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So how did the great Canadian Ski Marathon go? I'm very interested in trying
this, perhaps next year. How tough is it? How many people do it? What are the trails like? Onno Oerlemans |
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The 38th Canadian Ski Marathon (CSM) was easy and pleasant, on the first
day. Then it got harder... I was attempting to do my 5th Gold Coureur Des Bois. It's a minor milestone: you get a permanent bib number. The number is then uniquely yours whenever you do the CSM. The old timers recognize each other by their bib numbers, usually placed on their backpack, as they come by each other on the CSM trails. By the way, Herman "Jackrabbit" Johannsen, the "patron saint" of CSM has permanent bib number 111, the age at which he passed away. This year the direction was West to East, from Buckingham to Lachute (Quebec) with the midpoint at Montebello with a total distance of 156: 72 kms on Saturday and 84 on Sunday. I don't know the exact stats, but I believe there were over 2000 entrants out of which over 500 were attempting to do the whole distance in the various Coureur des Bois categories: Bronze (whole distance), Silver ( whole distance and carry min 5 kg backpack), and Gold (whole distance, carry min 5 kg backpack, carry your gear, camp out over night.) The weather forecast was for the temperature to go from -1C at the start on Saturday to a low of -18C overnight and a high of -10C on Sunday. It turned out to be colder than that for much of Sunday. On Friday evening, the drive from our place in Ottawa to the Gold dorm in Buckingham was made treacherous with constant freezing drizzle causing slippery road conditions. When I got to the dorm I re-acquainted with many CSM fellow crazies whom I meet once a year. For the stay at the Gold dorm I used a sensory isolation technique of ear plugs and eye cover to get a decent 8 hour sleep. I woke up on Saturday morning, 4:15 am, to get ready and have breakfast: good, plentiful, and quickly served. I arrived at the start at 5:30 to test my wax and it seemed to work fine. On Saturday morning it was still freezing drizzling slightly and the air temp was around -3C. The Gold were off at 5:45. It was great day of fast conditions and pleasant temperatures for skiing. Pretty soon after the start it stopped drizzling and the temperature started a gradual fall, but my kick and glide was great and I passed quite a few more people than I was passed by. I got to the last checkpoint at 12:30 pm with tons of time to spare, with the cut off at 3:15 pm. I was at the Gold camp by 2:10 pm. It was just a great evening at the camp, spent in good company, with nice temperatures, around -8 with a bit of wind. The camp was full: the vast majority of the Gold finished the first day. I had my soup with smoked bacon, freeze dried chicken gumbo, and hot chocolate with chocolate fudge bars. Then I hit the sack by 7 pm. I slept fitfully but well and warm in my bag (-30C rated) on a bed of straw. This straw is something over which the hordes of tired campers fight valiantly for their fare share. It is provided by the local farmer whose land is used for the Gold camp. Overnight the temperature dropped. Couple of times I stuck my head out the sleeping bag and there was a beautiful full moon and bright stars away from urban light pollution. Lovely! I got out of the bag at 4:10 am and started getting ready. It was -23C with light wind. It didn't feel too cold while I was wearing my down jacket and booties and sitting around the camp fire having my breakfast of instant oats, with bacon, and tea. It was a different story when I changed to my ski clothes and we got started at around 6. It felt bloody cold with all kick and no glide. I repeatedly had to take cold fingers out of fleece gloves (in gortex overmits) and warm them against the palm of my hands. My face was OK because I had a medium weight balaclava on, as were my feet since I'd put on dry socks and overboots. But my hands I had to pay attention to. At the first checkpoint I considered stepping into a "warming hut" (not a regular feature of checkpoints.) Instead, I decided to change into thicker gloves and windmill my hands. And I had some more smoked bacon. This seemed to do the trick and I stopped having problems with cold hands or anything else there after. However, there was no glide to be had until about 10 am when the sun started warming up the snow. The air temperature had got up to around -15C by then. All this started putting me under some time pressure. I did not get into section 3 until after 10:30 and had a real struggle getting through it. Anyone who's done the CSM knows that section 3 is the crux, especially in a West-to-East year. I had to do a lot of serious talking to myself and refuel a number of times with my secret weapon: smoked bacon. Pork power! I managed to be into section 2 (one before last) by 1:15 pm and made it to the last checkpoint just before 3 pm, with 15 minutes to spare before the dreaded cut off. I enjoyed finishing the last section in the company of friends, one of whom also enjoyed some of my smoked bacon to refuel him for the last 10 km! We were in Lachute by 5:10 with the locals cheering us on to the finish line at the town hall, and then on to the school, shower, beer, banquet. At the ceremonies at the banquet, sitting in the company of fine friends, I found out that we had a 13 year old girl complete Coureur des Bois Gold, and a 12 year old boy do the Silver. We also had Pierre Harvey, a ski racing legend in Canada, do his first Gold this year. He said it was one of the hardest ski events he's done. I think he was being a tad encouragingly modest :-) We also had skiers from many places in North America, and well as Norway and Denmark. For me though, the most impressive and inspiring CSM participant was the Para Olympian who I saw skiing one of the harder sections sitting in a sled, pushing and controlling only with his poles going down tricky downhills and steep ups. Once again the event was very well organized with the many (over 500) volunteers including the Canadian Army Cadets, Scouts, safety medics and radio operators, as well as local schools. The CSM can only happen with the cooperation of many land owners who allow the use of their land-- some of whom also provide excellent cookies and coffee at unofficial stops! For more info on the CSM go to the web site: www.csm-mcs.com Parham Momtahan. PS For the waxoholics: Given the temperature swing, the waxing was interesting. I used two layers of cold glide -10-30C (Toko Dibloc LF Blue) and a top layer of warmer -4-10C (Toko Dibloc LF Red); each scraped and brushed with a nylon brush with no structuring. I used a base binder on top of a 150 sanded grip area. I left the kick wax choice to Saturday morning when the snow temp was -1C. I started off using Rode Blue Super Extra (-1-5C) because of the humidity and then as it got colder I put on a layer of Swix Cera F -1-8C (a favourite wax which they no longer sell.) On Sunday I started with Swix Green (-6-11), scraped and put on Special Green (-10-15C) hoping to get a bit more glide, no dice, and then as it got warmer by around noon, I put on the Cera F (-1-8C) again. |
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Eddie,
Great update and report. As you noted Saturday was fast fast fast. Sunday was slow, but because I stayed at the Chateau Montebello managed to wax my skis Saturday night and had pretty good glide. Craig a friend of mine on his second gold waxed at camp and had very little glide. I finished the silver this year and hope to see you at the Gold camp sometime soon. Sam Nelson Eddy Rapid wrote: The 38th Canadian Ski Marathon (CSM) was easy and pleasant, on the first day. Then it got harder... I was attempting to do my 5th Gold Coureur Des Bois. It's a minor milestone: you get a permanent bib number. The number is then uniquely yours whenever you do the CSM. The old timers recognize each other by their bib numbers, usually placed on their backpack, as they come by each other on the CSM trails. By the way, Herman "Jackrabbit" Johannsen, the "patron saint" of CSM has permanent bib number 111, the age at which he passed away. This year the direction was West to East, from Buckingham to Lachute (Quebec) with the midpoint at Montebello with a total distance of 156: 72 kms on Saturday and 84 on Sunday. I don't know the exact stats, but I believe there were over 2000 entrants out of which over 500 were attempting to do the whole distance in the various Coureur des Bois categories: Bronze (whole distance), Silver ( whole distance and carry min 5 kg backpack), and Gold (whole distance, carry min 5 kg backpack, carry your gear, camp out over night.) The weather forecast was for the temperature to go from -1C at the start on Saturday to a low of -18C overnight and a high of -10C on Sunday. It turned out to be colder than that for much of Sunday. On Friday evening, the drive from our place in Ottawa to the Gold dorm in Buckingham was made treacherous with constant freezing drizzle causing slippery road conditions. When I got to the dorm I re-acquainted with many CSM fellow crazies whom I meet once a year. For the stay at the Gold dorm I used a sensory isolation technique of ear plugs and eye cover to get a decent 8 hour sleep. I woke up on Saturday morning, 4:15 am, to get ready and have breakfast: good, plentiful, and quickly served. I arrived at the start at 5:30 to test my wax and it seemed to work fine. On Saturday morning it was still freezing drizzling slightly and the air temp was around -3C. The Gold were off at 5:45. It was great day of fast conditions and pleasant temperatures for skiing. Pretty soon after the start it stopped drizzling and the temperature started a gradual fall, but my kick and glide was great and I passed quite a few more people than I was passed by. I got to the last checkpoint at 12:30 pm with tons of time to spare, with the cut off at 3:15 pm. I was at the Gold camp by 2:10 pm. It was just a great evening at the camp, spent in good company, with nice temperatures, around -8 with a bit of wind. The camp was full: the vast majority of the Gold finished the first day. I had my soup with smoked bacon, freeze dried chicken gumbo, and hot chocolate with chocolate fudge bars. Then I hit the sack by 7 pm. I slept fitfully but well and warm in my bag (-30C rated) on a bed of straw. This straw is something over which the hordes of tired campers fight valiantly for their fare share. It is provided by the local farmer whose land is used for the Gold camp. Overnight the temperature dropped. Couple of times I stuck my head out the sleeping bag and there was a beautiful full moon and bright stars away from urban light pollution. Lovely! I got out of the bag at 4:10 am and started getting ready. It was -23C with light wind. It didn't feel too cold while I was wearing my down jacket and booties and sitting around the camp fire having my breakfast of instant oats, with bacon, and tea. It was a different story when I changed to my ski clothes and we got started at around 6. It felt bloody cold with all kick and no glide. I repeatedly had to take cold fingers out of fleece gloves (in gortex overmits) and warm them against the palm of my hands. My face was OK because I had a medium weight balaclava on, as were my feet since I'd put on dry socks and overboots. But my hands I had to pay attention to. At the first checkpoint I considered stepping into a "warming hut" (not a regular feature of checkpoints.) Instead, I decided to change into thicker gloves and windmill my hands. And I had some more smoked bacon. This seemed to do the trick and I stopped having problems with cold hands or anything else there after. However, there was no glide to be had until about 10 am when the sun started warming up the snow. The air temperature had got up to around -15C by then. All this started putting me under some time pressure. I did not get into section 3 until after 10:30 and had a real struggle getting through it. Anyone who's done the CSM knows that section 3 is the crux, especially in a West-to-East year. I had to do a lot of serious talking to myself and refuel a number of times with my secret weapon: smoked bacon. Pork power! I managed to be into section 2 (one before last) by 1:15 pm and made it to the last checkpoint just before 3 pm, with 15 minutes to spare before the dreaded cut off. I enjoyed finishing the last section in the company of friends, one of whom also enjoyed some of my smoked bacon to refuel him for the last 10 km! We were in Lachute by 5:10 with the locals cheering us on to the finish line at the town hall, and then on to the school, shower, beer, banquet. At the ceremonies at the banquet, sitting in the company of fine friends, I found out that we had a 13 year old girl complete Coureur des Bois Gold, and a 12 year old boy do the Silver. We also had Pierre Harvey, a ski racing legend in Canada, do his first Gold this year. He said it was one of the hardest ski events he's done. I think he was being a tad encouragingly modest :-) We also had skiers from many places in North America, and well as Norway and Denmark. For me though, the most impressive and inspiring CSM participant was the Para Olympian who I saw skiing one of the harder sections sitting in a sled, pushing and controlling only with his poles going down tricky downhills and steep ups. Once again the event was very well organized with the many (over 500) volunteers including the Canadian Army Cadets, Scouts, safety medics and radio operators, as well as local schools. The CSM can only happen with the cooperation of many land owners who allow the use of their land-- some of whom also provide excellent cookies and coffee at unofficial stops! For more info on the CSM go to the web site: www.csm-mcs.com Parham Momtahan. PS For the waxoholics: Given the temperature swing, the waxing was interesting. I used two layers of cold glide -10-30C (Toko Dibloc LF Blue) and a top layer of warmer -4-10C (Toko Dibloc LF Red); each scraped and brushed with a nylon brush with no structuring. I used a base binder on top of a 150 sanded grip area. I left the kick wax choice to Saturday morning when the snow temp was -1C. I started off using Rode Blue Super Extra (-1-5C) because of the humidity and then as it got colder I put on a layer of Swix Cera F -1-8C (a favourite wax which they no longer sell.) On Sunday I started with Swix Green (-6-11), scraped and put on Special Green (-10-15C) hoping to get a bit more glide, no dice, and then as it got warmer by around noon, I put on the Cera F (-1-8C) again. |
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Thanks and major congrats, Sam.
I actually think that the Silver is as tough as Gold in terms of the skiing, though a tad easier in terms of logistics such as equipment/wax, because you're carrying most of the weight (my pack was 21lb at the start vs the minimum 15lb), you start later, and you have to ski a couple of kms more; not to mention the fact that you have to pass a lot of the slower Gold. So yours is a major achievement! What was your glide wax on Sunday? See you at the Gold camp next year, I hope. Parham Momtahan. "sam" wrote in message k.net... Eddie, Great update and report. As you noted Saturday was fast fast fast. Sunday was slow, but because I stayed at the Chateau Montebello managed to wax my skis Saturday night and had pretty good glide. Craig a friend of mine on his second gold waxed at camp and had very little glide. I finished the silver this year and hope to see you at the Gold camp sometime soon. Sam Nelson Eddy Rapid wrote: The 38th Canadian Ski Marathon (CSM) was easy and pleasant, on the first day. Then it got harder... I was attempting to do my 5th Gold Coureur Des Bois. It's a minor milestone: you get a permanent bib number. The number is then uniquely yours whenever you do the CSM. The old timers recognize each other by their bib numbers, usually placed on their backpack, as they come by each other on the CSM trails. By the way, Herman "Jackrabbit" Johannsen, the "patron saint" of CSM has permanent bib number 111, the age at which he passed away. This year the direction was West to East, from Buckingham to Lachute (Quebec) with the midpoint at Montebello with a total distance of 156: 72 kms on Saturday and 84 on Sunday. I don't know the exact stats, but I believe there were over 2000 entrants out of which over 500 were attempting to do the whole distance in the various Coureur des Bois categories: Bronze (whole distance), Silver ( whole distance and carry min 5 kg backpack), and Gold (whole distance, carry min 5 kg backpack, carry your gear, camp out over night.) The weather forecast was for the temperature to go from -1C at the start on Saturday to a low of -18C overnight and a high of -10C on Sunday. It turned out to be colder than that for much of Sunday. On Friday evening, the drive from our place in Ottawa to the Gold dorm in Buckingham was made treacherous with constant freezing drizzle causing slippery road conditions. When I got to the dorm I re-acquainted with many CSM fellow crazies whom I meet once a year. For the stay at the Gold dorm I used a sensory isolation technique of ear plugs and eye cover to get a decent 8 hour sleep. I woke up on Saturday morning, 4:15 am, to get ready and have breakfast: good, plentiful, and quickly served. I arrived at the start at 5:30 to test my wax and it seemed to work fine. On Saturday morning it was still freezing drizzling slightly and the air temp was around -3C. The Gold were off at 5:45. It was great day of fast conditions and pleasant temperatures for skiing. Pretty soon after the start it stopped drizzling and the temperature started a gradual fall, but my kick and glide was great and I passed quite a few more people than I was passed by. I got to the last checkpoint at 12:30 pm with tons of time to spare, with the cut off at 3:15 pm. I was at the Gold camp by 2:10 pm. It was just a great evening at the camp, spent in good company, with nice temperatures, around -8 with a bit of wind. The camp was full: the vast majority of the Gold finished the first day. I had my soup with smoked bacon, freeze dried chicken gumbo, and hot chocolate with chocolate fudge bars. Then I hit the sack by 7 pm. I slept fitfully but well and warm in my bag (-30C rated) on a bed of straw. This straw is something over which the hordes of tired campers fight valiantly for their fare share. It is provided by the local farmer whose land is used for the Gold camp. Overnight the temperature dropped. Couple of times I stuck my head out the sleeping bag and there was a beautiful full moon and bright stars away from urban light pollution. Lovely! I got out of the bag at 4:10 am and started getting ready. It was -23C with light wind. It didn't feel too cold while I was wearing my down jacket and booties and sitting around the camp fire having my breakfast of instant oats, with bacon, and tea. It was a different story when I changed to my ski clothes and we got started at around 6. It felt bloody cold with all kick and no glide. I repeatedly had to take cold fingers out of fleece gloves (in gortex overmits) and warm them against the palm of my hands. My face was OK because I had a medium weight balaclava on, as were my feet since I'd put on dry socks and overboots. But my hands I had to pay attention to. At the first checkpoint I considered stepping into a "warming hut" (not a regular feature of checkpoints.) Instead, I decided to change into thicker gloves and windmill my hands. And I had some more smoked bacon. This seemed to do the trick and I stopped having problems with cold hands or anything else there after. However, there was no glide to be had until about 10 am when the sun started warming up the snow. The air temperature had got up to around -15C by then. All this started putting me under some time pressure. I did not get into section 3 until after 10:30 and had a real struggle getting through it. Anyone who's done the CSM knows that section 3 is the crux, especially in a West-to-East year. I had to do a lot of serious talking to myself and refuel a number of times with my secret weapon: smoked bacon. Pork power! I managed to be into section 2 (one before last) by 1:15 pm and made it to the last checkpoint just before 3 pm, with 15 minutes to spare before the dreaded cut off. I enjoyed finishing the last section in the company of friends, one of whom also enjoyed some of my smoked bacon to refuel him for the last 10 km! We were in Lachute by 5:10 with the locals cheering us on to the finish line at the town hall, and then on to the school, shower, beer, banquet. At the ceremonies at the banquet, sitting in the company of fine friends, I found out that we had a 13 year old girl complete Coureur des Bois Gold, and a 12 year old boy do the Silver. We also had Pierre Harvey, a ski racing legend in Canada, do his first Gold this year. He said it was one of the hardest ski events he's done. I think he was being a tad encouragingly modest :-) We also had skiers from many places in North America, and well as Norway and Denmark. For me though, the most impressive and inspiring CSM participant was the Para Olympian who I saw skiing one of the harder sections sitting in a sled, pushing and controlling only with his poles going down tricky downhills and steep ups. Once again the event was very well organized with the many (over 500) volunteers including the Canadian Army Cadets, Scouts, safety medics and radio operators, as well as local schools. The CSM can only happen with the cooperation of many land owners who allow the use of their land-- some of whom also provide excellent cookies and coffee at unofficial stops! For more info on the CSM go to the web site: www.csm-mcs.com Parham Momtahan. PS For the waxoholics: Given the temperature swing, the waxing was interesting. I used two layers of cold glide -10-30C (Toko Dibloc LF Blue) and a top layer of warmer -4-10C (Toko Dibloc LF Red); each scraped and brushed with a nylon brush with no structuring. I used a base binder on top of a 150 sanded grip area. I left the kick wax choice to Saturday morning when the snow temp was -1C. I started off using Rode Blue Super Extra (-1-5C) because of the humidity and then as it got colder I put on a layer of Swix Cera F -1-8C (a favourite wax which they no longer sell.) On Sunday I started with Swix Green (-6-11), scraped and put on Special Green (-10-15C) hoping to get a bit more glide, no dice, and then as it got warmer by around noon, I put on the Cera F (-1-8C) again. |
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Heartiest congratulations to Parham on getting that 5th Gold, and
a permanent CSM number. I'm envious. This comes up every year, perhaps to everyone else's boredom, but when Parham suddenly put on about 20lb. (10kg.) a number of years ago---that was the backpack for CSM Gold, he needed stiffer skiis, so I bought his old RCS's. They're the fastest classical skiis I've ever had, the bases are starting to show a lot of history, but those are the skiis that will be doing 50K Saturday morning (unless something drastic happens to require klister!) Anyway, maybe the year I'm 64 and at the dreaded back end of my age category, I'll get back to doing the CSM instead of embarrassing myself at Keskinada. At least there, they don't publish your time. Parham will probably look back at that tough Sunday with pleasure, getting the 5th shouldn't be too easy. His Saturday time is really very fast as far as I'm concerned. I never finished the first day better than one hour more than he took. Best, Peter |
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Great report, thanks. I've got to get back to doing that.
Reading this makes me miss it. Comments follow... In article , Eddy Rapid wrote: with a total distance of 156: 72 kms on Saturday and 84 on Sunday. It's getting a bit shorter? Are they still grooming it well? Actually setting tracks, rather than just passing by on a skidoo? I got to the last checkpoint at 12:30 pm Wow! Overnight the temperature dropped. Always does, doesn't it? Anyone who's done the CSM knows that section 3 is the crux, especially in a West-to-East year. Well, you climb a lot, then descend fast. We also had Pierre Harvey, a ski racing legend in Canada, do his first Gold this year. He said it was one of the hardest ski events he's done. I think he was being a tad encouragingly modest :-) He came back! I was talking with him when he did his silver, and he pretty much told me the same thing. He also told me that he didn't want to ever do it again. He said he was OK going for 3 hours or so, but it killed him to have to keep going longer. No, I think he meant it. He's more of a 'sprinter'. the waxing was interesting. Always is. It is neer like waxing for a short race where conditions are relatively constant. Thanks again for the report. Maybe I'll see you at the gold camp next year (too many broken bones to even think about it this year) -Pete -- -- "It's a sad day for american capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park." J. Moran |
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Thanks Peter. I would be happy to be as fast as you at any age! Ironically,
I now have a pair of 2002 RCSs that are too stiff for me, I went overboard with stiffness when I bought them (never raced or rallied :-) Looks like you've chosen the right Keski day! It's uncannily looking like the repeat of the CSM weekend weather pattern for the Keski (hopefully minus the drizzle :-) Best of luck and enjoy! Let me know if you end up doing the CSM next year. Parham. wrote in message ... Heartiest congratulations to Parham on getting that 5th Gold, and a permanent CSM number. I'm envious. This comes up every year, perhaps to everyone else's boredom, but when Parham suddenly put on about 20lb. (10kg.) a number of years ago---that was the backpack for CSM Gold, he needed stiffer skiis, so I bought his old RCS's. They're the fastest classical skiis I've ever had, the bases are starting to show a lot of history, but those are the skiis that will be doing 50K Saturday morning (unless something drastic happens to require klister!) Anyway, maybe the year I'm 64 and at the dreaded back end of my age category, I'll get back to doing the CSM instead of embarrassing myself at Keskinada. At least there, they don't publish your time. Parham will probably look back at that tough Sunday with pleasure, getting the 5th shouldn't be too easy. His Saturday time is really very fast as far as I'm concerned. I never finished the first day better than one hour more than he took. Best, Peter |
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In terms of distances, the Montebello to Buckingham section has been around
the 72 km mark for about three years at least. So the distances are a tad (4-7 km) shorter than compared to when it used to finish at the Nicholas school in Gatineau.There are minor route changes every year, based on land owners and checkpoint logistics, so it has never been exactly 160 km, sometimes a bit more and sometimes less. For the Lachute to Montebello section in an East-to-west year, you have to now ski 71 km before the 3:15 cut-off, which got a few people last year. The trails were machine double tracked for all of the first day, and most of the second day (They now use a Bombardier track setting machine, I believe.) However, there were some areas on the second day that were single tracked because it was too narrow. I would say the track setting this year was excellent given the conditions and the logistics-- however, not to Gatineau parkway standards ;-) BTW, we had an overnight temp of -2C on Friday night (so in fact the temp went up on Friday night) going down to -23C on Saturday night. Pete, I hope you mend well and it would be great to see around the Gold Camp next year. Parham. "Pete Hickey" wrote in message .. . Great report, thanks. I've got to get back to doing that. Reading this makes me miss it. Comments follow... In article , Eddy Rapid wrote: with a total distance of 156: 72 kms on Saturday and 84 on Sunday. It's getting a bit shorter? Are they still grooming it well? Actually setting tracks, rather than just passing by on a skidoo? I got to the last checkpoint at 12:30 pm Wow! Overnight the temperature dropped. Always does, doesn't it? Anyone who's done the CSM knows that section 3 is the crux, especially in a West-to-East year. Well, you climb a lot, then descend fast. We also had Pierre Harvey, a ski racing legend in Canada, do his first Gold this year. He said it was one of the hardest ski events he's done. I think he was being a tad encouragingly modest :-) He came back! I was talking with him when he did his silver, and he pretty much told me the same thing. He also told me that he didn't want to ever do it again. He said he was OK going for 3 hours or so, but it killed him to have to keep going longer. No, I think he meant it. He's more of a 'sprinter'. the waxing was interesting. Always is. It is neer like waxing for a short race where conditions are relatively constant. Thanks again for the report. Maybe I'll see you at the gold camp next year (too many broken bones to even think about it this year) -Pete -- -- "It's a sad day for american capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park." J. Moran |
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In article ,
Eddy Rapid wrote: In terms of distances, the Montebello to Buckingham section has been around the 72 km mark for about three years at least. So the distances are a tad (4-7 km) shorter than compared to when it used to finish at the Nicholas school in Gatineau.There are minor route changes every year, based on land owners and checkpoint logistics, so it has never been exactly 160 km, sometimes a bit more and sometimes less. I seem to remember it being 168km back in the early 90's. Almost 90km one day, and 70km the next.... Took a quick look for my old papers, but didn't find them, do memory could be wrong. Met some friends at the Keski (one of them a 20-something timer) who were bugging me 'cause I don't do the marathon anymore. -- -- "It's a sad day for american capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park." J. Moran |
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"Pete Hickey" wrote seem to remember it being 168km back in the early 90's. Almost 90km one day, and 70km the next.... Took a quick look for my old papers, but didn't find them, do memory could be wrong. The oldest route map that I managed to find in my basement is from 1996 (Gatineau to Lachute) when I did my first Gold: 83.4 (day 1), 78.2 (day 2) = 161.6 km Parham. |
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