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Integrated Binding Systems
I'm about to purchase a pair of Fischer AMC 76 Skis for myself and Volkl
Attiva AC2 Skis for my wife. We know these are the right skis because we demoed them. My local ski shop did not have them and the gentleman at the ski shop told me to make sure I get the bindings integrated with the skis. Can someone explain to me what he meant by this? He said some shops try to sell these skis cheaper because they lack the integrated feature. Thanx in advance Alan |
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On Mar 5, 5:28 pm, "Alan Fried" wrote:
I'm about to purchase a pair of Fischer AMC 76 Skis for myself and Volkl Attiva AC2 Skis for my wife. We know these are the right skis because we demoed them. My local ski shop did not have them and the gentleman at the ski shop told me to make sure I get the bindings integrated with the skis. Can someone explain to me what he meant by this? He said some shops try to sell these skis cheaper because they lack the integrated feature. Thanx in advance Alan For the Fischer, the AMC comes with the Railflex system. I think the guy meant that you may find the ski for cheap, but make sure they come with the binding OR make sure you get the correct binding to work with the railflex system: Click on the railflex box (lower left) and look at all pages: http://www.fischer-ski.com/en/techno...d_group=15600# Not sure about the Volkl, but I'm sure it's a similar thing. -- Marty P.S. Check out this place for the AMC skis ($549 with binding - so they say): http://www.ski-depot.com/ |
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Marty wrote:
On Mar 5, 5:28 pm, "Alan Fried" wrote: I'm about to purchase a pair of Fischer AMC 76 Skis for myself and Volkl Attiva AC2 Skis for my wife. We know these are the right skis because we demoed them. My local ski shop did not have them and the gentleman at the ski shop told me to make sure I get the bindings integrated with the skis. Can someone explain to me what he meant by this? He said some shops try to sell these skis cheaper because they lack the integrated feature. For the Fischer, the AMC comes with the Railflex system. I think the guy meant that you may find the ski for cheap, but make sure they come with the binding OR make sure you get the correct binding to work with the railflex system: Until about 5 years ago, skis were "flat" - that is, they were just a ski and you could mount any binding on the ski by drilling holes and inserting screws. Nowadays, most skis come with an integrated binding attachment system that is compatible only with a specific brand of binding. This makes it easier to mount the binding, and there are some engineering advantages to these designs. Anyway, the rub is that you'll need to get Tyrollia bindings for the Fischer and Markers for the Volkl - nothing else will fit. (note: I think Fischer rebrands the Tyrollia bindings so they say Fischer, but they're the same thing) To further complicate matters, some skis are still available in the "flat" version. I think this is what the guy at the ski shop was alluding to - you may come across a flat version of these skis which will be cheaper than a pair with the integrated binding system. Look for "Railflex" and "Motion" as the trademarked names for the integrated binding systems. I actually prefer the flat version to the Motion system, so I sought out a flat version when I bought my Volkl 5 stars. But I think I'm in the minority here. Since you undoubtedly demoed the integrated system, you should buy the package that you demoed: Railflex for the Fischers and Motion for the Volkls. //Walt |
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Walt wrote:
I actually prefer the flat version to the Motion system, so I sought out a flat version when I bought my Volkl 5 stars. But I think I'm in the minority here. Well, there's you, me, and racer dudes, for in racing it actually matters that the binding/ski work solidly together. I think it's another BS gimmick intended to lock people into a manufacturer's product line at the sacrifice of performance. I don't know why, if the European Union sued the **** out of Microsoft for bundling media software into their "OS" locking out competitor media players, that the European Union wouldn't sue the ski companies for similar bundling of bindings; but they haven't. So far. |
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lal_truckee wrote:
Walt wrote: I actually prefer the flat version to the Motion system, so I sought out a flat version when I bought my Volkl 5 stars. But I think I'm in the minority here. Well, there's you, me, and racer dudes, for in racing it actually matters that the binding/ski work solidly together. I think it's another BS gimmick intended to lock people into a manufacturer's product line at the sacrifice of performance. There are two things going on here - 1) ease of mounting, and 2) a technology gimmick. A manufacturer can do 1) by just predrilling the ski - my last Dynastars were that way: an integrated carving plate with holes drilled and tapped to mate with Look bindings, no motion rails or whatever. This makes it substantailly easier for the shop monk^H^H^H^H techs to slap the binding on the ski. The technology gimmick - rails, flexy thingees, etc is an experiment that's still playing out. BTW, the newer Motion system is firmer and less mushy than the early ones. I can't say I notice much of a difference now between a flat mounted binding and one mounted on the Motion rails. I'll leave it up to the jury to determine if this is a negative or a positive comment. I don't know why, if the European Union sued the **** out of Microsoft for bundling media software into their "OS" locking out competitor media players, that the European Union wouldn't sue the ski companies for similar bundling of bindings; but they haven't. So far. M$ has a 90% penetration in the market, so they're subject to monopoly regulation. Until a ski manufacturer captures 90% of the EU market they can basically do what they want without running afoul of anti-competitive regulations. //Walt |
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