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Boot fitter - La Tania
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Ace wrote: [snip] Once I'd cracked it I had to learn to ski all over again, as every single type of turn felt completely different. Nowadays I can wear any old boots, like my current touring ones, which are about as closely fitting as a pair of wellies, without any adverse effects. Which is nice. For many years I was skiing both on- and off-piste using just my touring equipment. I'd had my touring boots properly fitted at Footworks in Chamonix, but obviously being touring boots they only give limited support and control. So a few years ago I went and had a pair of downhill boots fitted and have spent about one third of the time in downhill boots and two thirds in my touring boots (usually as separate trips). I'm convinced that practising with properly fitted downhill boots has improved my technique no end. However having improved using downhill boots I find I can quickly adapt to the looser fitting touring boots and still ski well. Mike -- o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark \__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, " || _`\,_ |__\ \ | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" |
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Boot fitter - La Tania
Ace wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:59:21 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote: I am on my second pair of fitted boots, which I got about 3 weeks ago, and have just skiied a week on. I still have problems (I seem to be moving forward in the boot - my heelp seems to be slipping about 3-5 mm forward during the day, and my pinkies seems to suffer from this). But I am now on a level of pain that I can endure for the whole day, while I used to be unable to have my boots clamped for more than an hour at most. I am taking the boots to my fitter (which I do not know how good is) next week - hopefully he can help me out. Without wishing to sound condescending[1] have you considered taking some advanced lessons? It seems to always stay with the thought ;-) IME problems like this are nearly always caused by less than perfect technique, which can sometimes be corrected very quickly. Sometimes not, of course, as was the case with me some years back. Your symptoms sound identical to what I used to be like, and it took two weeks worth of lessons with BASI Trainers before we got to the root of the problem. In my case, it was due to the lack of use of a single muscle in the shin, with which I was failing to pull my shins, and therefore knees, forward to get my weight properly centred. Interessting. I used to have very forward leaning, very stiff boots, and in those, I did not seem to slip forward (but, I did have all kind of pains, especially along the outerside of the right foot, and was unable to have the boot (losely!) clamped for more than an hour or so). It seems obvious however, that that could be a problem with my technique. Another thing is that I usually spend quite a long time waiting for the kids and the wife to get down the hills (usually skiing after them, not from them ;-). When I stand around, I tend to stand upright - perhaps my foot is shifting in the boot during that time? And, I should add, that taking t-lifts is absolutely the worst I can do. If I can stay on chairs for the day, I do not have any problems with my feet. Another symptom I experienced during the trip I have just returned from, was that I got some small wounds on the frontside of the lower leg, approx. 20 cm from the base of the foot. I see two explanations for this: either I _do_ lean forward, and therefore wear the skin, or, I do not lean enough forward, and overcompensate by clamping up very tight in the vertical part of the boot. I have never considered taking a lesson in order to identify the cause of my foot pain. Thanks for the suggestion, I will make sure to get a lesson on my next trip. Regards, Mads -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? |
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Boot fitter - La Tania
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 12:54:41 GMT, Mike Clark
wrote: In message Ace wrote: [snip] Once I'd cracked it I had to learn to ski all over again, as every single type of turn felt completely different. Nowadays I can wear any old boots, like my current touring ones, which are about as closely fitting as a pair of wellies, without any adverse effects. Which is nice. For many years I was skiing both on- and off-piste using just my touring equipment. I'd had my touring boots properly fitted at Footworks in Chamonix, but obviously being touring boots they only give limited support and control. So a few years ago I went and had a pair of downhill boots fitted and have spent about one third of the time in downhill boots and two thirds in my touring boots (usually as separate trips). I'm convinced that practising with properly fitted downhill boots has improved my technique no end. However having improved using downhill boots I find I can quickly adapt to the looser fitting touring boots and still ski well. That's pretty much my take on it too - up until a couple of years ago I was firmly[1] in the 'closely fitted boots are best' camp, until my wife and I skiied for a couple of days when on a US business trip. Long story short, we both ended up with very poorly-fitting rental boots, but to our astonishment we were able to ski wthout any problems whatsoever. We'd both been doing a lot of training in the prior few years, and had clearly crossed some barrier where we no longer needed the boots to hold us in position but were able to do so ourselves. Now we both use touring boots all the time (although she has the Garmont one, which is about as close as you can get to a normal downhill boot) and no longer have painful feet. [1] No pun intended -- Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club. |
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Boot fitter - La Tania
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:45:18 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg
wrote: I have never considered taking a lesson in order to identify the cause of my foot pain. Thanks for the suggestion, I will make sure to get a lesson on my next trip. If you're planning on doing this, make sure you find a good instructor who's used to this sort of problem diagnosis - a lot of the normal Ski-school instructors may not be qualified or experienced enough, so seek one out in advance. A quick google of BASI trainers would be a good starting point, or ask either on here or find the Ski Club rep in resort who will normally be happy and able to point you in the direction of a trusted instructor. -- Ace (brucedotrogers a.t rochedotcom) Ski Club of Great Britain - http://www.skiclub.co.uk All opinions expressed are personal and in no way represent those of the Ski Club. |
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Boot fitter - La Tania
"Mads Bondo Dydensborg" skrev i en meddelelse ... Ace wrote: On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:59:21 +0100, Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote: I have never considered taking a lesson in order to identify the cause of my foot pain. Thanks for the suggestion, I will make sure to get a lesson on my next trip. Regards, Mads -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ May I suggest, http://dendanskeskiskole.dk/da/dds_k...ivelse/teknik/ - they are very seriuos, and it has improved my skiing ability by 400% or so. -- Martin Rise Christensen Work is for people that don't know how to ski - so why do I work? |
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Boot fitter - La Tania
Ace wrote:
That's pretty much my take on it too - up until a couple of years ago I was firmly[1] in the 'closely fitted boots are best' camp, until my wife and I skiied for a couple of days when on a US business trip. Long story short, we both ended up with very poorly-fitting rental boots, but to our astonishment we were able to ski wthout any problems whatsoever. We'd both been doing a lot of training in the prior few years, and had clearly crossed some barrier where we no longer needed the boots to hold us in position but were able to do so ourselves. Hmm. I have been told, that if the boot is not tight, the foot will be more tense, thereby induce pains. I have no problems actually skiing with very loose, even open boots. But the pain used to be worse with my old boots, loose worn, than my new boots tightly worn: bearable: new boots tight slightly worse: new boots looser bad: old boots loose worst: old boots tight So, I am a bit confused here. Btw: Whats the difference between touring and downhill boots? (I am unfamiliar with the words, perhaps not the concept :-) Regards, Mads -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." -George Washington, November 4, 1796 "No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God." -George H. W. Bush, August 27, 1987 |
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Martin Rise Christensen wrote:
I have never considered taking a lesson in order to identify the cause of my foot pain. Thanks for the suggestion, I will make sure to get a lesson on my next trip. May I suggest, http://dendanskeskiskole.dk/da/dds_k...ivelse/teknik/ - they are very seriuos, and it has improved my skiing ability by 400% or so. Thanks, that looks very nice. I think it might just be slightly hard to combine with a family vacation however... :-) And, I am not sure my wife would appreciate me taking a week off (from the family) during the summer in order to improve my skiing. (Definitively worth asking, but I guess I know the answer). Hmm. It seems there are many opinions on the cause of foot pain, from Plantar Fasciitis, over badly fitted boots, to lacking ability. :-) I just wish I could get my feet to stop hurting for good ;-) Regards, Mads -- Mads Bondo Dydensborg http://www.madsdydensborg.dk/ I don't say this lightly. However, I really think that the U.S. no longer is classifiable as a democracy, but rather as a plutocracy. - H. Peter Anvin |
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Boot fitter - La Tania
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Mads Bondo Dydensborg wrote: [snip] Btw: Whats the difference between touring and downhill boots? (I am unfamiliar with the words, perhaps not the concept :-) Touring boots are intended for use with touring bindings such as the Frischi Diamir, or the Dynafit Tourlight, bindings. These boots and bindings have a walk mode so that when skinning uphill, or walking and carrying skis, or when using crampons, they provide more of the comfort of a plastic winter mountaineering boot. They also have walking soles with treads which provide grip when walking, but which mean they cannot safely be used in ordainary ski bindings because they would not release at the appropriate DIN settings. Touring boots usually provide a compromise between comfort when walking and skinning, versus support when skiing downhill. Some touring boots have an elaborate system of straps and clips, as well as different forward lean positions, to try to achieve the best downhill performance, but most of them are still much less supportive than dedicated downhill boots. But they are usually warmer and more comfortable to wear all day. eg see http://www.alpine-guides.com/ski%20m...vice.htm#Boots Mike -- o/ \\ // |\ ,_ o Mike Clark \__,\\ // __o | \ / /\, "A mountain climbing, cycling, skiing, " || _`\,_ |__\ \ | immunology lecturer, antibody engineer and ` || (_)/ (_) | \corn computer user" |
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Boot fitter - La Tania
In message , Stan Mullery
writes In the morningsIi do up my two foot clips normally and only just hook in my two leg clips whilst walking to the gondola etc. and getting up the mountain. Many I time I've skied for a couple of hours and only when I've sat down for elevenses have I realised I hadn't done my boots up. Clips are for poofs, unless of course you are in powder and don't like wet feet. -- Devs "Punchdown Pete the old Kroner" |
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