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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
All right, the subject says it all, mostly. I am a big guy 6'3" and 220
lbs. I have classic skis and have enjoyed them for two seasons. This year I would like to give skating a shot. I've been searching around for a decent pair of used skis, but am having a hard time finding ones long enough for me. So, I figured I'd post here and see if anyone may know of someone looking to unload some rock skis or may have a used pair laying around. I am planning on buying boots, bindings and poles, so just the skis are cool. I am located in the Minneapolis area. Thanks for any leads, people! |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
I would look for ***stiff***, not long, skis. Entry level skis tend to
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
If you find used skis, you'll want someone along who can check out
whether they fit you and your needs in terms of flex, ski characteristics and wear. Skinnyski.com classifieds are good and take a look at the sales stock at the several shops in your area. The second level skates run at about half the price of top racing skis and are a good choice for starting out. Something like Fischer SCS, Atomic RS 9 or 10, Maddshus, Rossignol and Salomon. Look at Gear West, which has a site and lots of overstock from previous years, and also I hear that Joe's often has sales. Not to knock the others. Pick boots for fit, then choose bindings to match. The other reply is correct. You'll want the longer skate in any brand, about 192-195cm, but it's the weight to camber relationship that is most important for starts. Good luck. wrote: All right, the subject says it all, mostly. I am a big guy 6'3" and 220 lbs. I have classic skis and have enjoyed them for two seasons. This year I would like to give skating a shot. I've been searching around for a decent pair of used skis, but am having a hard time finding ones long enough for me. So, I figured I'd post here and see if anyone may know of someone looking to unload some rock skis or may have a used pair laying around. I am planning on buying boots, bindings and poles, so just the skis are cool. I am located in the Minneapolis area. Thanks for any leads, people! |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
Hey, just wanted to say thanks for the advice. Please post more if you have it, but this is a great start. |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
[pre breakfast rant]
I must say I'd also wish longer skate skis existed. Why would length have to top off at the ideal for a featherweight skier? Shorter is slower, or better : weight/length is indicative of gliding resistance. Otherwise skis would be like big foots. It's like bikes, up to 6'4" you can fit an XL comfortably, and most brands offer one. If you're taller, get the XL anyway, it's the perfect size for you (not). Huge difference between the bike and ski industry : bike industry does accept orders for bikes that fit, custom made or even series production. If you're 6'9", there's a few really good bikes out there for you, though a bit more expensive than the average racer boy ones. Rule of proportions are valid in every sport I've gotten to know, I'd be baffled if for skis it turned out 194cm really IS the longest preferable length for skaters 1m85 and up, of any weight. Ski manufacturers are too chicken to even have one of them step forward and make a single proper one-size-fit-all Clydesdale ski. Totally cowardous, and even unsmart from a sales perspective. So many brands so easily available world-wide, a single Clyde ski would sell in rally decent numbers. Any sports market with grown men need a plus size. Without it, Clydes are at a mechanical disadvantage, even if they have the same power to weight, and power to frontal surface ratios are world cup winners. In cycling there is room for super-tall track racers, the world hour record holder would not be able to get really properly fitting skis if he'd decide to cross-train. Does track favor tall riders? No, speeds are high so being tall is bad. Yet with custom and even stock bikes that actually fit, athletes can develop themselves and compete on a fair and level playfield. I'll abuse this space to again state I am surprised that in a world-wide business, not a single supplier exist for made-to-fit ski's. It's a profession that should exist. As non-skier, I can totally imagine how it would be. There's even custom tire makers in the bike business, producing tubulars only used by a fraction of the sport anymore, and despite very good stock offerings at lower cost readily available in shops. Let's all (or at least all Clydes) hope that folks like Zack Caldwell in a brave moment decide to start making their own skis, and eventually offering them to customers. Lenght and flex to preferene, as well as side cut. I refuse to believe it's rocket science. Half a dozen excellent brands manage to pump out dozens of different length and flex skis, and develop new models every year. If I had some cash, I'd start making skis myself, hire someone who knows how to and offer skis that truly fit, and open up new opportunities. Without the customer builders innovating cycling, large companies would have much less reason to improve their product, and just reduce costs where they can. Think the ski business is self-motivating enough, do skis improve enough? Do they get faster every year? With bikes, significant improvements in weight and stiffness are reached on an almost yearly basis. No 100kg skier is going to accomplish anything in top level racing, because skis don't exist for him. Racing is close, not to the disadvantage of the strong, but for those with slow skis. Please educate me and tell me wrong, because I really do want to believe I do not have a disadvantage coming into this sport being really tall and potentially heavy once race-fit. "Best" I can find : a 194cm skate ski, also used by much shorter and lighter racers. [/pre breakfast rant] schreef in bericht oups.com... Hey, just wanted to say thanks for the advice. Please post more if you have it, but this is a great start. |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
I did not read the whole thing.
Regarding "skis made to fit" vs "bikes made to fit". I doubt is one can make a ski with a predictable stiffness distribution. Instead, they pick skis with the right properties (interesitng, it's like selection in evolution). In contrast, bikes are made from tubes of defined length. If the bike if the right size, it will fit. A ski is a more complex beast. |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
Jan Gerrit Klok wrote: No 100kg skier is going to accomplish anything in top level racing, because skis don't exist for him. Racing is close, not to the disadvantage of the strong, but for those with slow skis. Please educate me and tell me wrong, because I really do want to believe I do not have a disadvantage coming into this sport being really tall and potentially heavy once race-fit. "Best" I can find : a 194cm skate ski, also used by much shorter and lighter http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/tor...Iversen/604794 Trond Iversen is 6'4", 90kg. And he's a badass, if you ask me. There are larger classic skiers from earlier times, but since skating is where your interest is, and modern equipment is what you have to choose from, I chose Trond as an example of a large guy who does well. He is "only" 90kg, but I suspect that were he a hobby skier who spent as much time on Usenet as we do, he might well be 100kg. In other words, most of us who are 100kg, could be 90kg if we had to be. Your size is not an issue Jan! So, are you coming to Norway anytime soon? ;-) Joseph |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:21:52 +0100, "Jan Gerrit Klok"
wrote: I must say I'd also wish longer skate skis existed. Why would length have to top off at the ideal for a featherweight skier? Shorter is slower, or better Rule of proportions are valid in every sport I've gotten to know, Well, where I ski a lot they don't have specially wide trails for the tall guys.... More generally, could you try actually skiing on skis before speculating on this sort of thing. It's just a suggestion. -- JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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Looking for cheap entry-level skate skis 205cm+
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote: On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 08:21:52 +0100, "Jan Gerrit Klok" wrote: I must say I'd also wish longer skate skis existed. Why would length have to top off at the ideal for a featherweight skier? Shorter is slower, or better Rule of proportions are valid in every sport I've gotten to know, Well, where I ski a lot they don't have specially wide trails for the tall guys.... Even if they did, it wouldn't matter. Even with a long inseam, my stride on a most extreme steep hill is probably only 1 foot wider, if that, than an average height person. Probably the limiting factor for really tall folks is available boots, more than too short skis. More generally, could you try actually skiing on skis before speculating on this sort of thing. It's just a suggestion. Somebody ****ed in JT's Wheeties! Probably one of those crazies over on r.b.t! ;-) But Jan he's right, these things are interesting to think about and ponder, but once you are out on a trail, it doesn't really matter. So many other factors have so much greater a bearing on what happens that it isn't worth worrying about. Joseph |
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