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Politics on the newsgroup: do African Americans really earn morethan Swedes?
I don't want a flame war either but I was surprised by the claim that the
average African American earns more than the average Swede. I looked up figures from the World Bank for 2003. The income per person USA: 37,610, Norway 43,350, Sweden 28,840, I couldn't find an overall income figure for African Americans but did find a list of per capita income of African Americans per city across the USA in only two cities (Scotsdale AZ and Fremont CA) did the per capita income figure excede the Swedish figure. The figure in most cities was much lower in Minneapolis for example $12,274. Of course this doesn't take into account the slide in the dollar versus the euro or the comparative costs of healht care. Very probably, it is easier to establish social welfare democracies in small ethnically homogenous countries like Norway and Sweden than in larger more diverse ones like the USA. Very likely, such homogeneity, when threatened provides fertile soil for racism but I know which model I prefer. Some old figures: 1989 Sweden richest 20% owns 37.8% of national wealth ; poorest 8.1% USA richest 20% owns 44.6% poorest 20% 4.6% Andy bolger |
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Nice troll.
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Nice troll.
There's a Scandinavian-related joke out there ... left as an exercise. Lew Lasher Cambridge, Massachusetts and Stowe, Vermont |
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Andrew Bolger wrote: I don't want a flame war either but I was surprised by the claim that the average African American earns more than the average Swede. I looked up figures from the World Bank for 2003. The income per person USA: 37,610, Norway 43,350, Sweden 28,840, You have to read more carefully. I didn't mention income per person, I mentioned standard of living. Standard of living invloves many different factors. An economist could help us out here. Very probably, it is easier to establish social welfare democracies in small ethnically homogenous countries like Norway and Sweden than in larger more diverse ones like the USA. Very likely, such homogeneity, when threatened provides fertile soil for racism but I know which model I prefer. Some old figures: 1989 Sweden richest 20% owns 37.8% of national wealth ; poorest 8.1% USA richest 20% owns 44.6% poorest 20% 4.6% Andy bolger Once again, we're not talking income or capital (wealth). We're talking standard of living. Jay Tegeder Once again, not starting any flame or border wars. Don't kill the messenger... |
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This is very subjective. One of the factors involved in standard of
living would be cost of fossil fuels such as gasoline. While many Americans complain about high gasoline costs, we pay a lot less than they do in Europe. Higher fuel costs cut into a persons standard of living. Food is another example. Food is cheap and plentiful in the U S. Food costs are another big factor in standard of living. Consumer goods are also less expensive in the U S. Once again, that affects standard of living. Americans keep more of their income than Europeans. That definitely fits into standard of living. Healthcare, on the other hand, is less expensive in Europe due to nationalized healthcare. Access to that healthcare isn't always as good as it is in the U S though. Drugs are cheaper in Europe too. All of those factors go into standard of living. As the population ages, both Europe and the U S will have a tough time paying for social security and pensions etc. However, population trends favor the U S where the birthrate is higher. I believe Italy actually has negative population growth. Unemployment is also a factor in standard of living. France and Germany for example are around 10% unemployment. The U S is hovering around 5%. One thing that cuts into the U S standard of living is our payments to the U N. If I'm not mistaken, the U S, besides hosting the U N in New York, pays 40% of the U N bill. Jay Tegeder Not starting any flame wars, just some stuff to think about. |
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On 2 Jan 2005 15:58:18 -0800, wrote:
This is very subjective. One of the factors involved in standard of living would be cost of fossil fuels such as gasoline. While many Americans complain about high gasoline costs, we pay a lot less than they do in Europe. Higher fuel costs cut into a persons standard of living. Food is another example. Food is cheap and plentiful in the U S. Food costs are another big factor in standard of living. Consumer goods are also less expensive in the U S. Once again, that affects standard of living. Americans keep more of their income than Europeans. That definitely fits into standard of living. Healthcare, on the other hand, is less expensive in Europe due to nationalized healthcare. Access to that healthcare isn't always as good as it is in the U S though. Drugs are cheaper in Europe too. All of those factors go into standard of living. As the population ages, both Europe and the U S will have a tough time paying for social security and pensions etc. However, population trends favor the U S where the birthrate is higher. I believe Italy actually has negative population growth. Unemployment is also a factor in standard of living. France and Germany for example are around 10% unemployment. The U S is hovering around 5%. One thing that cuts into the U S standard of living is our payments to the U N. If I'm not mistaken, the U S, besides hosting the U N in New York, pays 40% of the U N bill. Jay Tegeder Not starting any flame wars, just some stuff to think about. The U.S pays 22% of the U.N.s dues with Japan second at 19%. On amount paid per capita we aren't even in the top ten. http://www.un.org/geninfo/ir/ch5/ch5_txt.htm#q10 g.c. |
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