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Alps Could Be Ice Free by 2100
Notbaigh Innit wrote in
: Bunch of leftist liberal crap. Yea Science, it sucks. Might as well just let politics guide us? Well, it's cross posted so who knows where Notbaigh Innit is posting from? Sea levels are slowly rising... http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html Like to Ski? wrote: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...iers-alps.html Alps Could Be Ice Free by 2100, Study Warns James Owen for National Geographic News July 11, 2006 Glaciers in the European Alps are melting so fast that the mountains could be virtually ice free by the end of this century, a new global warming study warns. |
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Alps Could Be Ice Free by 2100
Kurt Knisely wrote:
Notbaigh Innit Bunch of leftist liberal crap. Yea Science, it sucks. Might as well just let politics guide us? Well, it's cross posted so who knows where Notbaigh Innit is posting from? I think he's a regular on alt.ostrich.sand //Walt |
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Alps Could Be Ice Free by 2100
July 11, 2006
Glaciers in the European Alps are melting so fast that the mountains could be virtually ice free by the end of this century, a new global warming study warns. Ask yourself exactly who is screaming the loudest about global warming, and are these same individuals allowing all sides of the debate to be heard. If not, then this cause is being used to serve a political objective. If a political organization wants to gain more control over a population, what better excuse is there than the environment? |
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Postman's Holiday wrote:
July 11, 2006 Glaciers in the European Alps are melting so fast that the mountains could be virtually ice free by the end of this century, a new global warming study warns. Ask yourself exactly who is screaming the loudest about global warming, and are these same individuals allowing all sides of the debate to be heard. All sides are allowed to be heard. On one side we have the scientists making measuements, applying models based on scientific principles, and publishing in peer reviewed journals. And on the other side we have kooks on the internets and paid shills for the petroleum companies. I can hear both quite audibly. Who do you think has more credibility? If not, then this cause is being used to serve a political objective. If a political organization wants to gain more control over a population, what better excuse is there than the environment? Um ... fear of terrorism? Seems to have worked pretty well the last 5 years.... //Walt |
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Alps Could Be Ice Free by 2100
Postman's Holiday wrote:
Ask yourself exactly who is screaming the loudest about global warming, and are these same individuals allowing all sides of the debate to be heard. If not, then this cause is being used to serve a political objective. If a political organization wants to gain more control over a population, what better excuse is there than the environment? Dam, Postman; you've hit it right on the head, cut though the BS to the core. Excellent. Now, let's answer your questions. Which side screams loudest? Clearly the anti-climate change folks. The data supported side uses the quieter communication mode of publishing scientific evidence in refereed science journals where anything can be published provided you supply hard data. Where what a scientist wants more than anything is to publish something new and different and make a name for herself? Where a journal wants more than anything to publish something new and different and well supported and make itself front and center in science? Where the journals publish parallel "Letters" journals so that even the less well supported claims can get a hearing. OK. And which side suppresses official government science publications that don't fit preconceived policy in order to prevent all sides of the debate to be heard? Which side orders changes in government scientist's reports to fit preconceived policy? Ah! I begin to see a pattern. The scientific side publishes data supported reports; the anti-climate change side screams fraud, but publishes no new data supported reports, and actively seeks to prevent reports from being published when they have control. Postman, thanks for bringing this to our attention - You have done us a great service. I suspect we all would never have noticed that the anti-climate change folks were hiding their lack of data behind wave after wave of loud screaming. |
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Postman's Holiday wrote:
If a political organization wants to gain more control over a population, what better excuse is there than the environment? Terrorism. HTH -klaus |
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Dam, Postman; you've hit it right on the head, cut though the
BS to the core. Excellent. Now, let's answer your questions. ... Better yet, let's respond to your indoctrination. Why does the media treat a political hack as a climate expert? An individual with no background in any hard science - yet somehow this person is the world's most knowledgable expert on climate change. Although if such were the case, we might expect that alternate opinions would be heard. In fact, why does the major media decide to ignore alternate opinions. Such as, http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_3899807 http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ic...#anchor2150539 During the last winter (northern hemisphere) did you read any of the following? "Poland is experiencing its coldest winter in several decades and like other parts of Europe, temperatures have fallen to as low as minus 30 Celsius. The cold has killed nearly 200 in Poland, disrupted transport and highlighted gas supply problems." http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3555678a10,00.html "The UK Meteorological Office said that icy winds from the east would trigger the coldest winter in a decade for Britain especially in southern regions. The Office's latest predictions models indicate a colder than average winter for much of the European continent as well following a milder trend over the past few years. Experts said that such predictions could be made with an accuracy of two-thirds. The UK Met Office has been working with the country's Department of Health, discovering a dramatic increase in mortality and hospital admissions during cold weather." http://www.met-office.gov.uk/researc...forecasts/head... Or reports from the past several months from the southern hemisphe "New Zealanders have never seen snow like this - 23 Jun 06 - Napier police are advising motorists not to expect the Napier-Taupo Highway to open on Friday, with snow continuing to fall on the road. A spokesperson says a large number of vehicles are lining up at Eskdale in the hope the road may open. Police and the army are currently trying to clear the road so stranded vehicles can be returned to their owners." http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/411319/763217 "Record cold in Australia - 18 Jun 06 - The city of Perth recorded its coldest night on record Friday night, as temperatures dropped below zero. The average daily low in June in Perth is 10.1C (50.2F), and the average high is 18.3C (64.9F). Not since records began has the mercury dropped below zero during any month of the year. But it dipped to minus 0.6C (30.9F) Friday night, giving Perth its first official freeze. " http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/n...2006news.shtml "Record cold in Australia - 16 Jun 06 - Records toppled in many parts of Australia yesterday. NE VIC, Benalla, Rutherglen and Wangaratta all registered their coldest temperatures on record for any month. Rutherglen's -7.5 knocked 0.9 off the previous all-time record. Just over the border in NSW, Corowa's -5.0 was also its coldest temperature in 34 years, while at minus 3.0, Parkes recorded its coldest June reading in half a century In SA, Elliston dropped to -0.8, its first sub-zero June temperature in 45 years, while Kingscote's -2.0 set a new all-time low. " http://www.australianweathernews.com...6/060614.SHTML What if Dr. Gray and Dr. Pielke, the climate researchers in Colorado, are correct? Should we follow the lead of a political hack who turned weather expert? And ignore or seek to discredit those views which do not support our own? |
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Alps Could Be Ice Free by 2100
"Postman's Holiday" wrote in
ups.com: Should we follow the lead of a political hack who turned weather expert? And ignore or seek to discredit those views which do not support our own? Ahh, I know what's bugging you now, it was that flick, by that Gore guy? I haven't seen it yet. Is that what got your underware all in a bunch? I really couldn't give a rip what he has to say and if it bugs you, you shouldn't either. Re-read what Walt wrote. Otherwise this is fairly concise: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming (dang liberals and their science) From what I've read about Global Warming is that weather will be chaotic. That might explain some of your previous links. Colder than **** here last winter and slightly above average snowpack. As skiers, the warming up of our favorite playgrounds tends to hit home. -K |
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Postman's Holiday wrote:
In fact, why does the major media decide to ignore alternate opinions. Such as, http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_3899807 This stuff almost writes itself. From the above article: "Admittedly, I possess virtually no expertise in science." Why ignore the opinons of people who have no expertise in science? Maybe because they have no expertise in science? Is that really so hard to grasp? Might I direct you to Science Magazine and this article: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../306/5702/1686 Policy-makers and the media, particularly in the United States, frequently assert that climate science is highly uncertain. ...[They] suggest that there might be substantive disagreementin the scientific community about the reality of anthropogenic climate change. This is not the case. The American Meteorological Society (6), the American Geophysical Union (7), and the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS) all have issued statements in recent years concluding that the evidence for human modification of climate is compelling (8). [They analyzed] 928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003, and listed in the ISI database with the keywords "climate change"... Of all the papers, 75%... either explicitly or implicitly accepting the consensus view; 25% dealt with methods or paleoclimate, taking no position on current anthropogenic climate change. Remarkably, none of the papers disagreed with the consensus position. So, the reason why your side is losing the argument is that THERE ISN'T ANY ACTUAL SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH THAT SUPPORTS YOUR POSITION. None. Zip. Nada. You might as well be advocating for a flat earth theory. //Walt |
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Alps Could Be Ice Free by 2100
On 18 Jul 2006 13:22:11 -0700, "Postman's Holiday"
wrote: Dam, Postman; you've hit it right on the head, cut though the BS to the core. Excellent. Now, let's answer your questions. ... Better yet, let's respond to your indoctrination. Why does the media treat a political hack as a climate expert? An individual with no background in any hard science - yet somehow this person is the world's most knowledgable expert on climate change. Although if such were the case, we might expect that alternate opinions would be heard. In fact, why does the major media decide to ignore alternate opinions. Such as, http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_3899807 http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/harris061206.htm http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ic...#anchor2150539 During the last winter (northern hemisphere) did you read any of the following? snip 2 quick points just 'cuz #1 anecdotes ain't data. #2 the things that you cite actually SUPPORT the notion of global climate change. Global warming aint all there is too it, it is global climate change with some plcaes like Europe being in a deep frezze that more closely approximates their latitude once the great ocean currents are altered (the Gulf Stream e.g.) Sheesh. Dave M. |
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