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Jim wrote: .... Unfortunatly this year may go down as one of those years where we need to suck it up and go back to the drawing board. I am certain there are many opinions to what we needto do differntly but I can say many things in our national ski programs need to change if we are going to expect consistent top results. Go. What things ? Please back up your smack & cite five concrete examples. You know better than Coach Peter Vordenberg & his staff. They would sincerely appreciate the dialogue. Intensity blocks have been proven by the scandanavians if not others. "Things changed" quite a bit from last year to this year when many of the team athletes were succeptible to illness, and off season training plans were adapted. Were the team athletes @ US Nationals (such as Swenson & AJ) there to peak for our nationals or were they there for physiological reasons for later benefit (heavy duty training without taper) ? Andrew Johnson had a successful USNationals. Will your view be different if the team peaks and medals for Worlds, as has been the plan for over a year ? |
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I will be the first to congratulate the USST if they win medals at the
World Championships. It would be a peak of historic proportions to win medals coming off early season Worl Cup races in the 40-45 and 60's rank. The USST at nationals were flat and tired. End of story |
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delltodd wrote:
Go. What things ? Please back up your smack & cite five concrete examples. You know better than Coach Peter Vordenberg & his staff. They would sincerely appreciate the dialogue. I'm afraid you're confused, Dell. Pete is not the coach, but the assistant coach; I also doubt that he has a staff (he is the staff). To get a better handle on that relationship from more than just from a nominal or hierarchical point of view, I suggest comparing what the actual Coach, Trond Nystad, wrote about technique on the TeamToday site with what Pete (and Andrew and others) have been espousing. As for training, note that asst. coach Pete has acknowledged since arriving in Europe this season that the world of training relative to performance is a whole lot more complex and less certain than he imagined. I wish them all the best in races, yet have to wonder about reports like the one just up after horribly blowing the wax in Pragelato, in which Pete talks about how they all sat around, held hands (at least figuratively speaking), laughed, and said they weren't mad at each other. This is World Cup, which I take to mean World Class. Gene |
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On 25 Jan 2005 09:20:58 -0800, "Jim" wrote:
I for one do not believe it is developmentally sound to train so hard that performance is eroded or comprimised for a whole year becuase of a new training system. Do you know that this is the case with the US team? JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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JT
One only needs to look at their performances this year in total to conclude that their performance have erode from previous years. I am sure the athletes themselves would even recognize this. |
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On 25 Jan 2005 16:16:16 -0800, "Jim" wrote:
JT One only needs to look at their performances this year in total to conclude that their performance have erode from previous years. I am sure the athletes themselves would even recognize this. I didn't realize the season was over. Sorry I missed that. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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delltodd wrote: Were the team athletes @ US Nationals (such as Swenson & AJ) there to peak for our nationals or were they there for physiological reasons for later benefit (heavy duty training without taper) ? Andrew Johnson had a successful USNationals. Kris Freeman should be fine. We have to realize though that Carl Swenson is getting older. I think he's 34 now. He's been at it a long time and races mountain bikes in the summer. It probably takes him longer to get into the ski swing than it used to. We had a great team at the 2002 Olympics which included John Bauer and Pat Weaver at their peaks. They've moved on now. Bauer has to be 36 and Weaver 34 or 35. A J doing well at U S Nationals is great but that isn't like placing in the top 20 on the World Cup. Another question is; How good can Rob Whitney get? The guy has loads of talent but his commitment to his education slowed his progress. In the same position, I would have concentrated on college too... As for the women, Rebecca Dussault can go farther up the WC results list. Wendy Wagner is probably as fast as she's going to get. Young guns like Kikkan Randall, Lindsey Weier and Lindsey Williams have tons of potential. Jay Tegeder "Keep training, lycra never lies!" JT |
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JT
Perhaps an understanding of international racing will help. I hope the USST skiers are able to rebound for the worlds. However understanding international competition leads me to beleive there chances are not all that good. The world cup is not like racing on the local masters circuit. To excel one must be in the very best shape and have the best preparation. Any disruption of training, over training, or less than optimal race performance can have a big impact that may not be recoverable in a week or two or even a season. This might sound harsh but it is the reality of high level performance. If you question my assemement of the US Teams performance go to the FIS site and look at indivual results over the past couple of season. I am certain you will find virtually everyones FIS points have been increasing over the past two years or more. |
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On 25 Jan 2005 17:03:36 -0800, "Jim" wrote:
JT Perhaps an understanding of international racing will help. I hope the USST skiers are able to rebound for the worlds. However understanding international competition leads me to beleive there chances are not all that good. Jim, perhaps an understanding of logic will help. Words like "whole year" are quite specific. I'm impressed that you are so knowledgeable that you are certain about the outcomes of events that have not happened yet. The world cup is not like racing on the local masters circuit. I forgot that. I've got a little 15K this week and thought it was pretty much World Cup level, but thanks for setting me straight. JT **************************** Remove "remove" to reply Visit http://www.jt10000.com **************************** |
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JT
Logic you say, how about accurate quotes . When you attribute a statement to someone and place it is quotes it should be accurate. This is what I said "One only needs to look at their performances this year in total to conclude that their performance have erode from previous years. I am sure the athletes themselves would even recognize this." |
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