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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote in message . ..
And the effect of reduced participation caused by the perception that an activity is extremely dangerous or (in extreme cases) laws requiring helmets? Do you really think that there is a significant group of people who would participate but who would be scared off by a (greater) perception of (greater) risk if everyone were to use a helmet (by law or social pressure if the helmet-refuseniks were ostracized)? Or, for that matter, a group of people who are participating but who would rather quite than wear a helmet? OK, I can think of some worried mothers who wouldnīt allow their children to go anywhere near such a sport, but apart from that, I donīt think that a perception of *a certain degree of danger* would be in any way negative for participation. On the contrary perhaps. And as for the "fashion conscious" groups, they are already involved in other (not undangerous) sports and hardly contemplating joining our crowd:-) BTW the issue you raised was discussed before the rather amusing bicyle helmet law passed in the Parliament he if a large group of people (for whom their everyday, non- sporting cycling constitutes an important factor in their health) left their bicycles at home (rather than wore a helmet), would the net effect on national health (and health care budget) be negative? Since the law as a "compromise", we donīt really know what wouldīve happened, but, FWIW, there has been no drop in bicycling hours, but a slight decrease of head injuries in bicycle accidents. Anders (who thinks heīs doing his bit to make it a century) |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote:
And the effect of reduced participation caused by the perception that an activity is extremely dangerous or (in extreme cases) laws requiring helmets? Ok Jay, one more post. Let's say that statistics collected from a large group shows that: A B C D (A has more accidents involving head injury than B, which has more accidents than C, etc.) In addition, let's suppose that people argue that helmets should be worn while doing A & C, and that you're an idiot if you don't wear your helmet. For example, say A is motorcycling, C is rollerskiing, and D is taking a bath by the elderly. There are some interesting points here, and usually this ends up in an all out war on groups like rec.bicycle.racing. Anyway: -If people think you should wear a helmet while doing C, should you also wear a helmet while doing B? Simple logic says yes, but if B is driving while talking on a cell phone, then virtually every driver (except a few on race tracks) doesn't do that. I think this is wear JFT's "perception" of danger keeps coming up. Am I going to wear a helmet in the bathtub if I'm over 70 years old. I doubt it. -If you live in Mitchell, SD (home of the corn palace) and have been riding motorcycle for 25 years without an accident, you may figure that the statistics cited for motorcycles doesn't really apply to you. I.e. the perception of risk is low and the decision to go without a helmet has some justification. Now if you head off the that urban sprawl Rapid City, yeah certainly, put on the helmet. Jay (91 posts) Wenner |
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Post 92 ... clip and paste of some statistics. Dunno what year. - John Wilke
http://www.caregiver.org/caregiver/j...e.jsp?nodeid=4 Magnitude About two million head injuries of all types (including skull and facial fractures) occur each year in the U. S. (175 to 200 per 100,000 population).1 Over 1.5 million Americans suffer nonfatal traumatic brain injuries each year which do not require hospitalization. About the same number are reported to sustain a brain injury resulting in a loss of consciousness but not severe enough to result in long-term institutionalization (an annual rate of 618 per 100,000 person-years).1, 2 Another 300,000 individuals suffer brain injuries severe enough to require hospitalization, with 99,000 resulting in a lasting disability. A total of 56,000 people die each year as a result of trau-matic brain injury.1 Traumatic brain injuries account for an estimated 34% of all injury deaths in the United States.3 An estimated 62.3 per 100,000 adults age 15 and over are living in the community with enduring functional impairments due to TBI (excludes most survivors of mild TBI).4 Who Is Injured? TBI affects males at twice the rate of females. Higher mortality rates among males indicate that males are more likely than females to suffer severe injuries.1 Individuals age 15 to 24 have the highest risk of TBI. The risk also increases after age 60.1 Research suggests that residents in rural areas have higher age-adjusted rates of both fatal traumatic brain injuries and those requiring hospitalization (an average of 97.8 per 100,000 for urban residents and 172.1 per 100,000 for rural residents).5 Causes of TBI Motor vehicle accidents account for an estimated 28% of traumatic brain injuries; sports/physical activity account for 20%; assaults are responsible for 9%; 43% are due to "other" reasons. However, when considering those brain injuries severe enough to require hospitalization, virtually half (49%) are caused by motor vehicle accidents.2 Alcohol was involved in 41% of all fatal crashes and 7% of all crashes in 1996. More than 321,000 persons were injured in accidents where alcohol was presentâan average of one person injured every 2 minutes.28 While brain injuries due to car accidents have declined an impressive 25% between 1984 to 1992, brain injuries resulting from firearms have risen 13% during the same period.6 About 5% to 10% of skiing accidents result in head injuries.29 Cost of Care The direct and indirect costs of traumatic brain injury in the U. S. have been estimated to be $48.3 billion annually. Survivor costs account for $31.7 billion and fatal brain injuries cost another $16.6 billion (1991 dollars).7 The lifetime costs for one person surviving a severe TBI can reach $4 million.27 An estimate of medical and non-medical (e.g., home modifications, vocational rehabilitation, health insurance) per TBI survivor averages $151,587.7 Average costs rise dramatically for those individuals who undergo rehabilitation. In one study, after a 4-year follow-up, average costs for medical and long-term care services averaged $196,460 for survivors receiving rehabilitation services compared to $17,893 for those receiving no rehabilitation.8 Acute rehabilitation costs for survivors of a severe TBI have been shown to average $110,891 per person, or about $1,000 per day. The average length of stay for these severely injured persons in acute rehab is about 55 days.9 Medical costs are the highest for those who do not surviveâ(an average of $454,717 per brain injury fatality).7 One study showed that supported employment for helping TBI survivors return to work costs an average of $10,198 for the first year of service.10 Effects of Traumatic Brain Injury Although the largest group of TBI survivors are young adults in their prime working years, many survivors, particularly those with a severe TBI, do not return to work. Estimates vary widely, ranging from a low of 12.5% to as high as 80% who do not return to work. The ability to return to work is highly correlated to the post-acute functional limitations of the survivor.12, 13 In a national survey in Canada, 66% of TBI survivors living in the community reported an ongoing need for assistance with some activities of daily living,75% were not working, and 90% reported limitations or dissatisfaction with social integration.11 Most injuries are mild. The ratio of mild to moderate to severe brain injuries is 8:1:1.1 Survivors of a severe brain injury are likely to experience prolonged anxiety and depression, and are at a high risk for loss of friendships and social support.14 Approximately 20% of survivors of severe TBI remain unresponsive for at least one month.15 The majority of individuals who survive a period of coma eventually regain consciousness. Data from the Traumatic Coma Data Bank indicate that of 650 patients who experienced a vegetative state after a brain injury, only 14% were released from the hospital in a coma. And of those, about half had regained consciousness after one year's time.16 Researchers have found that persons who suffer a severe TBI continue to make gradual improvements in functioning for at least 10 years post-injury.17 Prevention Motorcycle helmets provide protection for motorcycle drivers for all types and locations of head injuries, and, contrary to a popular misconception, are not associated with increased neck injuries.21 Studies indicate that the risk of brain injury in hospitalized motorcyclists is nearly twice that for unhelmeted motorcyclists and that unhelmeted drivers had acute care costs three times ($30,365) that of helmeted drivers 22, 23 In California, the first year's implementation of the 1992 helmet law resulted in a 37.5% decrease in statewide motorcycle crash fatalities over the previous year; those likely to sustain TBI-related impairments decreased 34%. California has demonstrated a more than 99% compliance rate in helmet use. This suggests that, with adequate enforcement, unrestricted helmet laws can achieve nearly 100% compliance.24, 25, 26 As many as 74% to 85% of bicycle-related head injuries could be prevented if bike riders were to wear protective helmets. An average of 140,000 head injuries per year are attributed to children and adolescents in bicycle accidents.18, 19 Air bags have been associated with a substantial reduction of fatalities in motor vehicle accidents involving adults (a 14% decrease in fatality for front passengers wearing seat belts and a 23% decrease for those not wearing seat belts). However, children younger than 10 (seated in the front seat) had a 34% increased risk of dying in frontal crashes in cars equipped with dual airbags.20 |
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One more post. This may be old news to some, but as far as I am concerned,
it is the first time I hear about it: SENATE BILL NO. 327 "An Act relating to pedestrians using rollerblades, roller skates, and similar devices." BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF ALASKA: Section 1. AS 28.05.011(a) is amended by adding a new paragraph to read: (9) regulations allowing pedestrians using wheeled adjuncts, such as rollerblades, roller skates, and ROLLERSKIS, to use roadways and vehicular ways or areas available for use by bicycles; these regulations must include requirements that these pedestrians obey traffic laws, limit activity to daylight hours, wear an appropriate helmet and bright clothing, proceed in single file except when passing, complete all passing maneuvers expeditiously, not use any electronic devices that can inhibit hearing, and stay to the far right and restrict movements when being passed by a motor vehicle. In the past, you could get ticketed for rollerskiing in Alaska. Good news is you can now legally do it. Bad news is you will get ticketed for all kind of other reasons, many of them newly created. You must: obey all traffic laws (stopsigns, etc.), skate back home before dark, not use mp3-CD players, stay to the far right were all the road debris accumulate, wear bright clothing (!) and a HELMET. As far as I know, a helmet is not required by law for cycling in Alaska ( http://www.statehighwaysafety.org/ht...lmet_laws.html ). Why then is it required for roller skiing? JMC (I do wear a helmet. This is my choice, you have the right to think differently) |
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JMC wrote:
One more post. This may be old news to some, but as far as I am concerned, it is the first time I hear about it: SENATE BILL NO. 327 "An Act relating to pedestrians using rollerblades, roller skates, and similar devices." BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF ALASKA: Section 1. AS 28.05.011(a) is amended by adding a new paragraph to read: (9) regulations allowing pedestrians using wheeled adjuncts, such as rollerblades, roller skates, and ROLLERSKIS, to use roadways and vehicular ways or areas available for use by bicycles; these regulations must include requirements that these pedestrians obey traffic laws, limit activity to daylight hours, wear an appropriate helmet and bright clothing, proceed in single file except when passing, complete all passing maneuvers expeditiously, not use any electronic devices that can inhibit hearing, and stay to the far right and restrict movements when being passed by a motor vehicle. In the past, you could get ticketed for rollerskiing in Alaska. Good news is you can now legally do it. Bad news is you will get ticketed for all kind of other reasons, many of them newly created. What you list is the bill as originally introduced and passed in the Senate. The House amended it because with all the conditions the Troopers would find a reason to ticket if they wanted to, such as clothing not bright enough. Here is the copy of the bill as signed into law by the governor: Enrolled SB 327 Relating to pedestrians using rollerblades, roller skates, and roller skis. Section 1. AS 28.05.011 is amended by adding a new subsection to read: (c) The department shall, unless prohibited by an ordinance of a governmental subdivision of the state, allow pedestrians to use wheeled adjuncts, such as rollerblades, roller skates, and roller skis, on roadways and vehicular ways in addition to areas available for use by bicycles. So essentially it says anywhere bicycles are allowed, rollerskis etc are also allowed. Carol |
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Thanks for the clarification! If they make it legal to rollerski on roads,
great! If they remove all the other restrictions, clauses, etc, it's even better! JMC "Carol Haas" wrote in message ... What you list is the bill as originally introduced and passed in the Senate. The House amended it because with all the conditions the Troopers would find a reason to ticket if they wanted to, such as clothing not bright enough. (c) The department shall, unless prohibited by an ordinance of a governmental subdivision of the state, allow pedestrians to use wheeled adjuncts, such as rollerblades, roller skates, and roller skis, on roadways and vehicular ways in addition to areas available for use by bicycles. So essentially it says anywhere bicycles are allowed, rollerskis etc are also allowed. Carol |
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John Forrest Tomlinson wrote in message . ..
Do you really think that there is a significant group of people who would participate but who would be scared off by a (greater) perception of (greater) risk if everyone were to use a helmet (by law or social pressure if the helmet-refuseniks were ostracized)? Yes. Children, with their parents being the ones who keep them rom doing it. Well, in this country mothers first make sure that the helmet is well-strapped and then they let their children out to ride their bicycles - and in Sweden mothers didnīt suddenly lock away the toboggans when it became highly advisable (and in daycare obligatory) to wear a helmet in the hill. The perception doesnīt have to be of great or increased risk - it can be that of better safety! OK, I can think of some worried mothers who wouldnīt allow their children to go anywhere near such a sport, This is a problem for the future. Somehow I cannot see these mothers constituting a significant group, and Iīm inclined to think that the children of these mothers would not have a future in any sport where falls are to be expected. Ridership has usually gone down where helmet laws have been passed. IIRC bicycle helmet laws have been passed only in one state in Australia and one province in Canada (Finland doesnīt count for the reason mentioned.) Itīs true that ridership went down in both, but - if only to point out the argument - there hasnīt been any study to show a) that ridership didnīt go down elsewhere, too, or b) that ridership didnīt go down for other, unrelated reasons. Besides, it can be questioned whether this is really a law of nature, so to speak, or whether a well- (or better-) planned public campaign could change public attitude and behaviour. (Please note that Iīm not an advocate of helmet laws - or of calling helmetless riders/skaters/skiers idiots.) Anders |
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On 31 Aug 2004 01:07:57 -0700, (Anders Lustig)
wrote: IIRC bicycle helmet laws have been passed only in one state in Australia and one province in Canada (Finland doesnīt count for the reason mentioned.) At least one more place -- Rockland county near me. I think there are mandatory helmet laws in other smaller, political jurisdictions that. And there are certainly such rules in some parks and other places that are relatively safe to ride bikes anyway. Besides, it can be questioned whether this is really a law of nature, so to speak, or whether a well- (or better-) planned public campaign could change public attitude and behaviour. Ahhh, but if we are going to talk about public education, why not try to actually make using roads safer for bikes through better education of car drivers too, or better road design for cyclists. In my country there is little attempt to do that. The idea of helmet laws (and the big push for helmets in general) is that it's bacically understandable that cyclists will get hit by cars because they are using their toys on roads that belong to cars, and if they get hit and hurt it is fundamentally their own fault for doing. So they should protect themselves while they are on the car's roads. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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Anders Lustig wrote:
John Forrest Tomlinson wrote in message . .. Ridership has usually gone down where helmet laws have been passed. IIRC bicycle helmet laws have been passed only in one state in Australia and one province in Canada (Finland doesnīt count for the reason mentioned.) In Sweden starting from 2005 it is mandatory for youngsters up to 15years of age to use helmet on bikes, don't know if it also mean that they also have a helmet on when doing inlines, etc. Janne G |
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