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Old January 18th 05, 04:06 AM
Edog
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Someone stole my 6 year old Glissade 168 longboard (now called big gun)
and I am very sad. This board did everything: power, crud, groomers,
ice. Flakey old Glissade will not be able to replace it until next
year, so I am looking for alternatives.

I am

A freerider -- back issues keep me grounded.
150lbs, 5' 7" (170cm, 68kg)
9 years riding.
A Baker boy.

Off the runs, where I do most of my riding, the Pacific Northwest
offers two snow conditions: Fresh with crud and no-fresh with crud,
where crud means bumps with textures ranging from soft to ice commonly
in the same run. Oh, yes and I love riding in crud.

For no-fresh with crud I've settled on an Donek Incline 160 which I
have owned in the past and I loved but is not long enough for most
freshies.

For fresh with crud, I'm in a quandry. Ideas are

Never Summer T5 165: built like a Glissade but is it as responsive?
Arbor A-frame 166: friends think it is the **** but none of them own
one.
Option Signature or Vinson 164-166.
Burton Malolo 162: do Burtons still die after a year, my old custom
did?
Rossignol Jeremy Jones 162-165.

Any comments? Better Ideas?

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Old January 18th 05, 06:08 AM
Mike M. Miskulin
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"Edog" wrote in news:1106018694.709330.235320
@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com:

Someone stole my 6 year old Glissade 168 longboard (now called big

gun) and I am very sad. This board did everything: power, crud,
groomers, ice. Flakey old Glissade will not be able to replace it


bummer man.. sorry to hear that.

Off the runs, where I do most of my riding, the Pacific Northwest
offers two snow conditions: Fresh with crud and no-fresh with crud,
where crud means bumps with textures ranging from soft to ice
commonly in the same run. Oh, yes and I love riding in crud.


Dude.. great to see somebody that just likes to ride, period! Great
inspiration to get me out tomorrow. This is my fourth winter in VT
and last year I finally started going out as long as it was over -5
by 10am. Even did a -10 with calm wind. So a high of 0 tomorrow
will feel warm

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Old January 18th 05, 08:03 PM
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"Edog" wrote

Someone stole my 6 year old Glissade 168 longboard (now called big gun)
and I am very sad.

A freerider -- back issues keep me grounded.
150lbs, 5' 7" (170cm, 68kg)
9 years riding.
A Baker boy.

Off the runs, where I do most of my riding, the Pacific Northwest
offers two snow conditions: Fresh with crud and no-fresh with crud,
where crud means bumps with textures ranging from soft to ice commonly
in the same run. Oh, yes and I love riding in crud.

Any comments? Better Ideas?


Puzzling... I'm not a Baker boy, but I spend half of my riding days there.
If anything, for Baker,even on powder days, I want a shorter board. Too
much steep tree runs, really narrow chutes and bump fields that I simply
can't miss to have a long board. For powder days, it'd be nice to have a Fish
or something reeeeally wide but still reasonably short (like 27+cm waisted
board). For the rest of the days, I'd want something still reasonably wide,
with really tight freestyle-like sidecut, with very good edge grip, not too stiff,
but light and strudy. I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at Baker with a
big board.

Well, in fact I can. I destroyed my 160 Nitro Shadow last week (FUBAR
edge, ~5 inches of delam and the edge looks like a corkscrew - and
I don't have a slightest clue on how or when it happened!), so I had to
take PalmerChannel Titanium 164 to Baker last Saturday. I had Nidecker
Carbon 860 bindings mounted, I was told it's a classic BX setup.

Well, two things: first, I just don't have the strength to lug this monster
around on anything but smooth groomers, and second - it sucks big
time for riding gnary steeps, chutes and trees. Duh! What's actually
surprising, I didn't have all that much fun with it even on smooth
groomers. Yes, the edge grip is unbelievable, but I had a feeling that
I'm riding on top of a freaking freight train all the time. This kinda surprises
me, but the better I get, the more I want to be on a softer board, with softer
boots and bindings.. And I'm a pure freerider, never touched a rail yet.

Also, as unbelievably solid and comfy the bindings are (they truly are
amazing), they grip so well I just didn't have the range of motion that
is requred for bumps, steeps, trees and rocky chutes. Even if I loosen
the bindings, they still hold way too good, too restrictive.

Another surprise was that I got so used to duckstance I couldn't ride
more typical BX ~+25/+10 angles anymore. Had to go back to duckstance
even on this board, felt much better that way.

Oh well, I guess the whole BX setup will just go to eBay, and I'll be in for
a new Nitro Shadow, or maybe I can find an old Burton Dragon somewhere.

So... Mr. Edog, what the hell are you doing there on a long board? I'm
really interested to know - your riding style, what runs are your favorite, etc..
I'm heavier and taller than you (165lbs, 5'11"), and yet I have a completely
opposite idea of what's a good board for Baker.


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Old January 18th 05, 08:08 PM
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Dmitry wrote:
[snip] I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at Baker with a
big board.

Well, in fact I can. I destroyed my 160 Nitro Shadow last week (FUBAR
edge, ~5 inches of delam and the edge looks like a corkscrew - and
I don't have a slightest clue on how or when it happened!), so I had to
take PalmerChannel Titanium 164 to Baker last Saturday. I had Nidecker
Carbon 860 bindings mounted, I was told it's a classic BX setup.


Kids these days - 164 is a big board?

Yeesh....

Neil

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Old January 18th 05, 08:47 PM
Dmitry
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"Neil Gendzwill" wrote

[snip] I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at Baker with a
big board.

Well, in fact I can.


Kids these days - 164 is a big board?


Geezers these days - can't even read. I said I can _imagine_
how would it be on a big board, after seeing the difference in how
it felt on a 164 compared to 160. And trust me, that Palmer feels
like a much bigger board, I've ridden a 178 before and it was
easier to handle than this one.


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Old January 18th 05, 09:22 PM
Mike T
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Kids these days - 164 is a big board?

Geezers these days - can't even read. I said I can _imagine_
how would it be on a big board, after seeing the difference in how
it felt on a 164 compared to 160. And trust me, that Palmer feels
like a much bigger board, I've ridden a 178 before and it was
easier to handle than this one.


Was that 178 by any chance an OSin 4807? Gotta be the shortest effective
edge of any 178 I have seen, with that *HUGE* nose that overshadows the fact
that the effective edge goes all the way to the tail.

I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that effective edge is usually a more
apples-to-apples comparison, but since most boards have a similar
edge-to-length ratio, people like to talk overall length 'cause it's usually
printed on the board and in the model name...



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Old January 18th 05, 10:06 PM
Edog
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Dmitry wrote:

Puzzling... I'm not a Baker boy, but I spend half of my riding days

there.
If anything, for Baker,even on powder days, I want a shorter board.

Too
much steep tree runs, really narrow chutes and bump fields that I

simply
can't miss to have a long board. For powder days, it'd be nice to

have a Fish
or something reeeeally wide but still reasonably short (like 27+cm

waisted
board). For the rest of the days, I'd want something still reasonably

wide,
with really tight freestyle-like sidecut, with very good edge grip,

not too stiff,
but light and strudy. I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at

Baker with a
big board.


I am basically with you except where you say "even on powder days". A
160 cm often does O.K. for me on potatoes, but anything lighter and I'm
sinking. What was wonderful about the Glissade 168 was that it rode
like a considerably shorter board in the crud (trees, bumps, chutes
etc.) and since I'm not going home at noon on powder days, the board I
bring must go both ways (bi ?). So I'm looking for a 164+ which is
quick, holds an edge, but can cut a sharp carve. Something to dance
through the crud, not bulldoze (so boards like the Ride Timeless are
out of the question). Really, I want my Glissade back but that is not
happening.



So... Mr. Edog, what the hell are you doing there on a long board?

I'm
really interested to know - your riding style, what runs are your

favorite, etc..
I'm heavier and taller than you (165lbs, 5'11"), and yet I have a

completely
opposite idea of what's a good board for Baker.


No we are not that different, just skining the cat from different ends.

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Old January 18th 05, 10:37 PM
Neil Gendzwill
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Dmitry wrote:

"Neil Gendzwill" wrote


[snip] I just can't imagine what I'd be doing at Baker with a
big board.

Well, in fact I can.


Kids these days - 164 is a big board?



Geezers these days - can't even read. I said I can _imagine_
how would it be on a big board, after seeing the difference in how
it felt on a 164 compared to 160. And trust me, that Palmer feels
like a much bigger board, I've ridden a 178 before and it was
easier to handle than this one.


I'll let you know how it goes with the 200 when I finally get that
sucker on the hill (been too cold here/no snow).

And in other news my Coiler AM172 ships this week. Yay!

Neil

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Old January 19th 05, 12:24 AM
Edog
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Dmitry wrote:


So... Mr. Edog, what the hell are you doing there on a long board?

I'm
really interested to know - your riding style, what runs are your

favorite, etc..
I'm heavier and taller than you (165lbs, 5'11"), and yet I have a

completely
opposite idea of what's a good board for Baker.



Sorry to follow up my own post, but I had to go and did not finish my
response. To respond to your question, from a 'theoretical'
prespective, the way I ride crud, the length of the board is
irrelevant. I approach uneven ground as providing opportunities for
turns: either A) bank off a bump or B) I ride over the bump using it to
unweight the board and turn at the top. This is what I mean by dancing
on the crud. Board length has little effect on either process. Of
course, perfect runs are rare (and cherished in memory), so one is
always cutting quickly and hard to avoid oncoming trees, making a carve
across an icey steep or some other adjustments. So my board -- even my
powder board -- needs to be able to cut quickly, sharply and hold an
edge.

I like to ride directly under chair 8, on the top part of the hill,
Canuck's Delight under chair 6 is indeed a delight as are all the trees
in that area, the face on the other side of chair 1 is cool, if I'm
into classic moguls, I like the face that falls to the base of chair 6.
On powder days, I do the Chute and Gable's, because I'm to weak a rider
to do them when they are icey.

So the board: longish, quick, supple, and passes the 'carves on ice'
test.

p.s. If you have any influence, please request lower snow levels. It is
too early for spring riding.

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Old January 19th 05, 03:44 AM
Dmitry
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"Mike T" wrote

it felt on a 164 compared to 160. And trust me, that Palmer feels
like a much bigger board, I've ridden a 178 before and it was
easier to handle than this one.


Was that 178 by any chance an OSin 4807? Gotta be the shortest effective edge of any 178 I have seen, with that *HUGE* nose that
overshadows the fact that the effective edge goes all the way to the tail.

I'm sure I don't need to remind anyone that effective edge is usually a more apples-to-apples comparison, but since most boards
have a similar edge-to-length ratio, people like to talk overall length 'cause it's usually printed on the board and in the model
name...


Hmm.. Gotta take that back, it was a 174 Palmer Shape. AFAIR it indeed has
less effective edge than it could for its length, while the Channel Titanium
has a pretty low shovel so lots of edge for the length.

Also tried a 173 Fastback, and it still was easier to handle than the freakin
Channel Titanium.



 




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