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Best way to train uphill skating on flat terrain?
That's what I want to know.
Where I live it's all flat to mildly rolling. When I get into ski races my only annoying part are the steep ups where I can tell I just don't have any familiarity with stepping each foot up a lot higher and planting poles higher. I greatly enjoyed hills when I lived near them. I'd like to do some kind of training that would get me ready for that "lifting" aspect and the "pulling down" with the arms. I haven't quite figured out how to on these here flats. Maybe some has an easy idea. Stadium stairs aren't anywhere around and it's probably not easiest to use poles on them anyway. -- Jeff Potter **** *Out Your Backdoor * * http://www.outyourbackdoor.com publishing do-it-yourself culture ... bikes, skis, boats & more ... plus radically relevant novels at the ULA's LiteraryRevolution.com ... free music ... tons o' articles ... travel forums ... WOW! |
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Best way to train uphill skating on flat terrain?
Jeff Potter wrote:
That's what I want to know. Where I live it's all flat to mildly rolling. When I get into ski races my only annoying part are the steep ups where I can tell I just don't have any familiarity with stepping each foot up a lot higher and planting poles higher. I greatly enjoyed hills when I lived near them. I'd like to do some kind of training that would get me ready for that "lifting" aspect and the "pulling down" with the arms. I haven't quite figured out how to on these here flats. Maybe some has an easy idea. Stadium stairs aren't anywhere around and it's probably not easiest to use poles on them anyway. -- Jeff Potter **** *Out Your Backdoor * http://www.outyourbackdoor.com publishing do-it-yourself culture ... bikes, skis, boats & more ... plus radically relevant novels at the ULA's LiteraryRevolution.com ... free music ... tons o' articles ... travel forums ... WOW! Jeff: Leash a tire to your belt with a long enough cord that it doesn't interfere with your stride! You could vary the hill steepness by selecting a larger heavier tire. A 2% grade may be approximated with a MTB tire. A wall could be approximated with a seme-truck tire! BTW, I haven't tried this, although I've considered carrying a larger profile bike tire as a "drag brake" that I could throw out when I needed to control my speed on downhills. MOO, Matt |
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Best way to train uphill skating on flat terrain?
Don't eat and do lots of roller board to increase you're 'Gorilla' factor
(borrowing a term from Bill Koch). jw milwaukee (doing my 'cut the grass' training) |
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Best way to train uphill skating on flat terrain?
About increasing drag: I suppose this would increase my forward lean
but does this really simulate uphill effort? What I'd like to do is simulate lifting the foot higher up the hill each time and planting the pole in a higher place. It's the pulling the body vertically up that I'm missing. Like, I ski around while pulling my heavy tracksetter and that increases drag a lot but it still seems like it's missing that uphill stuff. Oh well, I suspect it can't really be simulated. Gotta just find a hill! --JP |
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Rollerboard vs. Elastics? Best way to train uphill skating on flat terrain?
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Best way to train uphill skating on flat terrain?
Right after skating up some big hills on snow in France, I came home and
tried some high-resistance rollerskis on flat pavement. And I was surprised at how similar skating V1 on my Jenex 830 rollerskis felt to on-snow hill-climbing. Jeff Potter wrote: What I'd like to do is simulate lifting the foot higher up the hill each time While direct vertical lifting is the obvious thing to worry about, lots of people are getting beyond the simplistic physics and finding that it's more effective to focus on _skating_ up the hill. Keep the skis gliding at an angle out to the side as a way to control the "gearing" for uphill and to engage non-obvious muscles. Even coming from the National team level (where the racers have the strength to climb by direct vertical lifting any time they wanted), I recall Vordenberg emphasizing the "skating" aspect in one of his Master Skier articles. I agree that the upward lift is difficult to simulate on flat land -- but I observe: (a) vertical lifting of the weight of the leg uses a lot of the same muscles as the upward-lift (or upward-pull?) phase of a bicycling pedal-stroke. (b) vertical lifting of weight of the upper body uses a lot of the same leg muscles as the down-push phase of a bicycling pedal-stroke -- especially when standing. Ken P.S. Don't get _too_ good at hill simulation, otherwise you'll lose your excuse for not beating the guys who live in the middle of good ski-training terrain. |
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Best way to train uphill skating on flat terrain?
Aero 150s, speed reducer on "4". Worked just fine for me when I lived
in central Jersey. |
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Best way to train uphill skating on flat terrain?
Jeff Potter wrote:
About increasing drag: I suppose this would increase my forward lean but does this really simulate uphill effort? What I'd like to do is simulate lifting the foot higher up the hill each time and planting the pole in a higher place. It's the pulling the body vertically up that I'm missing. Like, I ski around while pulling my heavy tracksetter and that increases drag a lot but it still seems like it's missing that uphill stuff. Oh well, I suspect it can't really be simulated. Gotta just find a hill! --JP About uphill technique: we are no longer being taught to step up the hill. Instead the emphasis is on pushing out to the side, much as you would while v2. We worked on a quicker tempo, faster turn over (don't glide long to avoid deceleration) and push to the side (to avoid the dead stop the pushing ski experiences in too much stepping forward.) It really works! One of those eureka! moments for me. The first session we worked on it I already felt a dramatic improvement. Jim Farrell -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 100,000 Newsgroups - 19 Different Servers! =----- |
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Best way to train uphill skating on flat terrain?
Thanks for the tip, Jim. I'll work on it. I agree that there's less
stepping up, but there's still some and that part of me seems to get tired since I can't do hills around here. --JP |
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