If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#11
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 20:12:43 GMT, "Suanne Lippman"
wrote: I just bought a pair of Fischer skis and bindings over the internet for my wife. (actually everyone local was out of stock for the year!) The system is such that mounting the bindings and setting them for the boot size is pretty foolproof. She is a very conservative skier, so setting the adjustments at the very bottom of the scale (4) like her old skis should be fine. I am able to pop the boots out with what seems like a reasonable amount of force Is there any compelling reason to have an "expert" check this over; are brand new binding likely to be really far off? If it were for me I wouldn't worry about it, but I would hate to see someone else get hurt because I would spring for a prudent expense. There is no compelling reason to have an expert check a brand new pair of bindings unless you like wasting your time. Set them yourself if your comfortable. I do all my own settings, mountings, drilling, adjustments. DIN charts are available all over the internet with a quick search - a ski shop will be using the exact same formula's. Do a little research, and then do the bindings. You'll be in a better position to fix or adjust them on the fly down the road. Good luck. nate |
Ads |
#12
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
VtSkier wrote:
Suanne Lippman wrote: I just bought a pair of Fischer skis and bindings over the internet for my wife. (actually everyone local was out of stock for the year!) The system is such that mounting the bindings and setting them for the boot size is pretty foolproof. She is a very conservative skier, so setting the adjustments at the very bottom of the scale (4) like her old skis should be fine. I am able to pop the boots out with what seems like a reasonable amount of force Is there any compelling reason to have an "expert" check this over; are brand new binding likely to be really far off? If it were for me I wouldn't worry about it, but I would hate to see someone else get hurt because I would spring for a prudent expense. Thanks. Go ahead and use the bindings, but spring the 20 bucks it will (should) be for a torque test and put your and her mind at rest. Make the problem someone else's so you don't get blamed if something goes wrong. I think I've asked this before, but I have never had a binding "torque tested" to my knowledge, is this a purely North American thing like the "Indemnity list"? -- -- Chris *:-) |
#13
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
MoonMan wrote:
VtSkier wrote: Suanne Lippman wrote: I just bought a pair of Fischer skis and bindings over the internet for my wife. (actually everyone local was out of stock for the year!) The system is such that mounting the bindings and setting them for the boot size is pretty foolproof. She is a very conservative skier, so setting the adjustments at the very bottom of the scale (4) like her old skis should be fine. I am able to pop the boots out with what seems like a reasonable amount of force Is there any compelling reason to have an "expert" check this over; are brand new binding likely to be really far off? If it were for me I wouldn't worry about it, but I would hate to see someone else get hurt because I would spring for a prudent expense. Thanks. Go ahead and use the bindings, but spring the 20 bucks it will (should) be for a torque test and put your and her mind at rest. Make the problem someone else's so you don't get blamed if something goes wrong. I think I've asked this before, but I have never had a binding "torque tested" to my knowledge, is this a purely North American thing like the "Indemnity list"? A torque test is a measured (with equipment) release of your bindings intended to assure that the boot/binding system is releasing at the amount of force required for the recommended DIN setting. In the US we test ALL bindings mounted in a shop and test rental bindings at least once a year after the initial setup. As for customer bindings, once the initial setup is made, the customer needs to request a test. If a shop is asked to adjust a binding to a new boot for instance, they will insist on doing a torque test at the same time. A good shop won't charge if any part of the system has been bought from the shop. Yes, I'm sure it's part of our litigious nature. However much of the equipment nowadays used for testing comes from Europe, and although the initial studies and testing was done here (in Vermont actually), the standards are European, so I'm sure you can have your bindings tested in Europe if you want to. |
#14
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
bumpfreaq wrote:
On Feb 13, 5:24 pm, Walt wrote: Yeah, like tattoos, haircuts, and appendectomies, you don't want to do it yourself and you don't want to go to the cheapest guy in town. Hey, what's wrong with cutting my own hair? Well, it seems like an unnecessary effort for one. http://www.frappr.com/?a=photo&gid=381229&pid=363620&src=flash_slidetick er //Walt |
#15
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
Suanne Lippman wrote:
Is there any compelling reason to have an "expert" check this over; Do you know where the forward pressure indicator is located, and how to read it? (Completely different than the DIN indicator, and different for every manufacturer and model, unlike DIN.) Do you know there's no hidden manufacturing defect? That the DIN indicator reading matches the actual torque for all release modes? That all modes release? Anyway, have fun. Bye. |
#16
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
MoonMan wrote:
I think I've asked this before, but I have never had a binding "torque tested" to my knowledge, is this a purely North American thing like the "Indemnity list"? You are kidding yourself if you think there's no European equivalent to the "Indemnity list," which after all is just a manufacturer's list of bindings they manufactured that they think are still safe and functional. |
#17
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
uglymoney wrote:
There is no compelling reason to have an expert check a brand new pair of bindings It's perfectly possible to know where and how to use the forward pressure indicator on your new bindings (although it still surprises me how many people don't even know it exists) so I won't argue that point. However, while the binding DIN indicator is supposed to directly translate to a torque (it is of course the release torque that's important, not the DIN reading) sometimes there's a manufacturing error or merely a tolerance error that slips by the quality control. A small, but real risk even with new bindings. With experience twisting or levering out can tell you if there's a gross error but the torque and DIN reading may still be off a lessor but still important difference. For used bindings this becomes a major problem, for the mismatch between DIN and torque can grow with time. One of the ways a binding can fail in the shop is is the mismatch between DIN reading and torque becomes out of tolerance (shop rats that I've good relations with have sometimes officially paperwork failed a binding for this, then proceeded to set the binding purely by torque readings - they're willing to do so since they know me and my ski history.) Basically what this says is that setting used bindings to a supposed torque by setting the DIN indicator doesn't always get you what you expect. A few years back someone published a table of binding DIN readings versus actual torque for numerous aging bindings for all manufacturers and numerous models. Interestingly there was a strong correlation to manufacturer - Marker kept within tolerance by far the best. Since all the current designs postdate that study there's no real reason to mention which manufacturer's bindings diverged the most (and even the Marker data is out of date.) Suffice to say their was (and I suspect still is) in how bindings age AND for all the DIN reading drifted with age. Another good reason to test older bindings. |
#18
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
On Feb 14, 9:20 am, Walt wrote:
bumpfreaq wrote: On Feb 13, 5:24 pm, Walt wrote: Yeah, like tattoos, haircuts, and appendectomies, you don't want to do it yourself and you don't want to go to the cheapest guy in town. Hey, what's wrong with cutting my own hair? Well, it seems like an unnecessary effort for one. http://www.frappr.com/?a=photo&gid=381229&pid=363620&src=flash_slidet... //Walt Hooohooo! To the contrary, it's a necessary effort to cut lots and lots of my hairs a few times a week in order to maintain that clean and shiny look. Chris 3 more days of work 4 more days 'til I'm driving west 5 more days 'til sliding down that slippery slope And.... it's snowing in CO SnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowSnowsnowsnowsn owsnowsnowsnowsnowsnow Snowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowbeercheeseands now |
#19
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
bumpfreaq wrote:
On Feb 14, 9:20 am, Walt wrote: bumpfreaq wrote: Hey, what's wrong with cutting my own hair? Well, it seems like an unnecessary effort for one. http://www.frappr.com/?a=photo&gid=381229&pid=363620&src=flash_slidet... Hooohooo! To the contrary, it's a necessary effort to cut lots and lots of my hairs a few times a week in order to maintain that clean and shiny look. Well, I've always advocated waxing and tuning at home rather than leaving it to the pros. You get dispensation under that exception. 3 more days of work 4 more days 'til I'm driving west 5 more days 'til sliding down that slippery slope And.... it's snowing in CO SnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowSnowsnowsnowsn owsnowsnowsnowsnowsnow Snowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowbeercheeseands now //Walt |
#20
|
|||
|
|||
Can I set my own bindings?
On Feb 14, 12:41 pm, Walt wrote:
bumpfreaq wrote: On Feb 14, 9:20 am, Walt wrote: bumpfreaq wrote: Hey, what's wrong with cutting my own hair? Well, it seems like an unnecessary effort for one. http://www.frappr.com/?a=photo&gid=381229&pid=363620&src=flash_slidet... Hooohooo! To the contrary, it's a necessary effort to cut lots and lots of my hairs a few times a week in order to maintain that clean and shiny look. Well, I've always advocated waxing and tuning at home rather than leaving it to the pros. You get dispensation under that exception. Excellent! I guess I'll be off to tune my head now. Chris 3 more days of work 4 more days 'til I'm driving west 5 more days 'til sliding down that slippery slope And.... it's snowing in CO SnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowSnowsnowsnowsn owsnowsnowsnowsnowsnow Snowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowsnowbeercheeseands now //Walt |
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Salomon Relay XLT Bindings - perception and sizing | dengel | Snowboarding | 0 | January 19th 07 07:59 PM |
Bindings Advice Sought | Espressopithecus | Alpine Skiing | 10 | January 7th 07 01:22 AM |
Bindings from straight skiis suitable for for shaped? | [email protected] | Alpine Skiing | 7 | October 14th 05 05:48 PM |
Mounting alpine bindings | Terry Hill | Alpine Skiing | 26 | December 6th 03 05:51 AM |
Atomic Ski Bindings - 4.12 or 6.14 which is better for me? | Christopher Luke | Alpine Skiing | 7 | August 10th 03 03:40 PM |