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On 1/30/2013 8:05 PM, Neil wrote:
I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However, I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski with companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to stop all the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what are rock skis? Swix liquid F4 goes a long way to stopping the fish scales from gathering clumps. I solved the "getting the grip wax right" problem by using Start Grip Tape (self adjusting to temperature -4F to ~30F (and maybe higher)). "gr" wrote in message eb.com... On 1/26/2013 5:31 PM, Terje Mathisen wrote: Neil wrote: fish scales? No, no! Fish scales were the original attempt to make "waxless" skis, they have never worked and I still cringe when I hear a tourist coming (very slowly!) down the tracks in -5C or colder, with that "DRRRRRRRRRRRRRR..." sound. Terje "Terje Mathisen" wrote in message ... Neil wrote: Wet snow, fluffy or soft, air temperature at or above 32f/0c. What are the recommendations for wax, both red and blue that include 32f/0c ball up. It seems to leave only glide wax any suggestions. You're pretty much describing the conditions "Zero" skis were made for, i.e. with a rubbed central area and no grip wax. Terje If you use fishscale skis a lot as rock skis (5 years or more) the noise decreases dramatically, the glide improves and the grip becomes poor........ not really a bad tradeoff! |
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gr wrote:
On 2/1/2013 9:54 AM, Ben Kaufman wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:05:24 -0000, "Neil" wrote: SNIP By the way what are rock skis? Wow, you must come from a place where the snow is really good! :-) (I saw gene already answer you question, so I can kid around). Ben I think he is in Norway, the land of endless snow. I am in Rochester, NY the land of endless teases about snow--- looks like yet another lake effect storm missed us. If you are talking about me, I am indeed in Norway, this weekend (like most winter weekends) in Rauland, Telemark. Yes, this is probably one of the nicer places in the world if you're into xc skiing... Take a look at http://visitrauland.com/ ! (We had the HelteRennet here today, several family members took part: A little windy but bright blue skies, -5C and perfect tracks for everyone.) OTOH, Oslo where we spend the rest of the week ins't really that bad either, with something like 3-4000 km of properly maintained xc ski trails, a few hundred of them lighted at night. Terje -- - Terje.Mathisen at tmsw.no "almost all programming can be viewed as an exercise in caching" |
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Pretty place! http://www.rauland.org/Skiing/Cross-country
On 2/2/2013 2:52 PM, Terje Mathisen wrote: gr wrote: On 2/1/2013 9:54 AM, Ben Kaufman wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:05:24 -0000, "Neil" wrote: SNIP By the way what are rock skis? Wow, you must come from a place where the snow is really good! :-) (I saw gene already answer you question, so I can kid around). Ben I think he is in Norway, the land of endless snow. I am in Rochester, NY the land of endless teases about snow--- looks like yet another lake effect storm missed us. If you are talking about me, I am indeed in Norway, this weekend (like most winter weekends) in Rauland, Telemark. Yes, this is probably one of the nicer places in the world if you're into xc skiing... Take a look at http://visitrauland.com/ ! (We had the HelteRennet here today, several family members took part: A little windy but bright blue skies, -5C and perfect tracks for everyone.) OTOH, Oslo where we spend the rest of the week ins't really that bad either, with something like 3-4000 km of properly maintained xc ski trails, a few hundred of them lighted at night. Terje |
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On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:52:33 -0500, gr
wrote: On 2/1/2013 9:54 AM, Ben Kaufman wrote: On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:05:24 -0000, "Neil" wrote: SNIP By the way what are rock skis? Wow, you must come from a place where the snow is really good! :-) (I saw gene already answer you question, so I can kid around). Ben I think he is in Norway, the land of endless snow. I am in Rochester, NY the land of endless teases about snow--- looks like yet another lake effect storm missed us. I am in Rockland county, 20 miles north of NYC, so not even anything to get teased about. :-) |
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On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:55:22 -0500, gr
wrote: On 1/30/2013 8:05 PM, Neil wrote: I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However, I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski with companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to stop all the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what are rock skis? Swix liquid F4 goes a long way to stopping the fish scales from gathering clumps. I solved the "getting the grip wax right" problem by using Start Grip Tape (self adjusting to temperature -4F to ~30F (and maybe higher)). Do you know if the grip tape be put over warn out fish scales? Ben |
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On 2/3/2013 8:30 PM, Ben Kaufman wrote:
On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:55:22 -0500, gr wrote: On 1/30/2013 8:05 PM, Neil wrote: I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However, I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski with companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to stop all the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what are rock skis? Swix liquid F4 goes a long way to stopping the fish scales from gathering clumps. I solved the "getting the grip wax right" problem by using Start Grip Tape (self adjusting to temperature -4F to ~30F (and maybe higher)). Do you know if the grip tape be put over warn out fish scales? Ben Don't know, might work ok, but not smooth.......... hmmmm........ if you sanded most or all the fishscale off, it would work rather nice I think. |
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Scotland - need I say more
"Ben Kaufman" wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 Jan 2013 01:05:24 -0000, "Neil" wrote: SNIP By the way what are rock skis? Wow, you must come from a place where the snow is really good! :-) (I saw gene already answer you question, so I can kid around). Ben |
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I have been out a couple of times in the last week on melting snow,
temperature +3C. I used Blue extra and it worked very well much to my surprise. I have used Rex Klister tape and it can ball up on soft sow. On icy corn snow that tape it can work well and last 2-4 days, "gr" wrote in message ... On 2/3/2013 8:30 PM, Ben Kaufman wrote: On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:55:22 -0500, gr wrote: On 1/30/2013 8:05 PM, Neil wrote: I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However, I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski with companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to stop all the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what are rock skis? Swix liquid F4 goes a long way to stopping the fish scales from gathering clumps. I solved the "getting the grip wax right" problem by using Start Grip Tape (self adjusting to temperature -4F to ~30F (and maybe higher)). Do you know if the grip tape be put over warn out fish scales? Ben Don't know, might work ok, but not smooth.......... hmmmm........ if you sanded most or all the fishscale off, it would work rather nice I think. |
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:22:22 -0000, "Neil" wrote:
I have been out a couple of times in the last week on melting snow, temperature +3C. I used Blue extra and it worked very well much to my surprise. I have used Rex Klister tape and it can ball up on soft sow. On icy corn snow that tape it can work well and last 2-4 days, "gr" wrote in message ... On 2/3/2013 8:30 PM, Ben Kaufman wrote: On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:55:22 -0500, gr wrote: On 1/30/2013 8:05 PM, Neil wrote: I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However, I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski with companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to stop all the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what are rock skis? Swix liquid F4 goes a long way to stopping the fish scales from gathering clumps. I solved the "getting the grip wax right" problem by using Start Grip Tape (self adjusting to temperature -4F to ~30F (and maybe higher)). Do you know if the grip tape be put over warn out fish scales? Ben Don't know, might work ok, but not smooth.......... hmmmm........ if you sanded most or all the fishscale off, it would work rather nice I think. Thanks. |
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On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 11:22:22 -0000, "Neil" wrote:
I have been out a couple of times in the last week on melting snow, temperature +3C. I used Blue extra and it worked very well much to my surprise. I have used Rex Klister tape and it can ball up on soft sow. On icy corn snow that tape it can work well and last 2-4 days, "gr" wrote in message ... On 2/3/2013 8:30 PM, Ben Kaufman wrote: On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 12:55:22 -0500, gr wrote: On 1/30/2013 8:05 PM, Neil wrote: I would tend to agree with you, fish scales or noisy and slow. and I have had the experience of them balling up in wet soft snow. However, I'm sure you always get the wax right but I don't but I tend to ski with companions who use fish scales. It is difficult to ask them to stop all the time while you fiddle with your waxes. By the way what are rock skis? Swix liquid F4 goes a long way to stopping the fish scales from gathering clumps. I solved the "getting the grip wax right" problem by using Start Grip Tape (self adjusting to temperature -4F to ~30F (and maybe higher)). Do you know if the grip tape be put over warn out fish scales? Ben Don't know, might work ok, but not smooth.......... hmmmm........ if you sanded most or all the fishscale off, it would work rather nice I think. Thanks. |
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