Knauss out of Worlds as backup sample tests positive

"Florian Ederer" wrote in message
oups.com...
Yes, real shame about Hans Knauss. He is one of the most popular skiers
in Austria. However, I fear he (and in particular the mighty ÖSV)
might not be as innocent as I hope ...

OSV?

"lal_truckee" wrote in message
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Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such
sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to
knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a
prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with
someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops -
doesn't happen.

I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but ..

I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best shape.
Imagen swiming 30 yards then wrestle for 30 seconds and repeat over four
seven minute quarters covering roughly a mile and a half. Then hope you
don't have 2 more games that day.

I sure hope we get some good snow up in VT soon.

Stephen B.
NYC

On 2005-01-15, lal_truckee penned:

Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such sustained
physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to knock you
down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a prepared
artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with someone assigned
to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops - doesn't happen.

Oh, I don't know; mountain biking feels a lot like that sometimes =P

--
monique
Longmont, CO

Black Metal Martha wrote:

Mary Malmros wrote:

Jon C wrote:


Not to knock skiing, but a GS racer isn't exactly the athlete a

touring

cyclist is.

Not the same _kind_ of athlete. Touring cyclists, mostly, are

endurance

athletes, with that sort of wired-and-irritable-starved-greyhound

look

that all endurance athletes have. The demands of the sport on the

body

are different; the training is different. A ski racer won't do the

huge

volumes of aerobic training that a touring cyclist will; instead, in
addition to aerobic training, he/she will train for strength,

explosive

speed, balance and agility, using weights (a lot more iron than a
touring cyclist will pump), balance tools such as slackropes and the
like, or stuff like


http://www.gordbrownskiing.com/Movie...all%20Jump.WMV.

True, but there have been plenty of problems with drug/steroid use in
sprinters, whereas distance runners don't seem to have teh same
problems.

I'm not sure how this follows. John C's post raised the question of
whether doping would give any advantage to a ski racer, since a ski
racer "isn't exactly the athlete that a touring cyclist is". How does
your comment follow?

--
Mary Malmros
Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug.

Stephen B. wrote:
"lal_truckee" wrote in message
...

Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such
sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to
knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a
prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with
someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops -
doesn't happen.


I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but ..

I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best shape.

Cardio-vascular conditioning is only part of any sport. While it's a
major part of road cycling and marathoning (and as you mention water
polo players) it's of no importance whatsoever in other recognized
sports such as baseball and baseball's equivalent, tiddlywinks.

I might mention that when human powered flight (and lessor known, boats
and submarines) are attempting records it's distance cyclist the
engineers turn to for sustained power output over hours, not water polo
players (although the engineers may just not be knowledgeable.)

I think that water polo players do have a particularly unique athletic
capacity - I can't think of another sport where someone is trying to rip
your balls off as a regular part of participating.


Imagen swiming 30 yards then wrestle for 30 seconds and repeat over four
seven minute quarters covering roughly a mile and a half. Then hope you
don't have 2 more games that day.

I sure hope we get some good snow up in VT soon.

Stephen B.
NYC

"lal_truckee" wrote in message
...
Stephen B. wrote:
"lal_truckee" wrote in message
...

Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such
sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to
knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a
prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with
someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops -
doesn't happen.


I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but ..

I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best
shape.

Cardio-vascular conditioning is only part of any sport. While it's a
major part of road cycling and marathoning (and as you mention water
polo players) it's of no importance whatsoever in other recognized
sports such as baseball and baseball's equivalent, tiddlywinks.

I might mention that when human powered flight (and lessor known, boats
and submarines) are attempting records it's distance cyclist the
engineers turn to for sustained power output over hours, not water polo
players (although the engineers may just not be knowledgeable.)

Water polo players are not pure endurance athletes, yes they have to go long
distances, but it is in sprints. The 28 minutes of game time typicaly take
about an hour to play, and we keep switching muscel groups between swiming,
treading water, throwing a ball one handed (picture a vollyball).

I think that water polo players do have a particularly unique athletic
capacity - I can't think of another sport where someone is trying to rip
your balls off as a regular part of participating.

That must be why we keep the pool so cold. Shrinkage can be good ;-)

Stephen B.
NYC

"Stephen B." wrote:

"lal_truckee" wrote:

Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such
sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to
knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a
prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with
someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops -
doesn't happen.

I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but ..

I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best shape.
Imagen swiming 30 yards then wrestle for 30 seconds and repeat over four
seven minute quarters covering roughly a mile and a half. Then hope you
don't have 2 more games that day.

I've heard that motocross is the most physically demanding. From my
dirt riding days I would have to agree, although I've never tried water
polo. Having to shove double your body weight around with split-second
accuracy makes me tired just saying it. Jim? Bruno? Anybody?

I sure hope we get some good snow up in VT soon.

Lots here and the road is closed. Waaaah.

--
Cheers,
Bev
************************************************** **********
"Let them eat ****."
-- Marcel Antoinette, Marie's little-known brother

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 23:52:01 -0600, The Real Bev
wrote:

"Stephen B." wrote:

"lal_truckee" wrote:

Ski racers are phenominal atheletes. No other sport requires such
sustained physical effort while conditions are violently atttempting to
knock you down. Every other sport that comes near is performed on a
prepared artificial course; compare a bicyclist on a hill climb with
someone assigned to atempt to kick him over every 2 seconds - whoops -
doesn't happen.

I am sure that they are phenominal athleates but ..

I have always heard of water polo players having to be in the best shape.
Imagen swiming 30 yards then wrestle for 30 seconds and repeat over four
seven minute quarters covering roughly a mile and a half. Then hope you
don't have 2 more games that day.

I've heard that motocross is the most physically demanding. From my
dirt riding days I would have to agree, although I've never tried water
polo. Having to shove double your body weight around with split-second
accuracy makes me tired just saying it. Jim? Bruno? Anybody?


I've a friend that used to motocross and he goes through two packs of
cigarettes on days that he is trying to cut back.

I think that everything is sport dependent. I really that that Lance
Armstrong would be sore 'somewhere' if he spent a day on tele's.
Muscles have to learn every new sport, and then they have to relearn
every time we take time off.

nate

In article ,
The Real Bev writes:
I've heard that motocross is the most physically demanding.

I've heard it too, or that they are at the same cardio level as soc
cer players. I can ski bumps all day. After 3 hours putt putting at the
MX track I'm wiped out. Racers go at it full speed for 2 30 minutes motos.
So they have to be in shape.

Anyway, I can see that steroids would be beneficial at the top ski
racing level. During one of the world cup events at Breck I took
the chiarlift right behind Girardelli. The guy's thighs were as big as
my torso (I'm only slightly exagerating here. He was massive)
That might just be a result of his build and training. But if that's the
kind of muscle mass required to be at the top like he was, it is pretty
easy to understand that other peole would be tempted to get a bit of help...

bruno.

On 2005-01-15, uglymoney penned:

I think that everything is sport dependent. I really that that Lance
Armstrong would be sore 'somewhere' if he spent a day on tele's. Muscles
have to learn every new sport, and then they have to relearn every time we
take time off.

Absolutely. In high school, friends of mine took our martial arts instructor
skiing. His first time. Tae kwon do is a very thigh-intensive art, and
yet, after a day of skiing, he was completely wiped.


--
monique
Longmont, CO