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A couple of questions about Bourg St Maurice
"pg" wrote in message ... | | wrote in message | ups.com... || On Feb 16, 12:23 pm, "pg" wrote: || wrote in message This pm's webcam shows the Petit St Bernard hotel... http://mysnowsports.com/webcams/bsm700.jpg Gives a good idea of where the snowline is compared to the town. Tropical weather the past two days - O° isotherm up at 3100m right now. This webcam from 2400m at Les Arcs yesterday (no tampering involved) tells a story.... http://mysnowsports.com/webcams/webfly.jpg Same high temps tomorrow, but cooler again from Sunday. No significant snowfall expected through next week. Pete |
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A couple of questions about Bourg St Maurice
"Ace" wrote in message ... | On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 13:51:06 +0100, "pg" | wrote: | | If it's | a sunny day which means the hordes will be out, and you happen to have a | car, I would consider driving up to park in the free car park at the | bottom of the 1950/2000 domain, at the Pre St Esprit. From here the is a | little known run, the Rhonaz blue (it's not even marked) opposite the | Comborciere lift (across on the other side of the road). It includes a | short and easy draglift, then you ski on into the Villaroger sector. | | Good tip there. Never done that myself but I'll bear it in mind next | time we're down your way. | | Assuming decent snow (ie low down) Villaroger is the place to ski during | Feb half term, the crowds don't seem to find their way across to this | end of the ski area. | | Yes, I'd certainly agree here - many of the slopes on that side are | also much less rocky than other parts, so even with less than perfect | snow coverage ski damage is generally avoidable. It takes about 15 minutes to drive to Villaroger Le Pre itself from Bourg, so that's another option. When there are high winds and both the Aiguille Rouge and the Lanchettes chair are shut, all the more reason to head for the Villaroger sector. Firstly, it's completely protected from the winds. If visibility is poor all the slopes are tree-lined. And most important of all - virtually no one from the busy Arc 2000/1950 area finds their way there when access is only possible via the Rhonaz blue. Peisey used to be similarly quiet :-( Big developments on the domain, with the new Intrawest construction at 1800, plus a large residential complex and new seasonnaires' building at Arc 1600. We're going to need some new runs. At least the massive new reservoir is close to approval at last (Arc 2000). They have had to be pretty sparing with the snow cannons this year at times. Pete http://mysnowsports.com |
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A couple of questions about Bourg St Maurice
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Peisey used to be similarly quiet :-( Big developments on the domain, with the new Intrawest construction at 1800, plus a large residential complex and new seasonnaires' building at Arc 1600. We're going to need some new runs. At least the massive new reservoir is close to approval at last (Arc 2000). They have had to be pretty sparing with the snow cannons this year at times. Pete http://mysnowsports.com I think you are right about more runs and more lifts being required to match these new developments - but where to put them? My only thoughts are over the Col de Chal between the A. Rousse and the A. du st. Esprit. But this is south facing. Are there any plans to extend the Les Arcs Ski area. If not, then it could end up like St. Anton, a brilliant ski area ruined by having too many beds and resulting grossly overcrowded pites. BTW does the Rhonaz drag ever run? John |
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A couple of questions about Bourg St Maurice
"john elgy" wrote in message ... | pg wrote: | | Peisey used to be similarly quiet :-( | | Big developments on the domain, with the new Intrawest construction at | 1800, plus a large residential complex and new seasonnaires' building at | Arc 1600. We're going to need some new runs. At least the massive new | reservoir is close to approval at last (Arc 2000). They have had to be | pretty sparing with the snow cannons this year at times. | | I think you are right about more runs and more lifts being required to | match these new developments - but where to put them? My only thoughts | are over the Col de Chal between the A. Rousse and the A. du st. Esprit. | But this is south facing. | | Are there any plans to extend the Les Arcs Ski area. If not, then it | could end up like St. Anton, a brilliant ski area ruined by having too | many beds and resulting grossly overcrowded pites. | | BTW does the Rhonaz drag ever run? Has to be checked in advance... it isn't today for example. But whenever the Lanchettes is closed and there's no other access to the Villaroger sector (eg via the Aiguille Rouge) it's invariably open. Was running through all the bad weather last week. Spoke to the lift company last year about plans for the domain - the main 'enlargement' of the ski area involves the widening of current pistes - which will be helped by the big increase in artificial snow coverage... an infrastructure which hopefully will actually be supplied with some water, unlike during the current winter . Pete http://mysnowsports.com |
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A couple of questions about Bourg St Maurice
On 16 Feb, 20:37, "pg" wrote:
"pg" wrote in message ... || wrote in message oups.com... || On Feb 16, 12:23 pm, "pg" wrote: || wrote in message This pm's webcam shows the Petit St Bernard hotel...http://mysnowsports.com/webcams/bsm700.jpg Gives a good idea of where the snowline is compared to the town. Tropical weather the past two days - O° isotherm up at 3100m right now. This webcam from 2400m at Les Arcs yesterday (no tampering involved) tells a story.... http://mysnowsports.com/webcams/webfly.jpg Same high temps tomorrow, but cooler again from Sunday. No significant snowfall expected through next week. Pete Ha - that made me laugh. I got woken up from a deep, hungover sleep yesterday by a housefly buzzing around my window. I shouted "Don't you know how high we are?" and passed out again. On the subject of extending domains, I heard an astonishing rumour last month that somebody fancies joining up the Espace Killy, Paradiski and Three Valleys. I know there are some off piste itineries that can get you close to this, but piste-ing it? I don't know the geography well enough, but the guy who told me is always full of so much Mutzig induced merde that I didn't give it much thought. I'm sure the environmentalists would have a field day with such a proposal. Companie des Alpes pipe dream I expect, if that. M |
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A couple of questions about Bourg St Maurice
On 18 Feb 2007 08:21:23 -0800, "Matt T" wrote:
On the subject of extending domains, I heard an astonishing rumour last month that somebody fancies joining up the Espace Killy, Paradiski and Three Valleys. I know there are some off piste itineries that can get you close to this, but piste-ing it? I don't know the geography well enough, but the guy who told me is always full of so much Mutzig induced merde that I didn't give it much thought. I'm sure the environmentalists would have a field day with such a proposal. Companie des Alpes pipe dream I expect, if that. M This is a very old rumour/project. No chance whatsoever. Technically possible but National parks are protected even in libetarian France. There would be a need to disturb the Parc national de la Vanoise. (To include Espace Killy) Some links can be made but there is no commercial imperative to do so, For instance to link Pralognan La Vanoise's downhill ski area into the three valleys requires one lift each. Pralognan thinks this is a very good idea but the other lift would be from Courchevel 1650. This is the quietest place in Courchevel ski area. They see no need expand the backwater. Pralognan is in the same valley as Courchevel and on the same side. Pralognan is actually in the National Park but the downhill skiing area is back down the valley. The cross country routes are into the park. Champagny en Vanoise is also in this valley. Getting to the other side of the valley (probably to Courchevel 1650 rather than Pralognan) is a much tougher problem than the Vanoise Express. But this mind boggling engineering would indirectly link Villaroger (Les Arcs) to Orelle (in the Mauriene valley beyond Val Thorens). There are some posibilities for major link ups elsewhere. St Sorlin, who have already pushed further up Col de la Croix de Fer than some people say they promised they would, want to continue to Vaujany. This would link the Les Sybelles ski area to the Alpe D'Huez ski area. The main problem here is a large flat area that would need to be crossed. This is possible as anyone who has skied the Sella Ronda, between Corvara and Colfosco (The two small resorts are linked by two low nearly level lifts, but no skiing). Les Sept Laux also want to attach to Vaujany, they have problems getting there too. There is a major problem here. At the moment the number of people mistiming their return to their home valley is relatively low. I sometimes stay in a room overlooking the Tufs lift in Tignes Val Claret. This lift is one of the ways to return to Val D'Isere or Tignes Lac. I sit watching as this long chair lift is running to ensure there is no one is still on it. This attracts various types. It varies from the unimportant I want another ride through people from other Tignes areas who are one (or two) free bus rides from home, to the very upset Val D'Isere visitors who have found themselves in the wrong valley. It is not actually that bad, but people who get stuck in the wrong valley rarely know the best way to travel between them. They sometime have amusing tantrums. I am not ashamed to say it is excellent apres-ski entertainment. I expect enlargement would leave many more people badly stranded. |
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A couple of questions about Bourg St Maurice
Ian Blake wrote:
On 18 Feb 2007 08:21:23 -0800, "Matt T" wrote: On the subject of extending domains, I heard an astonishing rumour last month that somebody fancies joining up the Espace Killy, Paradiski and Three Valleys. I know there are some off piste itineries that can get you close to this, but piste-ing it? I don't know the geography well enough, but the guy who told me is always full of so much Mutzig induced merde that I didn't give it much thought. I'm sure the environmentalists would have a field day with such a proposal. Companie des Alpes pipe dream I expect, if that. M This is a very old rumour/project. No chance whatsoever. Technically possible but National parks are protected even in libetarian France. There would be a need to disturb the Parc national de la Vanoise. (To include Espace Killy) Some links can be made but there is no commercial imperative to do so, For instance to link Pralognan La Vanoise's downhill ski area into the three valleys requires one lift each. Pralognan thinks this is a very good idea but the other lift would be from Courchevel 1650. This is the quietest place in Courchevel ski area. They see no need expand the backwater. Pralognan is in the same valley as Courchevel and on the same side. Pralognan is actually in the National Park but the downhill skiing area is back down the valley. The cross country routes are into the park. Champagny en Vanoise is also in this valley. Getting to the other side of the valley (probably to Courchevel 1650 rather than Pralognan) is a much tougher problem than the Vanoise Express. But this mind boggling engineering would indirectly link Villaroger (Les Arcs) to Orelle (in the Mauriene valley beyond Val Thorens). There are some posibilities for major link ups elsewhere. St Sorlin, who have already pushed further up Col de la Croix de Fer than some people say they promised they would, want to continue to Vaujany. This would link the Les Sybelles ski area to the Alpe D'Huez ski area. The main problem here is a large flat area that would need to be crossed. This is possible as anyone who has skied the Sella Ronda, between Corvara and Colfosco (The two small resorts are linked by two low nearly level lifts, but no skiing). Les Sept Laux also want to attach to Vaujany, they have problems getting there too. There is a major problem here. At the moment the number of people mistiming their return to their home valley is relatively low. I sometimes stay in a room overlooking the Tufs lift in Tignes Val Claret. This lift is one of the ways to return to Val D'Isere or Tignes Lac. I sit watching as this long chair lift is running to ensure there is no one is still on it. This attracts various types. It varies from the unimportant I want another ride through people from other Tignes areas who are one (or two) free bus rides from home, to the very upset Val D'Isere visitors who have found themselves in the wrong valley. It is not actually that bad, but people who get stuck in the wrong valley rarely know the best way to travel between them. They sometime have amusing tantrums. I am not ashamed to say it is excellent apres-ski entertainment. I expect enlargement would leave many more people badly stranded. Thanks for the very informative artiicle Ian. The intersting thing about all these proposed link ups is they do very little to actually increase the area available for skiing. They appear to be mainly marketting excercises to say my resort is bigger than yours. Witness the Vanoise express. From what I can see it is probably the least used lift in the paradski area. Ever since it opened I have skied 2 weeks a year in Les Arcs and have been across to La Plange once; normally I cannot be bothered with the extra 25 euro. Has anyone else used it much, perhaps 2 or three times a holiday? What would be interesting is if a ski area actually added a new lift or two into a completely undeveloped area. BTW what is the skiing in Pralognan like? Would it be worth a day or two? John |
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On 18 Feb, 21:25, Ian Blake wrote:
I am not ashamed to say it is excellent apres-ski entertainment. I expect enlargement would leave many more people badly stranded. Heh - the old 5 o'clock Tommeuse shuffle. Never been caught out myself, but I've cut it close a few times. Thanks for the informative post. Matt |
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A couple of questions about Bourg St Maurice
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:19:14 +0000, john elgy
wrote: Thanks for the very informative artiicle Ian. The intersting thing about all these proposed link ups is they do very little to actually increase the area available for skiing. They appear to be mainly marketting excercises to say my resort is bigger than yours. Witness the Vanoise express. From what I can see it is probably the least used lift in the paradski area. Ever since it opened I have skied 2 weeks a year in Les Arcs and have been across to La Plange once; normally I cannot be bothered with the extra 25 euro. Has anyone else used it much, perhaps 2 or three times a holiday? What would be interesting is if a ski area actually added a new lift or two into a completely undeveloped area. BTW what is the skiing in Pralognan like? Would it be worth a day or two? John Actually a bit of misinformation. I should of looked at the map before I mentioned this one. The Pralogonan ski area is on the wrong side of Pralognan. This explains S3Vs coolness to the project. They get two new pistes one in their area and one in Pralognan that is not linked to the rest of the area. Pralognan get a second ski area. Perhaps that Remy Loisirs now own a big chunk of S3V as well as Pralognan this may change. I can not comment on the quality of Pralognan skiing. It is small area with what appears to be a good mix of pistes. Certainly better than Doucy Combelouviere (timid beginners only). I suspect it would be fine for a day or two but too small for a week. Unless you like ski touring and cross country then you would be in a great location. I admit I did use the Vanoise Express three times last time I was in Les Arc. I quite liked the fact that apart from first thing in the morning it is lightly used. But that is what you would expect, mostly we cross to spend a day in La Plagne. I noticed that more people appear to visit Les Arcs than the other way around. I quite like the trip to Montalbert or Champagny for lunch. In the restaurant above Champagny I was looking down on Courchevel. Montalbert is a pretty little resort. The Vanoise Express certainly make such mini expeditions possible. You are right. Most development does not expand the area. This is not univerally true. Most resorts are hemmed in by National Park and geography so can not do anything but there examples where this is not true. In the last few years the Valley de Belleville have pushed over into Orelle and built new lifts into a previously unserved area. On the other hand they promised not to build any new accomdation in Val Thorens. Good but, lower down the valley used to be pleasantly quiet. St Martin and Les Menuires have expanded accomodation massively. So queues are common here. I think each village are trying to destroy their respective reputations. Les Menuires I understand but St Martin was thought of as one of the prettiest ski resorts. Now they are both faux tyrolean monstrocities. I feel even Les Menuires has lost some of its soul when they dynamited a few of the infamous tower blocks. Avoriaz has some ski area expansion ambitions. Some land trading between France, Andorra and Spain has allowed several resorts to dream of massive expansion. |
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