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On Sat, 08 Jan 2005 09:28:20 -0700, Bob Lee wrote this
crap: rosco wrote: ... My father of 70+ years old sez "if you ain't falling, you ain't learning". Your father's a bit of a windbag. My dad would squint through a cloud of straight Chesterfield smoke and sneer, "No falls, no balls." I got a sweatshirt from Boyne that says that. My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the ultimate power in the universe." |
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Bob Lee wrote:
rosco wrote: ... My father of 70+ years old sez "if you ain't falling, you ain't learning". Your father's a bit of a windbag. My dad would squint through a cloud of straight Chesterfield smoke and sneer, "No falls, no balls." Then again, there are always the times when "You fall, you die."In that case, balls and learning are not as important as staying on your feet. For every cave, there is a mantra. Make sure the mantra matches the cave. -klaus |
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Mary Malmros wrote:
The Real Bev wrote: rosco wrote: F**K the textbook approach. Get out and have fun and make some mistakes and eat some snow. Even tweek a knee or two - just not too badly. My father of 70+ years old sez "if you ain't falling, you ain't learning". Damn stoic of him. I say "If you fall you learned something wrong." Maybe I'll change my mind in 10 years. Or you didn't learn it yet and are in the process of doing so. That's how I learned that, yes, you really do have to lean into the wave when kayak surfing in the ocean. I have never been in a kayak, although I once rowed a canoe on a lake, and I have only body-surfed (which I think would be very different from board/kayak surfing) in the ocean. Wouldn't the lean-into-the-wave thing be intuitive? Just a different form of carving? -- Cheers, Bev ----------------------------------------------------------------- "Nothing in the universe can withstand the relentless application of brute force and ignorance." -- Frd, via Dennis (evil) |
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yunlong wrote:
What are the "outside edge" and "inside edge" when you ski straight, again? Unless you aren't built like the rest of us, "outside" is toward your elbows and "inside" is toward your crotch. HTH. -- Cheers, Bev "Only wimps use tape backup; *real* men just upload their important stuff on FTP, and let the rest of the world mirror it " -- Linus Torvalds |
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yunlong wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote: yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: [mercy snip] "Outside" relative to what. I think you mean outside relative to your body. If you meant the outside of the inside ski relative to the turn you would be in a heap of trouble. [more snip] Yes, the "inside" ski is determined in relation to the turn. So far so good the outside edge of this ski, then, is the big toe edge of that ski. Still with me? The outside edge of the inside ski, relative to the turn, is the big toe side of the ski. Period. You can't say it any other way. How do you identify the "outside" edge of your foot, where the ski is only an extension [of your foot]? Well, this is the problem we always get when someone comes along and starts creating new terminology, or -- in this case -- using conventional terminology in an unconventional way. VtSkier's usage agrees with that of every reference I've ever seen: "inside edge" and "outside edge" are relative to the turn. In any given turn, the "inside edge" is either the left edge of both skis, or the right edge of both skis. The use of the terms "inside" and "outside" to refer to medial and lateral aspects of the body is one that I have never before encountered in a skiing context. If yunlong wants to insist on this usage, he/she may feel free to do so, but if he/she wants to communicate and be understood, he/she would be better advised to use the terminology in the same way everyone else does. What are the "outside edge" and "inside edge" when you ski straight, again? Aren't any. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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The Real Bev wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote: The Real Bev wrote: rosco wrote: F**K the textbook approach. Get out and have fun and make some mistakes and eat some snow. Even tweek a knee or two - just not too badly. My father of 70+ years old sez "if you ain't falling, you ain't learning". Damn stoic of him. I say "If you fall you learned something wrong." Maybe I'll change my mind in 10 years. Or you didn't learn it yet and are in the process of doing so. That's how I learned that, yes, you really do have to lean into the wave when kayak surfing in the ocean. I have never been in a kayak, although I once rowed a canoe on a lake, and I have only body-surfed (which I think would be very different from board/kayak surfing) in the ocean. Wouldn't the lean-into-the-wave thing be intuitive? Just a different form of carving? Nope. Put it this way: the mountain isn't moving. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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On Fri, 07 Jan 2005 23:30:40 -0500, VtSkier
wrote: yunlong wrote: This is all I'm trying to say. I'm not arguing with your method, I'm only suggesting that your language must have internal and external consistency for your message to be heard. This inconsistency is the major reason you get ragged on in this newsgroup. Personally, I rag on him because he's trying to sell intermediate-level bad habits as a new and better way to ski. bw |
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Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: [mercy snip] "Outside" relative to what. I think you mean outside relative to your body. If you meant the outside of the inside ski relative to the turn you would be in a heap of trouble. [more snip] Yes, the "inside" ski is determined in relation to the turn. So far so good the outside edge of this ski, then, is the big toe edge of that ski. Still with me? The outside edge of the inside ski, relative to the turn, is the big toe side of the ski. Period. You can't say it any other way. How do you identify the "outside" edge of your foot, where the ski is only an extension [of your foot]? Well, this is the problem we always get when someone comes along and starts creating new terminology, or -- in this case -- using conventional terminology in an unconventional way. VtSkier's usage agrees with that of every reference I've ever seen: "inside edge" and "outside edge" are relative to the turn. In any given turn, the "inside edge" is either the left edge of both skis, or the right edge of both skis. The use of the terms "inside" and "outside" to refer to medial and lateral aspects of the body is one that I have never before encountered in a skiing context. If yunlong wants to insist on this usage, he/she may feel free to do so, but if he/she wants to communicate and be understood, he/she would be better advised to use the terminology in the same way everyone else does. Thank you Mary. VtSkier |
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Mary Malmros wrote:
yunlong wrote: Mary Malmros wrote: yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: yunlong wrote: VtSkier wrote: [mercy snip] "Outside" relative to what. I think you mean outside relative to your body. If you meant the outside of the inside ski relative to the turn you would be in a heap of trouble. [more snip] Yes, the "inside" ski is determined in relation to the turn. So far so good the outside edge of this ski, then, is the big toe edge of that ski. Still with me? The outside edge of the inside ski, relative to the turn, is the big toe side of the ski. Period. You can't say it any other way. How do you identify the "outside" edge of your foot, where the ski is only an extension [of your foot]? Well, this is the problem we always get when someone comes along and starts creating new terminology, or -- in this case -- using conventional terminology in an unconventional way. VtSkier's usage agrees with that of every reference I've ever seen: "inside edge" and "outside edge" are relative to the turn. In any given turn, the "inside edge" is either the left edge of both skis, or the right edge of both skis. The use of the terms "inside" and "outside" to refer to medial and lateral aspects of the body is one that I have never before encountered in a skiing context. If yunlong wants to insist on this usage, he/she may feel free to do so, but if he/she wants to communicate and be understood, he/she would be better advised to use the terminology in the same way everyone else does. What are the "outside edge" and "inside edge" when you ski straight, again? Aren't any. Or you don't know enough? "edges" are a physical property of a ski, they are always there. Here's a bit history maybe you were too young to remember, however, may give you an idea where/what "inside edge" and "outside edge" come about: "In the straight snowplow, the tips of your skis should be close together, while the tails are separated and held at equal angles from the fall line. Weight is even on the both skis, and the skis are on their INSIDE edges..."--SKI Magazine's Encyclopedia of Skiing, 1970-- IS -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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The Real Bev wrote:
yunlong wrote: What are the "outside edge" and "inside edge" when you ski straight, again? Unless you aren't built like the rest of us, "outside" is toward your elbows and "inside" is toward your crotch. HTH. Hmm... what's the "crotch" has anything to do with skiing? IS -- Cheers, Bev "Only wimps use tape backup; *real* men just upload their important stuff on FTP, and let the rest of the world mirror it " -- Linus Torvalds |
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