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I have been involved in officiating BC loppets 3 times when there have been
disqualifications. One involved a skier who took the wrong (shorter) course even though several hundred other people had no problem following the markings. I think he had skied the race a previous year when a different course was used and did not believe the trail markings that were sending him a different way. He readily admitted his error. Another involved a skier who changed skis half way through a classic race. The course passed through the start/finish area half way through the race when it finished one course and started on a different one. Many skiers were having trouble with their wax wearing off and one skier stopped and changed into another waxed pair of skis that he had left leaning on a fence. He then moved from 7th to first place as he passed skiers who struggled on with their worn wax. He was disqualified for changing skis. He thought that if there was no ski marking he would be OK, but the rules clearly state that you can only change one ski and even then you have to show that the replaced ski was broken. The seven skiers he passed would have been upset if he wasn't disqualified for taking an unfair and illegal advantage. He was a very experienced competitive skier who should have known the rules. The third skier that was disqualified was for skating in a classic race. He was a contender for the win and skated up most of the steep uphills. He was spotted by course marshals and also reported by the three or four other skiers in the lead group in his age class. At his level of skiing he was expected to know the difference between herringbone and offset skating. I suspect that he missed the wax and skating up the hills was the only way he could stay with the leaders. On many other cases there have been verbal warnings given to people who used a "gliding herringbone" or repeatedly skated from one classic track to another. These were all cases where it was reasonable to assume the skier did not know any better and where the overall results were not affected. Scott "Jim Flom" wrote in message news:0MLTf.5012$nQ6.3439@clgrps13... "Mark Waechter" wrote ... It's not so sinister ... The fellow in question missed a turn and thus skied a shorter lap. He's happy to tell you that there's no way he could possibly have won by 10 minutes. I'm happy to tell you that the DQ'd skier is a great guy, a beautiful classic skier, and was only dissappointed that the course wasn't as well marked as it could've been. The people at SovLk do a great job, so I'm not quibbling with their efforts, either. Just trying to clear up the mystery DQ. Certainly, and I didn't intend to imply sinister, I was just surprised to see it and curious about different possible DQs. I could just as easily have left out the name of the race. Didn't wish to single anyone out. JF |
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"Derick Fay" wrote in message
oups.com... To draw further on your expertise, Bob, how might one (almost) get a DNS?.... LOL I'm guessing he have a baby? I really hope it was nothing bad like a car accident or working overtime. Bob The key word was "almost"...I was actually thinking of showing up at a race with one of your boots and one of your wife's... oh that! Gee, I'd almost forgotten ;-) I've been so busy telling people about my first-ever age-division win, I guess it just slipped my mind. Just to fill everyone else in: Derick drove the two of us to the Gold Rush on Sunday. I performed my usual race prep (setting out equipment, eating a bowl of cereal, etc) and piled into his car at 6:30am for the 8 o-clock start. When we unloaded at the parking lot, I discovered that I had grabbed 2 pilot boots: one mine and one of my wife's. Oops. Several people standing nearby in the parking lot took some amusement in the ensuing sheepish phone call to Mary. As she got dressed and drove over to Royal Gorge, I warmed up by running in the parking lot. Mary dropped off the boot and turned around to have breakfast back at the cabin. I managed to get to the start line with about 90 seconds to spare but with absolutely no on-snow warm-up. Given that this was the best placing I've ever had in a race, I may never warm-up on snow again ;-) Bob btw: Royal Gouge refused to rent me a boot - the stated policy is that they "do not rent equipment for a race". I believe they are the only resort in the Tahoe area with this policy. I know for a fact that Tahoe XC is happy to rent equipment for The Great Ski Race - a race that is far harder on poles and skis than the Gold Rush. |
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Chris writes:
"Quite a few were disqualified at the Keskinada classic because weather had forced a modification of the course and people got very confused. Last minute changes can leave everybody confused." From [short loop-really long loop], it got changed to [short-medium-short-medium], to avoid a lot of clutter from a big ice storm the day before. But they used good sense, and did not DSQ a whole bunch of people who made mistakes and skied it incorrectly, but actually did the whole distance. That includes the actual winner of the race, Phil Shaw. It's clear from the intermediate times that he ended up doing [short-short-medium-medium]. Independent evidence is that he came ripping past a whole bunch of us who had done a bit less than [short-medium] when he was already almost finished [short-short-medium]. Probably he had earlier got a gap during the first short loop (9km), and got waved through by mistake instead of directed to turn right. And he probably had a pretty bad time getting past all us slowpokes. If you look at those intermediate times, you can see that he ended up integrated with the lead group sometime after his [short-short-medium], and their (correct) [short-medium-short], so a few people probably got a bit of a surprise just then. And in the end, he put a minute or two on the rest for the win. I'll bet it would have been more than that if he'd done the correct course. And it probably would have been quite unjust to have DQed him, whatever the actual rules are. There are lots of other anomalous splits in those results. Best, Peter |
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Scott wrote:
"On many other cases there have been verbal warnings given to people who ...repeatedly skated from one classic track to another." I assume this is with tracks more-or-less right beside each other, so it would just be one skate push out of the track, then another one on the other leg into the other track. How is the rule against doing this 'too often' phrased? Must be quite a bit of judgement involved. I've often wondered about this while racing, and also whether the advantage was more the slight speed boost, or more the temporary muscle relief. Best, Peter |
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I also wonder, because they sure switch lanes a lot in the Swedish
Vasaloppet. Perhaps there is some poling involved too, which leads to the warning. We had a DQ at a Yosemite race about 10 years ago against someone who was marathon skating the downhill and flats, one ski in and one out of the tracks. Gene "Peter H." wrote: Scott wrote: "On many other cases there have been verbal warnings given to people who ...repeatedly skated from one classic track to another." I assume this is with tracks more-or-less right beside each other, so it would just be one skate push out of the track, then another one on the other leg into the other track. How is the rule against doing this 'too often' phrased? Must be quite a bit of judgement involved. I've often wondered about this while racing, and also whether the advantage was more the slight speed boost, or more the temporary muscle relief. Best, Peter |
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