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$355 for 3 Hours
Are US Ski Instructors more than twice as effective as their European
counterparts? Visitors to Breckenridge this year (like us) will find that a 3 hour private lesson costs $355. The same service in Val Gardena, Italy is charged at less than $150. Why the difference? Insurance? Quality of service, or just the figure the school can get away with charging? |
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Redders wrote:
Are US Ski Instructors more than twice as effective as their European counterparts? Visitors to Breckenridge this year (like us) will find that a 3 hour private lesson costs $355. The same service in Val Gardena, Italy is charged at less than $150. Why the difference? Insurance? Quality of service, or just the figure the school can get away with charging? I'm betting it's insurance. That's where most of your lift ticket dollar goes in the US, at least, and I'm betting it's the same for instruction. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Mary Malmros wrote:
Redders wrote: Are US Ski Instructors more than twice as effective as their European counterparts? Visitors to Breckenridge this year (like us) will find that a 3 hour private lesson costs $355. The same service in Val Gardena, Italy is charged at less than $150. Why the difference? Insurance? Quality of service, or just the figure the school can get away with charging? I'm betting it's insurance. That's where most of your lift ticket dollar goes in the US, at least, and I'm betting it's the same for instruction. Mary, you should know better than to repeat that insurance canard. Insurance is even today a small part of ticket prices. |
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Bob Lee wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote: Redders wrote: Are US Ski Instructors more than twice as effective as their European counterparts? Visitors to Breckenridge this year (like us) will find that a 3 hour private lesson costs $355. The same service in Val Gardena, Italy is charged at less than $150. Why the difference? Insurance? Quality of service, or just the figure the school can get away with charging? I'm betting it's insurance. That's where most of your lift ticket dollar goes in the US, at least, and I'm betting it's the same for instruction. Got a cite for the insurance cost proportion? Just what they told us in employee training last fall. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Bob Lee wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote: Bob Lee wrote: Mary Malmros wrote: Redders wrote: Are US Ski Instructors more than twice as effective as their European counterparts? Visitors to Breckenridge this year (like us) will find that a 3 hour private lesson costs $355. The same service in Val Gardena, Italy is charged at less than $150. Why the difference? Insurance? Quality of service, or just the figure the school can get away with charging? I'm betting it's insurance. That's where most of your lift ticket dollar goes in the US, at least, and I'm betting it's the same for instruction. Got a cite for the insurance cost proportion? Just what they told us in employee training last fall. Now *that* was an interesting answer. What's so interesting about it, Bob? Quit being coy. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Bob Lee wrote:
[snip to make someone happy] Well, I'm thinking your employers might have thought it'd be in their interest to over-represent the impact of insurance costs. Like lal I've heard that the actual costs of insurance are a small proportion what is charged for a lift ticket. Maybe it's kind of cynical of me and all, but I can see the employers blowing smoke about it. Right, but I don't buy lift tickets from them...so why would they blow smoke to me? BTW, when you quote a whole post with just a few lines of original text [snip to make someone happy again or is that message for non-moderators only? No need to snark about it, Bob; I included all that for context in the past, but since you don't like it, I removed it all this time. I'll remove even more in the future, so as to preserve at least a 2:1 original-to-old text ratio. Zat work? I'm going to go google for a bit to see if I can get something about the proportion of insurance costs in lift tickets That's good of you. Mine's hearsay too, but at least I remember who I heard it from ;-) -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 21:29:44 -0600, Mary Malmros
wrote: Bob Lee wrote: [snip to make someone happy] Well, I'm thinking your employers might have thought it'd be in their interest to over-represent the impact of insurance costs. Like lal I've heard that the actual costs of insurance are a small proportion what is charged for a lift ticket. Maybe it's kind of cynical of me and all, but I can see the employers blowing smoke about it. Right, but I don't buy lift tickets from them...so why would they blow smoke to me? Maybe so that they can leave you with fewer of the touron's breadcrumbs than you truly deserve? Seriously, for what they pay instructors, instruction is badly overpriced in the US- plus people are still expected to tip. Hiring a guide is the same. Much cheaper in Europe - or at least it was back when the dollar was worth something. nate |
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Bob Lee wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote: Bob Lee wrote: Mary Malmros wrote: Bob Lee wrote: Mary Malmros wrote: Redders wrote: Are US Ski Instructors more than twice as effective as their European counterparts? Visitors to Breckenridge this year (like us) will find that a 3 hour private lesson costs $355. The same service in Val Gardena, Italy is charged at less than $150. Why the difference? Insurance? Quality of service, or just the figure the school can get away with charging? I'm betting it's insurance. That's where most of your lift ticket dollar goes in the US, at least, and I'm betting it's the same for instruction. Got a cite for the insurance cost proportion? Just what they told us in employee training last fall. Now *that* was an interesting answer. What's so interesting about it, Bob? Quit being coy. Well, I'm thinking your employers might have thought it'd be in their interest to over-represent the impact of insurance costs. Like lal I've heard that the actual costs of insurance are a small proportion what is charged for a lift ticket. Maybe it's kind of cynical of me and all, but I can see the employers blowing smoke about it. BTW, when you quote a whole post with just a few lines of original text do you get an auto-message in email telling you "Your post appears to have less than the required percentage of new text. Please trim your quotes more carefully in the future," or is that message for non-moderators only? I get it too; And again, I suppose. I'm going to go google for a bit to see if I can get something about the proportion of insurance costs in lift tickets Bob |
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Bob Lee wrote:
Mary Malmros wrote: Bob Lee wrote: [snip to make someone happy] Well, I'm thinking your employers might have thought it'd be in their interest to over-represent the impact of insurance costs. Like lal I've heard that the actual costs of insurance are a small proportion what is charged for a lift ticket. Maybe it's kind of cynical of me and all, but I can see the employers blowing smoke about it. Right, but I don't buy lift tickets from them...so why would they blow smoke to me? Well, I admitted it was probably cynical of me...but don't you (or the ski area employees) have contact with the public? Or maybe they're just justifying keeping their wages low? ;^) BTW, when you quote a whole post with just a few lines of original text [snip to make someone happy again or is that message for non-moderators only? No need to snark about it, Bob; I included all that for context in the past, but since you don't like it, I removed it all this time. I'll remove even more in the future, so as to preserve at least a 2:1 original-to-old text ratio. Zat work? I wasn't trying to be snarky, and I actually *like* it when the whole post is there for reference. I was just wondering, honest. It seemed kind of weird to me is all, and since I saw you do the same thing I got called on, I wondered... Okay, I apologize; no, I'm not seeing a message, but it may be because of my devastatingly efficient junk filters. I'm going to go google for a bit to see if I can get something about the proportion of insurance costs in lift tickets That's good of you. Mine's hearsay too, but at least I remember who I heard it from ;-) Hey, hey, hey now - did you consider that maybe my mind is *so* full of important and amazing facts that it's like an overflowing Rolodex and some stuff falls out? Actually, I thought that was dandruff, and I was politely ignoring it. ;-) But I couldn't find anything definitive that I cared to pull up. Googling factors+influencing+costs+skiing+insurance+"ski+ar eas" gave me a bunch of .pdf files that I didn't care to download via dial-up at home. About the only thing I did find on the topic was some people on the Snow Journal forum that claimed to have 'heard' the insurance cost was about 10%: http://www.snowjournal.com/page.php?cid=topic5469 Well, maybe lal will have a reference for us. A very high figure would not surprise me, however; I heard some premium numbers from some friends of mine who are whitewater outfitters, and they were truly shocking. The two are not the same, but I would sort of expect the recent trend in rapid increases in insurance costs for outfitters to also be present in the ski industry. -- Mary Malmros Some days you're the windshield, other days you're the bug. |
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Mary Malmros wrote:
snip I'm betting it's insurance. That's where most of your lift ticket dollar goes in the US, at least, and I'm betting it's the same for instruction. Got a cite for the insurance cost proportion? Just what they told us in employee training last fall. I also heard this from my former employer, a Colorado ski area. They even went on to say that the difference in price between Utah resorts (at the time I think Snowbird was $25 and we were $45 or so) was due to the different liability laws in Co and Utah that force the areas in Co to have higher insurance costs. I never researched it, but it didn't seem unlikely to me. Matt |
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