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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
My current boots, 2001-2002 Salomon Dialogues, pinch the front of my ankles,
towards the inside/arch... I ride 15 degrees front and 9 degrees back, toed out to keep an upright stance... But after about 2 hours in the boots, I'm ripping them off in severe pain. It feels like they are too soft and are transfering the pressure of the binding, Ride Team EX, to my ankle... I'm an ex slalom skier and have a tendency to beat on my boots by using alot of knee angulation. The guys in the ski shops dropped dead when they say me flex a 2002-2003 Salamon Crossmax 10.0 ski boot. Any pointers? Other than the pinching, the boots are great. But from what I am hearing from the guyns in the shops, someone of my size (6'2", 195 lbs) should be in a stiff boot. I'm an advanced beginner and will be progressing through to Advanced Intermediate this year. Very quick to catch on as I grew up on snow and on skateboards...Would like to eliminate the pinching and have been considering modifying the boots to make them stiffer. So what do the experts on the group say? Any advice for a tall, agressive boarder? If it means anything, I have a size 11.5 foot and ride a Ride Mountain board. Would like to move to a narrower board this year as well but will probably need some sort of riser to keep heels and toes from catching... Sierra Rider |
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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
Any pointers? Other than the pinching, the boots are great.
This statement proves that the boots are not in fact great. Aside from playing with stance angles, binding strap setup etc, you may have to take the plunge into buying *more comfortable boots* What about going all retro and hooking up a hard-boot setup? Maybe not cranking down on your ankle straps? I wish you luck becasue footpain can kill a good day of riding. |
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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
What about going all retro and hooking up a hard-boot setup?
If you're looking to carve or do all -mountain riding this may be the answer for you. I personally find my Raichle hard boots to be more comfortable than any soft boot I've worn. Most of that is due to the heat-moldable ThermoFlex liners. Thermoflex or Intuition heat-moldable liners are in a completely different league than most of the other heat moldable liners about there - they actually work! This will allow you to get on a board of pretty much any width you want, as well. In addition to narrower freeride boars it opens up the world of alpine boards and hybrids - for example, the Donek Axis, Coiler All-Mountain, and Prior 4x4. If you don't want hard boots... IMHO the 3 most important things in a soft boot are fit, fit, and fit. Most of the brands out there tend to fit a certain shape of boot. I definitely have Salomon feet. If yours are pinching part of your foot you might want to try another brand. If you think they're simply not stiff enough, but you like the Salomon fit, try a Malamute. It's the stiffest two-piece (separate liner) soft boots I've ever come across. (I own the 2001-02 in that boot, although I use my hard boots more often) Mike T |
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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
On Wed, 01 Oct 2003 14:24:20 GMT, "Mike T" allegedly
wrote: IMHO the 3 most important things in a soft boot are fit, fit, and fit. Ha! Nice. I'll put that in the FAQ. - Dave. -- The only powder to get high on, falls from the sky. http://www.vpas.org/ - Snowboarding the worlds pow pow - Securing your e-mail The Snowboard FAQ lives here - http://rssFAQ.org/ |
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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
Well, if you like the fit of Salomon boots, there's the Malamutes. I'm
using them, and know a couple other folks using them as well. For the most part, we love them. Stiff yet cozy. I've also found that getting the right "snug" on the upper boot cuff can make a difference. If you're in the habit of lacing the upper cuff loose that might be part of it. You'll have to translate PSIA for me, so I don't know what you mean by knee angulation. Also, I don't remember that specific binding, but most Ride bindings I've seen use metal heelcups. If you really power you foot and ankle around, maybe going with a binding that has a little flex to it would fit with you better. I had sore ankles when I used metal heelcup bindings. Switching to salomon bindings that use a polymer heelcup fixed it. No real loss in response either. |
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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
Hey Brett... I think I "might" know what is happening as I had a
similar problem at least with the Green/Black dialogues (02-03)... I had the Orange/Black ones too (01-02?) but they dug into my shins and I traded them in. I had severe pinching pain in front of my ankle on the top and sides near my arch. It always starts after a few hours (right around lunch). Turns out there is this tough piece of semi-elastic fabric in the liner that goes across the sides of the liner right in front of your ankle. It's purpose is to help control heel lift I think... however, if you are a big knee bender like me... that piece of tough fabric start digging in a LOT into your foot (if you remove your foot and take off a sock you will see the impression it leave). My solution to this was to just take a scissors and cut this part out. That helps a LOT. However, after 2 pairs of Salmons and talking to several other people... I've decided that Salomon boots just aren't very durable... they break down in stiffness very quickly and your heel/ankle begins to lift... it's a particular problem for me because I have narrow/feet ankles... I got a pair of DCShoes at the end of last season as I'm told they last forever. "Brett" wrote in message news:VLueb.644606$Ho3.134494@sccrnsc03... My current boots, 2001-2002 Salomon Dialogues, pinch the front of my ankles, towards the inside/arch... I ride 15 degrees front and 9 degrees back, toed out to keep an upright stance... But after about 2 hours in the boots, I'm ripping them off in severe pain. It feels like they are too soft and are transfering the pressure of the binding, Ride Team EX, to my ankle... I'm an ex slalom skier and have a tendency to beat on my boots by using alot of knee angulation. The guys in the ski shops dropped dead when they say me flex a 2002-2003 Salamon Crossmax 10.0 ski boot. Any pointers? Other than the pinching, the boots are great. But from what I am hearing from the guyns in the shops, someone of my size (6'2", 195 lbs) should be in a stiff boot. I'm an advanced beginner and will be progressing through to Advanced Intermediate this year. Very quick to catch on as I grew up on snow and on skateboards...Would like to eliminate the pinching and have been considering modifying the boots to make them stiffer. So what do the experts on the group say? Any advice for a tall, agressive boarder? If it means anything, I have a size 11.5 foot and ride a Ride Mountain board. Would like to move to a narrower board this year as well but will probably need some sort of riser to keep heels and toes from catching... Sierra Rider |
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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
I would suggest trying on some different (non Salomon) boots. Salomon boots
are a love hate relationship, they either fit your feet like a glove, or they put you in foot pain misery, there's no inbetween with salomons. I personally can't wear salomons, after 15 minutes in the boots my feet are screaming. Go the store, and start trying stuff on, leave it on as long as you can, walk around in it, tighten a binding down on it, do whatever you can to simulate riding pressure points. Some boots just don't interface well with some bindings. I use Ride bindings as well (SPI), and I have a pair of Burton Zones that I rode for 3 seasons which were awesome, now I ride a pair of Ride Neos which are nice as well but probably not stiff enough for you, sometimes of benefit is buying boots & bindings from the same MFG as they will design their boots & bindings to interface with eachother. Ask the store folk to reccommend some stiff boots (other than salomons). I will refrain from making any reccommendations as boots are a totally individual experience and what I like, you may abhor. Consider some superfeet insoles too, they're always a nice addition if you've got the money. I have a size 10 boot and use Palmer Powerlink risers for both the added leverage and decreased heel/toe drag (I can really lay a board down to the point I'm turning uphill at the end of my turns). The added leverage makes my edge to edge transitions faster, but even with the risers and 20+ degree angles I can still get drag (which is why I'm considering adding an alpine hardboot setup to my gear), don't want to go much more on the binding angles because it will sacrifice my terrain park and switch rideability. Good luck -Tom AASI 187640 "Brett" wrote in message news:VLueb.644606$Ho3.134494@sccrnsc03... My current boots, 2001-2002 Salomon Dialogues, pinch the front of my ankles, towards the inside/arch... I ride 15 degrees front and 9 degrees back, toed out to keep an upright stance... But after about 2 hours in the boots, I'm ripping them off in severe pain. It feels like they are too soft and are transfering the pressure of the binding, Ride Team EX, to my ankle... I'm an ex slalom skier and have a tendency to beat on my boots by using alot of --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
Consider some
superfeet insoles too, they're always a nice addition if you've got the money. I'll second that! I have one pair I move between my hard boots and soft and they do help a lot. |
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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
Hi Arvin,
Well, It seems I've found someone who rides like me and knows EXACTLY what I am talking about. I have a low instep so cranking up the boots to keep my heal in the pocket has been an issue, but never in ski boots. But in the the Salomon Dialogues, I'm running for the lodge after about 3 hours on the slope tryingto rip the boots off my feet... And like you, I am a big knee bender. I'll probably take your advice in finding that little elastic frabic and cutting it out. I can resolve the heal lift issues, if any should arise, in other ways. After one season, I've already found that the Salomon boots are softer, or are softer than at the beginning of the season. They seem to break down fast. Like you, I've been asking around and several shops have pointed out a couple of DC Shoes boots that should fit my needs. I'm waiting for the shops to get their inventory in so I can try on as many boots as possible to avoid the same mistake. Thanks for confirming that I'm not wierd in believing my boots are the cause. Too many shops wanted to sell me new boots and bindings!!! Going with a binding with a polymer heal cup probably won't do as I'm as bruttal on bindings as boots. I prefer the metall and carbon fiber heal cups... Which DC Shoes boots dod you go with? I'll let you know how it goes, here on the group, so others can benefit... Brett "Arvin Chang" wrote in message m... Hey Brett... I think I "might" know what is happening as I had a similar problem at least with the Green/Black dialogues (02-03)... I had the Orange/Black ones too (01-02?) but they dug into my shins and I traded them in. I had severe pinching pain in front of my ankle on the top and sides near my arch. It always starts after a few hours (right around lunch). Turns out there is this tough piece of semi-elastic fabric in the liner that goes across the sides of the liner right in front of your ankle. It's purpose is to help control heel lift I think... however, if you are a big knee bender like me... that piece of tough fabric start digging in a LOT into your foot (if you remove your foot and take off a sock you will see the impression it leave). My solution to this was to just take a scissors and cut this part out. That helps a LOT. However, after 2 pairs of Salmons and talking to several other people... I've decided that Salomon boots just aren't very durable... they break down in stiffness very quickly and your heel/ankle begins to lift... it's a particular problem for me because I have narrow/feet ankles... I got a pair of DCShoes at the end of last season as I'm told they last forever. "Brett" wrote in message news:VLueb.644606$Ho3.134494@sccrnsc03... My current boots, 2001-2002 Salomon Dialogues, pinch the front of my ankles, towards the inside/arch... I ride 15 degrees front and 9 degrees back, toed out to keep an upright stance... But after about 2 hours in the boots, I'm ripping them off in severe pain. It feels like they are too soft and are transfering the pressure of the binding, Ride Team EX, to my ankle... I'm an ex slalom skier and have a tendency to beat on my boots by using alot of knee angulation. The guys in the ski shops dropped dead when they say me flex a 2002-2003 Salamon Crossmax 10.0 ski boot. Any pointers? Other than the pinching, the boots are great. But from what I am hearing from the guyns in the shops, someone of my size (6'2", 195 lbs) should be in a stiff boot. I'm an advanced beginner and will be progressing through to Advanced Intermediate this year. Very quick to catch on as I grew up on snow and on skateboards...Would like to eliminate the pinching and have been considering modifying the boots to make them stiffer. So what do the experts on the group say? Any advice for a tall, agressive boarder? If it means anything, I have a size 11.5 foot and ride a Ride Mountain board. Would like to move to a narrower board this year as well but will probably need some sort of riser to keep heels and toes from catching... Sierra Rider |
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Boots pinch front of ankle... Tall Rider
Tom,
Everyone has experience that may be beneficial to others.. I have no problems with people giving their opinins on particular products and models... I di plan on looking at the Ride boots coming out this year as they sem to have put alot of work into them... Many new models??? I swear by the Superfeet insoles!!! They're in every book I use. The shop guy placed them in my new Salomon ski boots to tweak the fit and I will never take them out. They took a boot that was just a bit too short to an absolutely perfect fit. And that comes from skiing over 31 years in about a dozen boots. What do you mean that you're considering adding an alpine hardboot setup to your gear? After this year, I'll probably be picking up a second, narrower board, that is more versatile. With the Palmer risers... Which means looking at a gear made to ride parks, etc but built to handle my size... Any suggestions? "My Name" wrote in message news:CrPeb.36594$gv5.35760@fed1read05... I would suggest trying on some different (non Salomon) boots. Salomon boots are a love hate relationship, they either fit your feet like a glove, or they put you in foot pain misery, there's no inbetween with salomons. I personally can't wear salomons, after 15 minutes in the boots my feet are screaming. Go the store, and start trying stuff on, leave it on as long as you can, walk around in it, tighten a binding down on it, do whatever you can to simulate riding pressure points. Some boots just don't interface well with some bindings. I use Ride bindings as well (SPI), and I have a pair of Burton Zones that I rode for 3 seasons which were awesome, now I ride a pair of Ride Neos which are nice as well but probably not stiff enough for you, sometimes of benefit is buying boots & bindings from the same MFG as they will design their boots & bindings to interface with eachother. Ask the store folk to reccommend some stiff boots (other than salomons). I will refrain from making any reccommendations as boots are a totally individual experience and what I like, you may abhor. Consider some superfeet insoles too, they're always a nice addition if you've got the money. I have a size 10 boot and use Palmer Powerlink risers for both the added leverage and decreased heel/toe drag (I can really lay a board down to the point I'm turning uphill at the end of my turns). The added leverage makes my edge to edge transitions faster, but even with the risers and 20+ degree angles I can still get drag (which is why I'm considering adding an alpine hardboot setup to my gear), don't want to go much more on the binding angles because it will sacrifice my terrain park and switch rideability. Good luck -Tom AASI 187640 "Brett" wrote in message news:VLueb.644606$Ho3.134494@sccrnsc03... My current boots, 2001-2002 Salomon Dialogues, pinch the front of my ankles, towards the inside/arch... I ride 15 degrees front and 9 degrees back, toed out to keep an upright stance... But after about 2 hours in the boots, I'm ripping them off in severe pain. It feels like they are too soft and are transfering the pressure of the binding, Ride Team EX, to my ankle... I'm an ex slalom skier and have a tendency to beat on my boots by using alot of --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 9/29/2003 |
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