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Opinions on BOA-type boots?
Hi there - I've got some Rossi boots that I got last year and like them
okay. However, I'd really like to get some boots that aren't such a PAIN to keep tight via liner laces/outer laces. I've started reading a bit about the BOA systems available on lots of boots now. Does anyone have input regarding the quality/effectiveness of this lacing system? Thanks in advance, and if you've had different results with different brand boots with the same system, I'd love to hear about it. Thanks! have a good day roah |
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roah wrote:
Hi there - I've got some Rossi boots that I got last year and like them okay. However, I'd really like to get some boots that aren't such a PAIN to keep tight via liner laces/outer laces. I've started reading a bit about the BOA systems available on lots of boots now. Does anyone have input regarding the quality/effectiveness of this lacing system? Thanks in advance, and if you've had different results with different brand boots with the same system, I'd love to hear about it. Thanks! have a good day roah I've also had the same curiosity you had last october when I was in store for new boots. I tried out a pair of boas and can't say that I liked them. One thing with the boas is that you can't customize the tightness. I usually like it a little looser around the toes and tight around the ankles and upnear the shins. But with the boas its either tight all around or loose all around. Another thing I found is that even though they claim to be aircraft grade steel cables, they just seem flimsy. I would not want one of those breaking mid-vacation because i wouldn't know where to look for replacements. Normal boots i could grab long laces and I'll be set. However, I did see a good compromise coming from K2. Instead of having the boa on the outside, they put it on the liner. You can tighten the liner by twisting the dial which you can reach from the outside of the boot. And the shell is just normal lacing. I haven't heard anything about it yet, but seems to be a good idea. stu |
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Baka Dasai wrote: On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 00:13:55 -0500, Waco Paco said (and I quote): One thing with the boas is that you can't customize the tightness. I usually like it a little looser around the toes and tight around the ankles and upnear the shins. But with the boas its either tight all around or loose all around. My gf went riding with a friend the other day, and the friend was suffering from this exact problem with her BOA lacing system. She would tighten her boots, but then the forefoot would be too tight, so she would loosen them, and then the ankle/shin would be too loose. It's a bad design IMO. -- What was I thinking? I've had the Vans Contra's which are BOA boots for two seasons now. IMO, it's the perfect lacing system. The do tighten uniformly, which I think is a plus, not a negative. If the boot requires special tightening of the laces, IMO, then the boot probably doesn't fit right to begin with. Plus, I find it hard to believe that tightening regular laces tighter in one place than another is going to last very long, as there is no good way to hold it in place. I would think regular laces would just start to gradually slip back to more uniform tightening. I've always found that it takes considerable time to get regualar laces to tighten uniformly, with BOA it happens automatically. With the BOA system, the boots go on in a few seconds, and tightne uniformly. I just partially tighten them at first, then at the top of the first run, just wind the ratchet and tighten them down to the point I like. You can also release them easily while taking a break by just pulling out the ratchet knob and re-tighten in a couple seconds when ready to go. You can also adjust them on the slope in a snap if you desire. Never had a cable break, nor would I expect to. The cable is steel and looks very strong, certainly an order of magnitude stronger than laces. If you're worried about it, the solution is to take the extra cable that they give you with you on trips. Would never go back to regular lacing system again. |
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The lacing system on Salomon boots also allows for quick lacing, and
independent tightening of the lower and upper halves of the boot. todd wrote: For the functionality you describe, seriously look at the Burton ION boot (or women's Sable). This time of year, though, it may be tough to find your size. May get lucky online. They have a very simple quick lacing system... one pull cleat for the lower zone, one pull cleat for the upper zone. Many people definitely find a need to tighten or adjust these two areas differently throughout the day. They are pricey. I looked at the BOA system as well, but I can't figure if that is going to stay around or not. It seemed like a lot of boots offered it last year, and less this year...if that means anything. The snowboarding market is very fickle. Even if it is a great system, if the kids don't think its cool, it doesn't last more than a few seasons. |
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For the functionality you describe, seriously look at the Burton ION boot (or women's Sable). This time of year, though, it may be tough to find your size. May get lucky online. They have a very simple quick lacing system... one pull cleat for the lower zone, one pull cleat for the upper zone. Many people definitely find a need to tighten or adjust these two areas differently throughout the day. They are pricey. I looked at the BOA system as well, but I can't figure if that is going to stay around or not. It seemed like a lot of boots offered it last year, and less this year...if that means anything. The snowboarding market is very fickle. Even if it is a great system, if the kids don't think its cool, it doesn't last more than a few seasons. |
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My wife and I are using DC Judge boa boots this year. Just came back
from our first trip with them and loved them. The nice thing is that adjustments on the hill are really easy - I like to ride slightly looser when Park riding, but tighten them up a bit for cruising. tying and retying laces is annoying. One thing I did notice though was that the boa system seemed to loosen a bit occasionally, and I would need to twist the knob a couple times to compensate. |
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"One thing I did notice though was that the boa system seemed to loosen
a bit occasionally, and I would need to twist the knob a couple times to compensate" Are you sure that they are in fact loosening or are you just learning that it's hard to get any boot real snug with just one initial tightening? I tighten my BOAs moderately while getting ready, then tighten a second time more securely a the top of the run. After a few runs, I may tighten one more time. But after that, they never loosen. With the ratchet system, there really is nothing that can loosen, unless the ratchet is broken and slipping. |
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Perhaps that is it - Since they are so easy to adjust, I really didn't
mind much at all. Still WAY better than laces, although the Burton speed-laces on the ION and the upcoming Drake SL speed-lace system give them a run for the money. |
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"Baka Dasai" wrote in message ... On 27 Feb 2005 17:56:58 -0800, Aegis said (and I quote): Still WAY better than laces, although the Burton speed-laces on the ION and the upcoming Drake SL speed-lace system give them a run for the money. Not as good as buckles though. It took skiers a few decades of suffering through soft boots with laces before they realised that plastic boots with buckles worked better. How will it take the snowboarding mainstream? -- What was I thinking? Actually it seems that ski boot technology is getting a snowbarding influenced update as well. Take a look at the Rossignol soft series, which combine plastics and buckles with soft materials and lacing systems. The mainstream likes to be comfortable. Chris |
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Actually it seems that ski boot technology is getting a snowbarding
influenced update as well. Take a look at the Rossignol soft series, which combine plastics and buckles with soft materials and lacing systems. The mainstream likes to be comfortable. I would like to refine your statement: "The mainstream likes to be comfortable walking around in their boots". I ride both hard and soft and when riding, both are comfortable. My hard boots are in fact a little bit more comfortable when riding, probably because it is IMHO easier to tweak hardboots for a better fit. But when walking around, no argument, soft are more comfy. I will also agree that it is easier to get a good fit with unmodified soft boots vs. unmodified hard boots, for no other reason than there are many more choices with soft. But keep in mind, the 3 major brands of hard boots offer models with at least partially moldable moldable liners, and simply molding them is often the only modification one needs. The modifictions to both my hard and soft boots are limited to adding a custom footbed and molding the liner. Mike T |
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