifetime."

Turnround from punch room
was always at least a day

We were more modern. Turnaround time was about four hours.

Much less if you hung around and chatted with the operator.

and writing clearly on those coding forms was
always a pain, so I used to scribble the code on sheets of scrap paper
and punch the cards myself. Much quicker, except that of course I didn't
put sequence numbers in cols 73-80. I only dropped a full 2000 card box
once.....

I remember a guy who dropped in a case of 2000 cards. He got
expelled. (It wasn't me.)


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