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Waxless Fischer country crown grip
I am skiing with 200cm Fischer waxless country crown skis
and weigh 152lbs. On Dec 8 I was skiing Hubbard hill in New Hampsire and my skis climbed well. The temperature was 30 deg F. On Dec. 16 I skied the Kilburn Pond loop and the skis gave little or no grip leading me to take them off and walk some of the steeper portions of the trail. The temperture was 22 deg F that day with 8 to 10 inches of powder snow. What can I do to make these skis climb better? Is the poor grip a chacteristic of this ski? The grip pattern is cut into the base of the ski. Can you put grip wax on this ski and not spoil the waxless grip when the temp gets to 32? George in New Hampshire |
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Waxless Fischer country crown grip
On Dec 17, 9:16 am, Novice Skier wrote:
I am skiing with 200cm Fischer waxless country crown skis and weigh 152lbs. On Dec 8 I was skiing Hubbard hill in New Hampsire and my skis climbed well. The temperature was 30 deg F. On Dec. 16 I skied the Kilburn Pond loop and the skis gave little or no grip leading me to take them off and walk some of the steeper portions of the trail. The temperture was 22 deg F that day with 8 to 10 inches of powder snow. What can I do to make these skis climb better? Is the poor grip a chacteristic of this ski? The grip pattern is cut into the base of the ski. Can you put grip wax on this ski and not spoil the waxless grip when the temp gets to 32? George in New Hampshire When you are climbing a hill, at some point the hill will get steep enough that your grip zone will be insufficient to provide traction. At that point you have to dig in your inside edges and herringbone up the hill. Jonathan in New Hampshire |
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Waxless Fischer country crown grip
Novice Skier wrote:
I am skiing with 200cm Fischer waxless country crown skis and weigh 152lbs. On Dec 8 I was skiing Hubbard hill in New Hampsire and my skis climbed well. The temperature was 30 deg F. On Dec. 16 I skied the Kilburn Pond loop and the skis gave little or no grip leading me to take them off and walk some of the steeper portions of the trail. The temperture was 22 deg F that day with 8 to 10 inches of powder snow. What can I do to make these skis climb better? Is the poor grip a chacteristic of this ski? The grip pattern is cut into the base of the ski. Can you put grip wax on this ski and not spoil the waxless grip when the temp gets to 32? George in New Hampshire The grip pattern is for stride and glide. Its not a climbing aid. The title word waxless is a misnomer any way. The whole essence of our skiing is the glide and you must put glide wax before the grip pattern and behind it. Yes you can put the grip wax of the day on the grip pattern but its to aid that kick and glide action, plus its fiddly to remove later. My Fischer country crowns were great for the younger lighter me but now my heavier weight causes the grip pattern to drag somewhat, so I put glide wax on the sloping part. Thats fiddly too, but I've got the time and the patience to experiment. Mike |
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Waxless Fischer country crown grip
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Novice Skier wrote: On Dec. 16 I skied the Kilburn Pond loop and the skis gave little or no grip leading me to take them off and walk some of the steeper portions of the trail. The temperture was 22 deg F that day with 8 to 10 inches of powder snow. Waxless skis have trouble in new light cold snow and hard icy snow. In general the easier it is to make a snow ball the better they work. If you're doing most of your skiing in cold dry snow, waxing is well worth the time and trouble. What can I do to make these skis climb better? Oddly enough, glide waxing the WHOLE ski with something like Swix F4 or a universal paste wax, will not only make it faster, but also improve the climbing ability. However, there are some conditions where waxless skis just don't do well and vice versa. (ie. waxless skis are at their best when waxing is really difficult i.e. near 32deg F). Is the poor grip a chacteristic of this ski? The grip pattern is cut into the base of the ski. Negative patterns tend to be the poorest climbers of the various waxless bases, but they are also the fastest. The other advantage is that you can easily kick wax them in difficult for waxless conditions. Can you put grip wax on this ski and not spoil the waxless grip when the temp gets to 32? Yes, it's best to apply the kick wax in thin smooth layers and cleaning the ski can be a PITA. Colder kick waxes generally glide just fine in warmer snow as long as the wax is applied smoothly enough. _ Booker C. Bense |
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Waxless Fischer country crown grip
On Dec 17, 3:16 pm, Novice Skier wrote:
I am skiing with 200cm Fischer waxless country crown skis and weigh 152lbs. On Dec 8 I was skiing Hubbard hill in New Hampsire and my skis climbed well. The temperature was 30 deg F. On Dec. 16 I skied the Kilburn Pond loop and the skis gave little or no grip leading me to take them off and walk some of the steeper portions of the trail. The temperture was 22 deg F that day with 8 to 10 inches of powder snow. What can I do to make these skis climb better? Is the poor grip a chacteristic of this ski? The grip pattern is cut into the base of the ski. Can you put grip wax on this ski and not spoil the waxless grip when the temp gets to 32? George in New Hampshire I have never used waxless skis, so I'm not really qualified to make any comparisons, but dealing with wax isn't that hard. And wax gives a wider total range of usable conditions. Like anything, it can be taken to an extreme and become a subtle artform indistinguishable from magic, but for normal use, all you need is 2-3 different waxes. Just look at the temp, rub the one that makes sense on and go. In 0C conditions, no wax and a herringbone pattern in the sole with sandpaper works well enough. Joseph |
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Waxless Fischer country crown grip
OK here's the deal with Fischer crown bases, A couple of years ago I was
trying out waxless skis at a demo day for NorCal retailers at the gouge..err I mean Royal Gorge and found that when I tried to short cut thru some 8 inch powder sectionsto another groomed track loop, I was hardly getting any grip. Then when I took out a similar purpose Rossi it worked much better in the same situation even the Rossi base had a supposedly an inferior extruded p-tex that has a positive (raised) pattern that looks kind of similar to the old fishscales use by the now defunct Trak skis. Our Rossignol rep to this day still claims at our pre-season store staff clinics that their waxless pattern can't be beat in loose unconsolidated snow. And no I've never told him about my experience on that demo day. However there is no doubt that Fischer uses a higher quality sintered base which can be saturated with hot glide wax on the tips/tails and whose negative pattern will keep its original sharpness much longer on icy abrasive snow over numerous seasons, so if you ski most of the time on well groomed tracks your crown grip should be fine. Go pick up a used Rossi at a ski swap if you want to have alternative. "Novice Skier" wrote in message ... I am skiing with 200cm Fischer waxless country crown skis and weigh 152lbs. On Dec 8 I was skiing Hubbard hill in New Hampsire and my skis climbed well. The temperature was 30 deg F. On Dec. 16 I skied the Kilburn Pond loop and the skis gave little or no grip leading me to take them off and walk some of the steeper portions of the trail. The temperture was 22 deg F that day with 8 to 10 inches of powder snow. What can I do to make these skis climb better? Is the poor grip a chacteristic of this ski? The grip pattern is cut into the base of the ski. Can you put grip wax on this ski and not spoil the waxless grip when the temp gets to 32? George in New Hampshire |
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