Wanna do a 14ner this New Years Eve or Da

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:01:03 -0700, Lukasz Salwinski
wrote:

Gary S. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:56:30 -1000, (Janet) wrote:

Mauna Kea comes pretty close, though, at 13,667 feet.

not to mention, some count from the ocean floor ;o)
lukasz

I'll let you start counting altitude from the ocean floor, if you
start your hike there.

You are right, though, counting from the ocean floor, that is the
biggest mountain on the planet.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
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"Gary S." wrote
I'll let you start counting altitude from the ocean floor, if you
start your hike there.

Being a little inconsistent there aren't you Gary? Where do you start those
Colorado 14ers, Needham?

Tommy T.

Explanations for the uninitiated number 1: some Colorado 14ers have roads
clear to the top and others can be approached by 4 wheel drive or mountain
bike or horse. For purposes of claiming an ascent of a 14er, various
standards have been suggested. One frequently asserted rule is that one
should hike/climb at least 3000 feet to claim a 14er.

Explanations for the uninitiated number 2: Gary S. lives in a town near the
Atlantic Ocean where the lowest parts are barely above mean high tide.

"Gary S." wrote:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:01:03 -0700, Lukasz Salwinski
wrote:

Gary S. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:56:30 -1000, (Janet) wrote:

Mauna Kea comes pretty close, though, at 13,667 feet.

not to mention, some count from the ocean floor ;o)
lukasz

I'll let you start counting altitude from the ocean floor, if you
start your hike there.

I think you just gave somebody (not me!) an idea for his next adventure
stunt.

How far down below the ocean does Mauna Kea start? I believe the Navy
has deep-sea diver suits (really, person-shaped wearable submarines)
that are rated for 2,000 ft or more.

Dave

In article , Idontwantspam@net
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:56:30 -1000, (Janet) wrote:



A 14ner is one of the 14,000 foot peaks in the contiguous United States.
(I believe "contiguous" is part of the definition - usually the Alaskan
and Hawaiian 14,000+ peaks are not included? Correct?)

definitely not Hawaii, we don't have any 14,000 foot peaks that I know of.....

BTW Collyradicans misbelieve that they have cornered the market on
14ners, and so assume when speaking of 14ners - as usual, they are
incorrect.

Mauna Kea comes pretty close, though, at 13,667 feet.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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My reference says..13,796 feet and 32,000 feet from the ocean floor.

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanoes/maunakea/

I've summited it many times.....*G* However not under my own steam. It was
a lot more adventurous before they paved most of the road. Probably be
safer to walk....it's a scary drive down. People here bring home
truckloads of snow to play with. It's always a little strange seeing a
snowman on my neighbor's lawn.

Growing up here I somehow began to relate snow with high altitude and lack
of oxygen. When I finally got to the mainland and experienced winter
weather I remember starting to run around in the snow, stopping, and
reminding myself that I'd get dizzy if I kept it up. It took me a second
to process the fact that I was at the same altitude I was before it
started snowing and all was fine.

Janet

On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 14:00:58 -0400, "Tommy T."
wrote:


"Gary S." wrote
I'll let you start counting altitude from the ocean floor, if you
start your hike there.

Being a little inconsistent there aren't you Gary? Where do you start those
Colorado 14ers, Needham?

I was replying to lukasz, who was saying that some claim Mauna Kea as
starting from the sea floor. Geologically, it is a volcano that is far
higher than Everest, if there were no ocean. We always count from sea
level, and I was suggesting how one could make a more interesting
hike.

You can't claim a bigger climb without doing a bigger climb.

Tommy T.

Explanations for the uninitiated number 1: some Colorado 14ers have roads
clear to the top and others can be approached by 4 wheel drive or mountain
bike or horse. For purposes of claiming an ascent of a 14er, various
standards have been suggested. One frequently asserted rule is that one
should hike/climb at least 3000 feet to claim a 14er.

There are many "rules" as to what peaks count.

In New England, the AMC has the list of official 4000 footers. A
summit must be at least 200 feet above the ridge connecting it to the
next peak, otherwise it is considered a shoulder of the other.

The Munroes in Scotland have a similar rule, differentiating between
summits and "tops".

When altimeters, and then GPS became common, the list had to be redone
to correct for the older map's inaccuracies.

The Adirondack 4000 footer list has never changed, although in fact
resurveying has shown that some should be added and others removed.

Where one starts in order to "claim" the summit is interesting. Any
set of rules will be somewhat arbitrary

Some do Mount Washington in NH by driving to a trailhead at 3000 feet,
and going up Ridge of the Caps to Jefferson, and then over to
Washington. Is this "cheating" over starting at 2600 feet (Ammanoosuc
Trail) or 2200 feet (Pinkham Notch)?

Denali at one point could only be climbed by starting about 30 miles
away, at about 1000 feet of altitude, with some hairy river crossings.
More recently, almost everyone starts by flying in to the Muldrow
Glacier at 7000 feet. Does this mean that none of these Muldrow
starts will count?

Goran Krupp seemed to be quite the purist. When he climbed Everest, he
started by cycling from his home in Sweden to the base of the
mountain, soloed to the summit, and then rode home. He did several
other trips in this style.

Explanations for the uninitiated number 2: Gary S. lives in a town near the
Atlantic Ocean where the lowest parts are barely above mean high tide.

My house is about 30 meters above MSL, according to the USGS map and
my GPS. I think I'm OK until the ice caps are about half-melted.

The nearest part of Dorchester Bay is about 10 miles due East, and
relatively few waves make it this far.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 18:13:26 GMT, Dave Stallard
wrote:

"Gary S." wrote:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 09:01:03 -0700, Lukasz Salwinski
wrote:

Gary S. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 23:56:30 -1000, (Janet) wrote:

Mauna Kea comes pretty close, though, at 13,667 feet.

not to mention, some count from the ocean floor ;o)
lukasz

I'll let you start counting altitude from the ocean floor, if you
start your hike there.

I think you just gave somebody (not me!) an idea for his next adventure
stunt.

How far down below the ocean does Mauna Kea start? I believe the Navy
has deep-sea diver suits (really, person-shaped wearable submarines)
that are rated for 2,000 ft or more.

Dave

From sea floor to summit it towers more than 5.6 miles (9 km), larger
than Everest from the surrounding area or from sea level.

The ultimate climb, one would step out of the bathysphere at the
lowest sea floor, and then climb along the ocean bottom to the shore
line, where you would change out of the deep sea diving suit, climb up
to the summit, and then launch from the summit with a hang glider and
catch thermals as high as possible.

If anyone actually does this, I should get royalties

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
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at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

"Gary S." wrote Some do Mount Washington in NH by driving to a trailhead
at 3000 feet,
and going up Ridge of the Caps to Jefferson, and then over to
Washington. Is this "cheating" over starting at 2600 feet (Ammanoosuc
Trail) or 2200 feet (Pinkham Notch)?

Well, you sent me to my maps. I maintain the Tuckerman Crossover Trail and
visit it three time a year, always hiking up and often visiting the summit.
I've started at 1300 ft at Appalacia to the North and right at 1000 ft on
the Davis Path to the South, in addition to those you've mentioned and a lot
more.

Tommy T.

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 15:36:33 -0700, lal_truckee
wrote:

Jean-Marc Boivin launched a glider off Everest's peak in 1988 - lousy
thermals, tho; high sink rate.

P.S. Didn't Steve McKinney and crew do an earlier flight from the West
Ridge?

I believe that some French climbers do what is called an enchainment,
where they climb Face A, use a parapente (a parachute that functions
like a hang glider) to descend to the base of climb B, and so on.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

Gary S. wrote:

From sea floor to summit it towers more than 5.6 miles (9 km), larger
than Everest from the surrounding area or from sea level.

The ultimate climb, one would step out of the bathysphere at the
lowest sea floor, and then climb along the ocean bottom to the shore
line, where you would change out of the deep sea diving suit, climb up
to the summit, and then launch from the summit with a hang glider and
catch thermals as high as possible.

If anyone actually does this, I should get royalties

Jean-Marc Boivin launched a glider off Everest's peak in 1988 - lousy
thermals, tho; high sink rate.

P.S. Didn't Steve McKinney and crew do an earlier flight from the West
Ridge?

Hi Everyone,
Thanks for all the input. If I find a team I will make sure we get
the avalanche rescue gear and training, but like I said, my #1 goal is
avoidance. Quandry has a long gentle ridge to the east of the summit
that I am told is great for winter ascents. I am not too interested
in Pike's Peak, I've been on that summit several times(but thanks for
the suggestion).

Thanks especially for the warning about avalanches while alpine
skiing. I've snuck(sp?) under the ropes a couple of times at ski
resorts but never done any wilderness skiing.

I'm not related to the famous Canadian skiier.

Anybody actually want to do the climb?

Ken