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warm gloves: opinions on Swany sx-15 x-over glove?
Well, finally got out to A-Basin for our first ski trip of the year. Got
there well before the lifts started, had a nice breakfast burrito with hot cocoa and a banana (yes, all in the same meal), and made our way to the lift, which was just starting. Anyway. A-Basin was its usual not-terribly-sunny self, and the ends of my fingers were painfully cold. But it really wasn't *that* cold ... probably right around freezing. Okay, maybe a bit colder. I was wearing the Kombi lobster claws I got several years ago. They have two "fingers" and a thumb, with a five-fingered liner that goes inside. My hands always get really wet in them, I guess because my hands are clammy. My dream is to one day go skiing without painfully cold fingers. I strongly flirted with the idea of mittens, but I am really nervous about not having at least some finger dexterity. I went to a local shop today and ended up with the Swany gloves mentioned in the subject. The outer layer is almost all leather of varying types, and they have the gauntlet-style wrist protection that I like (pull it over the jacket sleeve and cinch it down). There's also a pouch that can be used to hold a hand-warmer. I've never used those, so I don't know if this is important to me. Anyway, the salesguy made several claims that I'd like to have confirmed/denied/discussed: 1) He claimed that leather gloves are warmer than other materials due to being less porous than fabrics, which are woven. 2) He claimed that, from year to year, either Marmot or Swany will have the warmest glove on the market. 3) He claimed that, in extremely high-quality handwear, a mitten won't be any warmer than a glove (this is the one I really wonder about) 4) He claimed that this particular glove had been tested and found to be the warmest (objectively, via temperature) of all the gloves tested 5) He claimed that the fleece liner will wick away my sweat and keep my hands from being wet. 6) He said that his gf, who also has poor circulation and constant hands of ice, wears these and is happy with them. (I'm not asking you guys to confirm this, but do you think this is a) true or b) a tactic to get me to buy a rather pricey pair of gloves?) Finally, I'm wondering if buying gloves is the answer at all, or if I need to keep my body warmer somehow so that it doesn't say "sayonara!" to my extremities. Thing is, if I dress any warmer than I do, I'll be sweating when I ski or am standing in line, and even with wicking fabrics throughout, that causes enough wetness to make me cold again. Especially as sports bras don't do a great job of wicking, anyway. -- monique |
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Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
Finally, I'm wondering if buying gloves is the answer at all, or if I need to keep my body warmer somehow so that it doesn't say "sayonara!" to my extremities. Thing is, if I dress any warmer than I do, I'll be sweating when I ski or am standing in line, and even with wicking fabrics throughout, that causes enough wetness to make me cold again. Especially as sports bras don't do a great job of wicking, anyway. Because they're cotton. Don't wear a sports bra for skiing, for heaven's sake, it's not like you're jogging. Do both your hands and feet get cold easily? Have they ever turned whitish in conditions that are really too warm for frostbite? -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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On 2004-12-07, Mary Malmros penned:
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Finally, I'm wondering if buying gloves is the answer at all, or if I need to keep my body warmer somehow so that it doesn't say "sayonara!" to my extremities. Thing is, if I dress any warmer than I do, I'll be sweating when I ski or am standing in line, and even with wicking fabrics throughout, that causes enough wetness to make me cold again. Especially as sports bras don't do a great job of wicking, anyway. Because they're cotton. Don't wear a sports bra for skiing, for heaven's sake, it's not like you're jogging. Do both your hands and feet get cold easily? Have they ever turned whitish in conditions that are really too warm for frostbite? Um, my sports bras aren't cotton. They're a synth material, although the label's been washed too many times to read clearly. Seriously, what would you recommend wearing to keep your boobs from flying all over the place in painful ways while skiing? I can't imagine landing the tiniest jump without some decent support. My hands and feet do get cold easily. I don't believe they've ever turned white. In fact, according to my husband, they don't *feel* abnormally cold to him. Still, they cause me pain, enough so that I have to make hot cocoa stops when I'd rather be skiing. Any ideas? -- monique |
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On 2004-12-07, AstroPax penned:
On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:22:41 -0600, "Monique Y. Mudama" wrote: Um, my sports bras aren't cotton. They're a synth material, although the label's been washed too many times to read clearly. Just out of curiosity, theoretically, if you could actually read those un-readable and faded labels, what would the size be? What, this isn't off-topic? =P If I could read the labels, I'm sure they'd be whatever size best fits my body. -- monique |
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"Monique Y. Mudama" wrote:
On 2004-12-07, Mary Malmros penned: Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Finally, I'm wondering if buying gloves is the answer at all, or if I need to keep my body warmer somehow so that it doesn't say "sayonara!" to my extremities. Thing is, if I dress any warmer than I do, I'll be sweating when I ski or am standing in line, and even with wicking fabrics throughout, that causes enough wetness to make me cold again. Especially as sports bras don't do a great job of wicking, anyway. Because they're cotton. Don't wear a sports bra for skiing, for heaven's sake, it's not like you're jogging. Do both your hands and feet get cold easily? Have they ever turned whitish in conditions that are really too warm for frostbite? Um, my sports bras aren't cotton. They're a synth material, although the label's been washed too many times to read clearly. Seriously, what would you recommend wearing to keep your boobs from flying all over the place in painful ways while skiing? I can't imagine landing the tiniest jump without some decent support. Duct tape? I was once told by models that they used masking tape to hang their boobs from their shoulders when appropriate, but that was before duct tape was discovered. Worse than skiing is riding on the back of a GoldWing with bad shocks. At one point I was holding my boobs in my hands to keep them from bouncing around painfully. The next day I bought a sports bra. My hands and feet do get cold easily. I don't believe they've ever turned white. That's good. When I was smoking my index fingers would shrivel and turn white and numb for perhaps half an hour if I touched something cold, but not since I stopped. In fact, according to my husband, they don't *feel* abnormally cold to him. Still, they cause me pain, enough so that I have to make hot cocoa stops when I'd rather be skiing. Any ideas? Yeah. You're doomed. My 88-YO MIL has been cold all her life (she is comfy, however, in Palm Springs at noon in the middle of summer), even when she was young, before the heart trouble kicked in. None of her stable of doctors has an explanation -- not the neurologist or the vein man or the cardiologists or the orthopedist or the GP or... What about heated boots and/or polypropylene glove/sock liners? -- Cheers, Bev ================================================== ================== "We thought of one of those discount store caskets, but, frankly, we were worried about the quality." -- mortuary commercial |
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Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
On 2004-12-07, Mary Malmros penned: Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Finally, I'm wondering if buying gloves is the answer at all, or if I need to keep my body warmer somehow so that it doesn't say "sayonara!" to my extremities. Thing is, if I dress any warmer than I do, I'll be sweating when I ski or am standing in line, and even with wicking fabrics throughout, that causes enough wetness to make me cold again. Especially as sports bras don't do a great job of wicking, anyway. Because they're cotton. Don't wear a sports bra for skiing, for heaven's sake, it's not like you're jogging. Do both your hands and feet get cold easily? Have they ever turned whitish in conditions that are really too warm for frostbite? Um, my sports bras aren't cotton. They're a synth material, although the label's been washed too many times to read clearly. Seriously, what would you recommend wearing to keep your boobs from flying all over the place in painful ways while skiing? I can't imagine landing the tiniest jump without some decent support. Something decently constructed out of synth materials with NO cotton. That should be sufficient. The problem is that almost all sports bras are made with cotton, but there's one or two in the Title 9 catalog that aren't. My hands and feet do get cold easily. I don't believe they've ever turned white. In fact, according to my husband, they don't *feel* abnormally cold to him. Still, they cause me pain, enough so that I have to make hot cocoa stops when I'd rather be skiing. Any ideas? That's the kind of problem that I take to my Chinese herbalist friend, who's usually got something that helps. I actually have an herbal formula that he gave me to improve circulation, because my hands and feet tend to get cold too (although not so much while skiing, more when I'm not moving). These are the kind of health issues that a conventional Western physician doesn't typically want to tackle, so if it is something you want to resolve, a Chinese herbalist might not be a bad way to go. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
Well, finally got out to A-Basin for our first ski trip of the year. Got there well before the lifts started, had a nice breakfast burrito with hot cocoa and a banana (yes, all in the same meal), and made our way to the lift, which was just starting. Anyway. A-Basin was its usual not-terribly-sunny self, and the ends of my fingers were painfully cold. But it really wasn't *that* cold ... probably right around freezing. Okay, maybe a bit colder. I was wearing the Kombi lobster claws I got several years ago. They have two "fingers" and a thumb, with a five-fingered liner that goes inside. My hands always get really wet in them, I guess because my hands are clammy. My dream is to one day go skiing without painfully cold fingers. I strongly flirted with the idea of mittens, but I am really nervous about not having at least some finger dexterity. I went to a local shop today and ended up with the Swany gloves mentioned in the subject. The outer layer is almost all leather of varying types, and they have the gauntlet-style wrist protection that I like (pull it over the jacket sleeve and cinch it down). There's also a pouch that can be used to hold a hand-warmer. I've never used those, so I don't know if this is important to me. Anyway, the salesguy made several claims that I'd like to have confirmed/denied/discussed: This is pretty much all my opinion: 1) He claimed that leather gloves are warmer than other materials due to being less porous than fabrics, which are woven. That would just stop more water getting into the glove, surely. I'd have thought Goretex or similar would be better as they aren't porous at all. 2) He claimed that, from year to year, either Marmot or Swany will have the warmest glove on the market. Not sure. I'd have to take his word for it. 3) He claimed that, in extremely high-quality handwear, a mitten won't be any warmer than a glove (this is the one I really wonder about) I can't see how that'd be true. In a mitten, your fingers are together so they warm each other up. In a glove they're seperate so they only have the insulation from the glove to keep them warm. 4) He claimed that this particular glove had been tested and found to be the warmest (objectively, via temperature) of all the gloves tested Hmm. I'd want to know how they'd been tested. 5) He claimed that the fleece liner will wick away my sweat and keep my hands from being wet. Probably true as long as the sweat can get out through the outer layer. 6) He said that his gf, who also has poor circulation and constant hands of ice, wears these and is happy with them. (I'm not asking you guys to confirm this, but do you think this is a) true or b) a tactic to get me to buy a rather pricey pair of gloves?) You'd have to make your own decision on that. Finally, I'm wondering if buying gloves is the answer at all, or if I need to keep my body warmer somehow so that it doesn't say "sayonara!" to my extremities. Thing is, if I dress any warmer than I do, I'll be sweating when I ski or am standing in line, and even with wicking fabrics throughout, that causes enough wetness to make me cold again. Especially as sports bras don't do a great job of wicking, anyway. One tactic a ski instrcutor told me about ages ago is to spin your arms around like a windmill if your fingers get cold, it forces the blood to them and warms them up. If your body is warm but your fingers are cold this works really well. Suprisingly well in fact - about 15 seconds is all it takes for my fingers to warm up. You can do the same with your toes by swinging your legs (obviously not like a windmill unless you're very flexible!) -- "Fighting terrorists with a military invasion is like trying to kill a bee by shooting its beehive with a shotgun." - Anonymous, USENET http://www.ollieclark.com/acronyms.html |
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Mary Malmros wrote:
Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Finally, I'm wondering if buying gloves is the answer at all, or if I need to keep my body warmer somehow so that it doesn't say "sayonara!" to my extremities. Thing is, if I dress any warmer than I do, I'll be sweating when I ski or am standing in line, and even with wicking fabrics throughout, that causes enough wetness to make me cold again. Especially as sports bras don't do a great job of wicking, anyway. Because they're cotton. Don't wear a sports bra for skiing, for heaven's sake, it's not like you're jogging. So what do you suggest? I find sportsbras more comfortable than regular bras while skiing. Unfortunatly (or fortunately?) I can't go without. Do both your hands and feet get cold easily? Have they ever turned whitish in conditions that are really too warm for frostbite? Best gloves I've ever owned. From LL Bean. They're goretex with a separate fleece inner glove. (I bought a lightweight glove liner for when fleece is not needed). Never had cold hands/fingers in them, even in below zero temps, and the goretex keeps the wind out. Before I got these, I always wore mittens because other gloves were not warm enough. I never thought I had a problem with mittens and dexterity. Of course the lock on my old ski tote was designed to be used with mittens - they don't make locks like that anymore. Janet |
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Janet wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote: Monique Y. Mudama wrote: Finally, I'm wondering if buying gloves is the answer at all, or if I need to keep my body warmer somehow so that it doesn't say "sayonara!" to my extremities. Thing is, if I dress any warmer than I do, I'll be sweating when I ski or am standing in line, and even with wicking fabrics throughout, that causes enough wetness to make me cold again. Especially as sports bras don't do a great job of wicking, anyway. Because they're cotton. Don't wear a sports bra for skiing, for heaven's sake, it's not like you're jogging. So what do you suggest? I find sportsbras more comfortable than regular bras while skiing. Unfortunatly (or fortunately?) I can't go without. There are a few non-cotton sports bras out there. Take a look at title9sports.com. They now have a category called "best wicking bras" that are non-cotton. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
On 2004-12-07, AstroPax penned: On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 23:22:41 -0600, "Monique Y. Mudama" wrote: Um, my sports bras aren't cotton. They're a synth material, although the label's been washed too many times to read clearly. Just out of curiosity, theoretically, if you could actually read those un-readable and faded labels, what would the size be? What, this isn't off-topic? =P Falls under the ski-clothing discussion exemption rule... Gotta get all the details so's we can advise the next questionee appropriately... (There's also the orange exemption rule, but you didn't mention color.) I'm with you (well, not in personal equipment, maybe, but) - I'd think skiing at a high level would be tougher on the, uh, tissue than jogging. (I also think I've seen appropriate garments advertised for the purpose of containing excess, uh, motion, in ski catalogs, so synth wicking items are certainly available. I'd advise using them, if any young women wanted to come around and discuss intimate garments with me - all in the interests of promoting skiing. Really. I suppose you have considered the possibility that un-readable and faded labels may indicate reduced wicking qualities and it might be time to purchase a new uh, garment? My good ol' Wallace Beery Patagonia expedition top fails the wicking test completely these day, due to excess wear and some tear - had to finally replace it a couple of years ago; I'm still heart-broken. |
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