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On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:44:29 +0100, David Off
wrote: J-Ph wrote: The Savoie department being a local community ("collectivité locale") is not part of the French state, even though it is part of France. Certes, depuis la reforme de la decentralisation de 1982, les collectivites locales ont acquis une certaine forme d'independance par rapport a l'Etat francais mais font toujours partie de la France. What a brilliant example of the spirit of this group! (ref recent debates about the formation of a uk. hierarchy skiing group) A (presumably) Frenchman writing in english about French constitutional matters and an Englishman responding in french explaining recent changes in arrangements.between national and local government. Magnifique! (well it amused me) ernest |
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"David Off" a écrit dans le message news: ... Certes, depuis la reforme de la decentralisation de 1982, les collectivites locales ont acquis une certaine forme d'independance par rapport a l'Etat francais mais font toujours partie de la France. D'ailleurs, par exemple, le Prefet de chaque departement peut exercer diverses formes de controle sur les maires. Pour en revenir a la question et a ce que je disais, est-ce que la commune de St Bon et le departement de Savoie pourraient vendre la station de Courchevel 1850 a un bussinessman sans demander l'aval du conseil general? [broken English below] Ben non, puisque "décision du département de Savoie" = "décision du conseil général de Savoie" (ne pas confondre avec la préfecture, qui est en quelque sorte la représentation de l'Etat dans le département). Je peux t'assurer que le 1er ministre, par l'intermediaire de son representant dans le departement, le Prefet, serait amene a donner son avis sur la question. En l'occurrence, le rôle du préfet est essentiellement de contrôler la légalité des décisions des collectivités : http://www.dgcl.interieur.gouv.fr/Or...on%20territori ale/Control_legal_orga_territ.html Autrement dit, si la décision du département est légale et qu'elle relève de son niveau de compétence, l'état n'a aucun moyen de s'y opposer. In a way, you're still true : if the departement wants to do something it is entitled to do, and the state really wants to prevent it from doing it, we can imagine the state doing everything it can to achieve its goal (and the state still has means of applying pressure), but that doesn't change anything from a legal point of view. A few years ago, the Vienne departement decided to sell a large and famous theme park it had built ; I don't think the state played any role. Maybe it would be the same with the ski-lifts in Courchevel. JPh |
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"J-Ph" wrote in message ...
snip I've noted what you had to say. A few years ago, the Vienne departement decided to sell a large and famous theme park it had built ; I don't think the state played any role. Maybe it would be the same with the ski-lifts in Courchevel. Well I hope this isn't the case, although why someone shouldn't be able to buy Courchevel's lifts if the Department wishes to sell them I don't know. I just don't think the man in question is a particuarly savory character myself. That said, Courchevel ending in Russian hands would be a suitable epitaph for the broken dreams of Laurant Chappis. At least it is not the CdA :-) |
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Sue wrote in
: Which would you say is the ugliest carbuncle in the Alps? Les Menuires, without a doubt... /Tommy |
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"Tommy Petersson" wrote in message . 1.4... | Sue wrote in | : | | Which would you say is the ugliest carbuncle in the Alps? | | Les Menuires, without a doubt... Les Menuires has got nothing on Superdevoluy...... Pete |
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"PG" wrote in news:brurv5$7m1gs$1@ID-
146837.news.uni-berlin.de: "Tommy Petersson" wrote in message . 1.4... | Sue wrote in | : | | Which would you say is the ugliest carbuncle in the Alps? | | Les Menuires, without a doubt... Les Menuires has got nothing on Superdevoluy...... Pete Where's that? /Tommy |
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"Tommy Petersson" wrote in message . 1.4... | "PG" wrote in news:brurv5$7m1gs$1@ID- | 146837.news.uni-berlin.de: | "Tommy Petersson" wrote in message | . 1.4... | | Sue wrote in | | : | | | | Which would you say is the ugliest carbuncle in the Alps? | | | | Les Menuires, without a doubt... | | Les Menuires has got nothing on Superdevoluy...... | | Where's that? A line of huge ugly 60s delapidated skyscrapers, a low altitude (1400) resort in the southern French Alps. Difference between SuperD and Menuires? Money mainly. Pete |
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In message , funkraum
writes Las Vegas knows what to do with its old hotels and I suggest those French Alpine resorts afflicted follow suite. Having lately seen Cervinia, I'd like to propose an extra Concrete Carbuncle award for the resort with the greatest density of disused cable stations. Surely there must be some way of removing them? -- Sue ];( |
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funkraum wrote in
: Nowwadeaminute. . . . . . . . a flame-war is an ugly thing ..... ...UNT I TZINK ITS TIME VEEE HAD VON !!!!!!! To paraphrase the late great Mr Bridger, "You must learn, Meade, that there are more important things than cheap accommodation for skiers." After the advent of Christianity and the subsequent wholesale destruction of the artistic works of the 'Pagan' religions leaving only the remnants we know as 'classicism', the French Stalinist-Brutalist architectural invasion of Alps is the second-largest aesthetic disaster ever to befall mankind. Can you imagine Wordsworth, Whymper, Goethe, cresting a ridge and leaning on their staff to behold ........ Flaine ?? Christ on a motorbike - they would probably roll about in the snow in convulsions before death mercifully overtook them. Kill another man and that is murder. Kill hundreds and that is mass murder. But committing acts which offend the senses of not just those present at the time but all future generations is a crime against civilisation itself and needs to be treated accordingly. Las Vegas knows what to do with its old hotels and I suggest those French Alpine resorts afflicted follow suite. (Not to want to propigate a flamewar, but...) I personally think it works quite well - it's nice enough (and practical) when you're in the resort, and looking down on it from the mountains it integrates with the surroundings quite nicely (more so than the twee mock-Nordic chalets further up in the Hameau de Flaine). AC. P.S. BMW obviously like it aswell - the 3 series TV ad with the bloke having his medical! |
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