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On Nov 28, 3:17 pm, klaus wrote:

snip

I don't ever recall EVER bringing up Bush. He didn't even enter my
conversation.


By the way I was meaning to ask, asshole. Was playing frisby with your
dog, job training or trying to find a meaningful relationship.

Crawl back into your hole, before I remind everyone that you're merely
a mildly literate Jeff Davis.

Clarencedarrow wrote:
On Nov 28, 3:17 pm, klaus wrote:

snip

I don't ever recall EVER bringing up Bush. He didn't even enter my
conversation.

I didn't remember anyone bringng up Gore 'til you did.



By the way I was meaning to ask, asshole. Was playing frisby with your
dog, job training or trying to find a meaningful relationship.

A little of both. Why do you ask?

Crawl back into your hole, before I remind everyone that you're merely
a mildly literate Jeff Davis.

grin And that would make you a mildly sane Scott Abraham. ;

-klaus

In article
,
Clarencedarrow wrote:

I don't ever recall EVER bringing up Bush. He didn't even enter my
conversation.


Bush is much more of the player in the global warming issue than Gore
can ever be. The US is the largest producer of greenhouses gases, and
the Bush Administration could actually put in place strict limits of
production of greenhouse gases, besides agreeing and ratifying the
Kyoto Accord.

Instead for almost seven years, they have been blocking and impeding
global warming initiatives, or getting former lawyers of the petroleum
industry be in charge of administration white papers on global warming
Policy, or suppressing certain gov't scientific studies on global
warming. The Bush Administration went all out to sabotage the recent
Montreal Conference on Global Warming.

This isn't just a Bush Administration problem, it is an American
problem, and sooner than later, there has to be some tough action and
choices by the US Federal Gov't to curtail greenhouse gas emissions, and
ratify the Kyoto Accords.

Whether Al Gore is an private jet using energy hog or not, Bush is in
control of US gov't initiatives and policy to Global Warming. His
inaction to global warming could be a bigger mistake and impact on his
legacy than his invasion of Iraq.

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:50:56 -0800, Ted Waldron
wrote:

In article
,
Clarencedarrow wrote:

I don't ever recall EVER bringing up Bush. He didn't even enter my
conversation.


Bush is much more of the player in the global warming issue than Gore
can ever be. The US is the largest producer of greenhouses gases, and
the Bush Administration could actually put in place strict limits of
production of greenhouse gases, besides agreeing and ratifying the
Kyoto Accord.

Instead for almost seven years, they have been blocking and impeding
global warming initiatives, or getting former lawyers of the petroleum
industry be in charge of administration white papers on global warming
Policy, or suppressing certain gov't scientific studies on global
warming. The Bush Administration went all out to sabotage the recent
Montreal Conference on Global Warming.

This isn't just a Bush Administration problem, it is an American
problem, and sooner than later, there has to be some tough action and
choices by the US Federal Gov't to curtail greenhouse gas emissions, and
ratify the Kyoto Accords.

Whether Al Gore is an private jet using energy hog or not, Bush is in
control of US gov't initiatives and policy to Global Warming. His
inaction to global warming could be a bigger mistake and impact on his
legacy than his invasion of Iraq.


Kyoto will expire soon. The next round and the role of the US in it
will be very telling. Negotions are underway.....

Dave M

In article ,
DaveM wrote:

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:50:56 -0800, Ted Waldron
wrote:

In article
,
Clarencedarrow wrote:

I don't ever recall EVER bringing up Bush. He didn't even enter my
conversation.


Bush is much more of the player in the global warming issue than Gore
can ever be. The US is the largest producer of greenhouses gases, and
the Bush Administration could actually put in place strict limits of
production of greenhouse gases, besides agreeing and ratifying the
Kyoto Accord.

Instead for almost seven years, they have been blocking and impeding
global warming initiatives, or getting former lawyers of the petroleum
industry be in charge of administration white papers on global warming
Policy, or suppressing certain gov't scientific studies on global
warming. The Bush Administration went all out to sabotage the recent
Montreal Conference on Global Warming.

This isn't just a Bush Administration problem, it is an American
problem, and sooner than later, there has to be some tough action and
choices by the US Federal Gov't to curtail greenhouse gas emissions, and
ratify the Kyoto Accords.

Whether Al Gore is an private jet using energy hog or not, Bush is in
control of US gov't initiatives and policy to Global Warming. His
inaction to global warming could be a bigger mistake and impact on his
legacy than his invasion of Iraq.


Kyoto will expire soon. The next round and the role of the US in it
will be very telling. Negotions are underway.....

Kyoto protocols will expire in 2012, and the Montreal round was just
trying to extend the length of the Kyoto Accords. Any new framework
will have the same goals for each country to reduce greenhouse gas
emissions as what was the Kyoto Accord's main goal However the US, no
matter what administration is charge will try to change the per capita
framework of Kyoto, given that China may now have the largest emissions
of greenhouse gas emissions, The US delegates will try to change it to
make it more palatable for Senate passage.

The US cannot continue with its stalling or trying to throw wrenches
in these global conferences, they are going to **** off some powerful
interest, whether World opinion, the Energy Companies, Coal Burning
Power Companies, etc. They are delaying the inevitable, which they
should had address issue back in 1998-2001.

On Nov 28, 10:23 am, Kurt Knisely wrote:
pigo wrote in news:31a0511c-3793-4030-94e3-
:

If all you retards that think global warming is man made just walk
everywhere and don't have any kids you'll at least live up to the hype
you lay on the rest of us.

What proof do you have humans are not exasperating global warming? From
the graphs I've seen, the dy/dx is increasing faster than anyone can find
in the past (not to say it hasn't happened before and all we need is a good
volcano to rupture for a year or so and we could get some cooling).

Cold now though, we need some moisture. A few inches here and there isn't
going to do much for the snowpack or rockpack.

-K

I don't have proof. But then I'm not the one claiming it as fact. I'll
leave it for them to prove. So far, no luck.

All the evidence that I've seen shows human influence to be tiny
compared to other stuff.

In local situations there are things that can be done as evidenced by
the improvement in the air quality in LA since I grew up there in the
60's. But in general this "global warming" thing looks to me like a
golden goose for the like of Al Gore and his crowd. Thay do more to
contribute to their pipe dream than they do to sacrifice to contribute
to it's solution.

On Nov 28, 12:09 pm, Clarencedarrow
wrote:
On Nov 28, 12:23 pm, Kurt Knisely wrote:
snip

I'm going to play devil's advocate here. If it was such a crisis then
why 1.) Does Al Gore have a multi-million dollar beach house at Figure
Eight Island in NC. It is a barrier island that has been hard hit in
past years by hurricanes. Even a 1 ft increase in sea level would cost
millions in property damage.
2.) Why did Al Gore spend $30,000 on personal energy on his Nashville
home last year? 3.) Does Al Gore possess a commercial airline
schedule? 4.) How much money has he made off of Global Warming - even
that so-called charity he claims to be giving his Nobel Peace Prize
(goodness me right up there with Arafat, Annan, Jimmah etc.) to is a
organization he started and heads up - look it up - can you spell tax
write-off? 4.) How can any so-called energy treaty not include China
and India since they are the most populous countries on the planet -
it's ludicrous and can't even be argued as being a legitimate start.
5.) Al Gore was just invited to join a Venture Capital partnership as
a lobbyist in order to influence govt spending priorities - at stake
billions (his stake is enormous). 5.) Al Gore was a mediocre student
at best and in the sciences he had a cumulative C- in three bathtub
courses. He also dropped out/flunked of graduate school. I know, I was
there. 6.) He is a proven liar - Internet? Chinese political
donations? Mt. Kilamanjaro glaciers have not shrunk due to global
warming - the temps have been well below freezing for years - answer -
evaporation - lower precipitation.

Inquiring minds want to know - can you say CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

There are, finally, more educated scientists every day that are
disputing his so-called "facts". His so-called consensus contains many
more non-scientists than scientists (I even think Tipper's hairdresser
is on the list). He even includes names of those who think it's all a
lie. The meteorologist who is the Hurricane Specialist at Colorado
State calls Gore's campaign a scam. The meteorologist that started the
Weather Channel calls it a huge scam. Many of the scientists on the
IPCC say Gore's positions are ridiculous. The dissension is growing by
the day and not from petroleum whores. I've seen Gore's Ice core
presentation shredded by "Real" Climatologists. They have stated that
the ice cores show that CO2 increases have occurred AFTER past warming
episodes.

Having said all of this the lessons to be learned a

1.) Al Gore is a massive liar and will sell you down the river in a
nanosecond. He doesn't care if you can support your family or not.
2.) Be extraordinarily careful when people start claiming a
"consensus". I would you suggest you read "Extraordinary Delusions and
the Madness of Crowds". It was written in the 1850's and provides
marvelous insight into "mob" i.e consensus mentality. And it still
holds true today - look at the ongoing "subprime mortgage" disaster.
3.) The GREAT scientists were the mavericks those who shunned the
consensus. At one point, the earth was the center of the universe, the
world was flat and infectious disease was caused by night vapors (mid-
nineteenth century). I've seen demonstrations about flexible composite
body armor dating back to the ancient greeks. From what I've seen, man
has no more insight into his place in the universe than he did 2500
years ago. 99.9% of people cannot comprehend time in a geologic or
cosmic time frame.
4.) If it doesn't smell right - remember statistics can prove anything
- even NASA has gone back and revised the numbers - The hottest decade
in the 20th century is now claimed to be the 1930's not the 1990's.
5.) NASA scientists have also stated within the last two weeks that
ocean current in the Arctic has been responsibile for ice shrinkage -
it is beginning to reverse itself. I don't know how old you are but in
the 1970's the media was freaked about a impending ice age. 80-90's
Ozone - it's going back to normal when the media claimed that it was
man made and we would all suffer radiation poisoning for decades.
6.) The media is so totally biased and stupid that you cannot believe
anything they say. By all counts it is the lowest-regarded profession
- **** I even think drug-dealers have a higher rating.
7.) If CO2 Global Warming is occurring, then why hasn't anyone even
APPROACHED the REAL SOURCE of the problem - 6-7 billion poeple on the
planet and growing. All of the rest of this **** doesn't mean doodly
squat if population growth isn't stopped cold. More people = more CO2
- no way 'round it. My Peterbilt isn't going to make a bit of
difference. How serious is the UN about Warming when they just want
to redistribute $86 billion with no controls on population?

My recommendations a

1.) Do your own research - don't buy any one person's tirade (ahem )
2.) Conserve - it only makes economic sense.
3.) Relax - The Earth has enormous ability to correct imbalances -
there have been unbelievable events in the past so beyond our ability
to comprehend or correct.
4.) We're all going to die at some point despite what the media says -
Bugs Bunny once said - "Don't take life too seriously because no one
gets out of it alive".
5.) For what it's worth, it seems warmer to me but some how I think
it's related to that big yellow thing in the sky. Miniscule orbital
variations can wreak havoc on climate.

On Nov 28, 10:53 am, Walt wrote:

Not that logic, facts, or analysis will make a damn bit of difference to
the dittoheads. Some people are just not worth arguing with.

Yep.

On Nov 28, 12:15 pm, Clarencedarrow
wrote:
On Nov 28, 1:48 pm, lal_truckee wrote: pigo wrote:
How the **** am I supposed to get my boat to the reservoir with a
hybrid.

trailer hitch?
you do recognize that an electric motor has (much) better torque than
your piston motor, particularly when first starting up the ramp upon
haulout?

Well, that's true. All one has to do is look at a locomotive - the
actual traction motors are electric.

And do they make one for hauling trailers? The post was about hybrids.
My mistake for not including every other possibility in the world I
guess.

Ever notice how the GW crowd is the last to make lifestyle changes
that they advocate for everyone else?

"pigo" wrote in message news:c33411b4-6278-4027-995b-
Well, that's true. All one has to do is look at a locomotive - the
actual traction motors are electric.

And do they make one for hauling trailers? The post was about hybrids.
My mistake for not including every other possibility in the world I
guess.

Ever notice how the GW crowd is the last to make lifestyle changes
that they advocate for everyone else?

No, I never noticed that. In fact, I've noticed the exact opposite. I know
plenty of people adjusting their own lifestyle to deal with the problem.

Bob

Clarencedarrow wrote:

On Nov 28, 12:23 pm, Kurt Knisely wrote:
snip

I'm going to play devil's advocate here. If it was such a crisis then
why 1.) Does Al Gore have a multi-million dollar beach house at Figure
Eight Island in NC. It is a barrier island that has been hard hit in
past years by hurricanes. Even a 1 ft increase in sea level would cost
millions in property damage.

Subsidized flood insurance. Another benefit brought to us by our beneficent
government.

2.) Why did Al Gore spend $30,000 on personal energy on his Nashville
home last year?

You ever been in Nashville in the summer? 'Nuff said.

3.) Does Al Gore possess a commercial airline schedule?

Why should he bother? I'm sure there are plenty of grateful supporters happy
and eager to fly him to wherever he wants to go.

4.) How much money has he made off of Global Warming -

All of it.

even
that so-called charity he claims to be giving his Nobel Peace Prize
(goodness me right up there with Arafat, Annan, Jimmah etc.) to is a
organization he started and heads up - look it up - can you spell tax
write-off?

No need to, he has accountants to do that sort of thing.

4.) How can any so-called energy treaty not include China
and India since they are the most populous countries on the planet -
it's ludicrous and can't even be argued as being a legitimate start.

Easy. Just shut your eyes, stick your fingers in your ears and say
LALALALALALA loudly.

5.) Al Gore was just invited to join a Venture Capital partnership as
a lobbyist in order to influence govt spending priorities - at stake
billions (his stake is enormous).

I thought that was the normal career path for retired politicians. What did
I miss?

5.) Al Gore was a mediocre student
at best and in the sciences he had a cumulative C- in three bathtub
courses. He also dropped out/flunked of graduate school. I know, I was
there.

You might want to revisit your numbering scheme. Not that I would ever
nitpick...

6.) He is a proven liar - Internet? Chinese political
donations? Mt. Kilamanjaro glaciers have not shrunk due to global
warming - the temps have been well below freezing for years - answer -
evaporation - lower precipitation.

Apparently there has also been a problem with the locals cutting down the
trees at the base of the mountain.

Inquiring minds want to know - can you say CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

There are, finally, more educated scientists every day that are
disputing his so-called "facts". His so-called consensus contains many
more non-scientists than scientists (I even think Tipper's hairdresser
is on the list). He even includes names of those who think it's all a
lie. The meteorologist who is the Hurricane Specialist at Colorado
State calls Gore's campaign a scam. The meteorologist that started the
Weather Channel calls it a huge scam. Many of the scientists on the
IPCC say Gore's positions are ridiculous. The dissension is growing by
the day and not from petroleum whores. I've seen Gore's Ice core
presentation shredded by "Real" Climatologists. They have stated that
the ice cores show that CO2 increases have occurred AFTER past warming
episodes.

Dig out the actual referenced data. Gore lies about it.

Having said all of this the lessons to be learned a

1.) Al Gore is a massive liar and will sell you down the river in a
nanosecond. He doesn't care if you can support your family or not.
2.) Be extraordinarily careful when people start claiming a
"consensus". I would you suggest you read "Extraordinary Delusions and
the Madness of Crowds". It was written in the 1850's and provides
marvelous insight into "mob" i.e consensus mentality. And it still
holds true today - look at the ongoing "subprime mortgage" disaster.

Hey, just you wait, the price of those tulip bulbs I have in the root cellar
will go back up...

"Extraordinary POPULAR Delusions..." "An enterprise nobody to know what it
is..."

3.) The GREAT scientists were the mavericks those who shunned the
consensus. At one point, the earth was the center of the universe, the
world was flat and infectious disease was caused by night vapors (mid-
nineteenth century). I've seen demonstrations about flexible composite
body armor dating back to the ancient greeks. From what I've seen, man
has no more insight into his place in the universe than he did 2500
years ago. 99.9% of people cannot comprehend time in a geologic or
cosmic time frame.

My guess would be 100%. TV commercials are about as close to geologic time
as we can get...

4.) If it doesn't smell right - remember statistics can prove anything
- even NASA has gone back and revised the numbers - The hottest decade
in the 20th century is now claimed to be the 1930's not the 1990's.

"Yeah, but why should we believe the people that lost all those spacecraft?"

5.) NASA scientists have also stated within the last two weeks that
ocean current in the Arctic has been responsibile for ice shrinkage -
it is beginning to reverse itself. I don't know how old you are but in
the 1970's the media was freaked about a impending ice age. 80-90's
Ozone - it's going back to normal when the media claimed that it was
man made and we would all suffer radiation poisoning for decades.
6.) The media is so totally biased and stupid that you cannot believe
anything they say. By all counts it is the lowest-regarded profession
- **** I even think drug-dealers have a higher rating.

Tossup between them and inner-city public schoolteachers. Suburban teachers
are only a whit higher -- their elevation in rank is due only to their being
smart enough to keep out of the inner city.

7.) If CO2 Global Warming is occurring, then why hasn't anyone even
APPROACHED the REAL SOURCE of the problem - 6-7 billion poeple on the
planet and growing. All of the rest of this **** doesn't mean doodly
squat if population growth isn't stopped cold. More people = more CO2
- no way 'round it. My Peterbilt isn't going to make a bit of
difference.

You bought the Pilgrimage too? Kewl!

How serious is the UN about Warming when they just want
to redistribute $86 billion with no controls on population?

If third-world people could afford the internet maybe they wouldn't have so
many children. If those rich Nigerian widows have to ask total strangers to
help them with their financial difficulties thet obviously don't have any
children to look out for their interests.

My recommendations a

1.) Do your own research - don't buy any one person's tirade (ahem )
2.) Conserve - it only makes economic sense.
3.) Relax - The Earth has enormous ability to correct imbalances -
there have been unbelievable events in the past so beyond our ability
to comprehend or correct.
4.) We're all going to die at some point despite what the media says -
Bugs Bunny once said - "Don't take life too seriously because no one
gets out of it alive".
5.) For what it's worth, it seems warmer to me but some how I think
it's related to that big yellow thing in the sky. Miniscule orbital
variations can wreak havoc on climate.

PS:
I will have to state my bias here. I was a science undergrad (senior)
when Al started grad school. I detest the ****er - he's never earned a
goddamn thing - silver spoon - father was senior Senator from
Tennessee (a lying scheming SOB - major league asshole). Al Jr. was an
unfocused pothead. The last math course he ever took was in high
school.

I was an English major, but I think he's a jerk too.

--
Cheers,
Bev
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"We've got some stupid people out there. This morning, I woke
up in a bathtub filled with ice and I had an extra kidney."