Teleboarding

On May 5, 7:49 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message
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On May 4, 6:44 am, "Stuart" wrote:
wrote:
Let's see how many real skiers remain,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg8o6CPClZk
moguls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y
Trees

You gappers need not reply unless you want to expose your little
knowledge.

Have fun,
IS

You are really only getting 10% of the skis performance capacity by
skiing
on the flat surface of the ski(s). Because the botton edge is bevelled up
and the side edge angulated in, the ski is designed to maximize its
turning
capabilities up on edge. The skier's centre of mass thus must transfer to
the inside of the turns, maintaining a dynamic stability of inclination,
angulation using centrifugal and centripedal forces, much like the riders
of
racing motorcycles do in their turns.

Yes, flatboarding may lose some of the ski performance of turning to
carving, but it makes up with a straighter line--thus remains fast--
and skiing is more stable with the flat base. And teleboarding
exemplifies these traits more vividly.

This particular skier's centre of mass seems very close to the ski
itself,
although it is one level up from the very wide base of support of the
snowplow skier, from a technical standpoint, it is not advanced use of
the
ski in the physical performance sense.
However, the skier may in fact be touting the more etheral and meditative
non-aggressive aspects of his pastime due to its smoothness, lower energy
expenditures and very relaxed technique.

That's correct, not everyone wants to ski the "fast," "steepest," or
"extreme," blah, blah, blah. The art of skiing is how to perfectly
balance that centripetal force and centrifugal force and gravity so to
enjoy an uninterrupted descent, interesting lines, and the ethereal
body movements, etc., imo.

Teleboarding is not for difficult/steep terrain in general, (though
there are clips showing people do tricks and ski moguls stuff on
youtube,) but on some groomed runs, slated slopes, and minor moguls/
bumps, or where a "full turn" is not needed, teleboarding, without
full-blown "cross-over," may be a more efficient technique and energy
saving than regular parallel skiing.

What makes teleboarding techniques interesting is, as all teleing, it
seeks a longitudinal stability, that's why the loose heel and low
stance.


IS

I like it because it resembles the medium speed sideslipping and pivot drill
I like to do..

Yup, though I don't pivot the skis much nowadays, but I'm a
sideslipping fan too; I begin with teaching sideslipping when I teach
beginners parallel skiing .

Having said that, what I am working on is a very relaxed, motionless,
dynamic balance in phase 111 of my higher speed steered turns. In other
words, using the ski's energy instead of mine to make more aggressive turns.

Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through"
transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed,
motionless, and dynamic balanced,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU

And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either,
hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle;
I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing,
the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much.
Maybe we are talking about the same thing.

'later,
IS

"taichiskiing" wrote in message
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On May 5, 7:49 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message
...
On May 4, 6:44 am, "Stuart" wrote:
wrote:
Let's see how many real skiers remain,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg8o6CPClZk
moguls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y
Trees

You gappers need not reply unless you want to expose your little
knowledge.

Have fun,
IS

You are really only getting 10% of the skis performance capacity by
skiing
on the flat surface of the ski(s). Because the botton edge is bevelled
up
and the side edge angulated in, the ski is designed to maximize its
turning
capabilities up on edge. The skier's centre of mass thus must transfer
to
the inside of the turns, maintaining a dynamic stability of
inclination,
angulation using centrifugal and centripedal forces, much like the
riders
of
racing motorcycles do in their turns.

Yes, flatboarding may lose some of the ski performance of turning to
carving, but it makes up with a straighter line--thus remains fast--
and skiing is more stable with the flat base. And teleboarding
exemplifies these traits more vividly.

This particular skier's centre of mass seems very close to the ski
itself,
although it is one level up from the very wide base of support of the
snowplow skier, from a technical standpoint, it is not advanced use of
the
ski in the physical performance sense.
However, the skier may in fact be touting the more etheral and
meditative
non-aggressive aspects of his pastime due to its smoothness, lower
energy
expenditures and very relaxed technique.

That's correct, not everyone wants to ski the "fast," "steepest," or
"extreme," blah, blah, blah. The art of skiing is how to perfectly
balance that centripetal force and centrifugal force and gravity so to
enjoy an uninterrupted descent, interesting lines, and the ethereal
body movements, etc., imo.

Teleboarding is not for difficult/steep terrain in general, (though
there are clips showing people do tricks and ski moguls stuff on
youtube,) but on some groomed runs, slated slopes, and minor moguls/
bumps, or where a "full turn" is not needed, teleboarding, without
full-blown "cross-over," may be a more efficient technique and energy
saving than regular parallel skiing.

What makes teleboarding techniques interesting is, as all teleing, it
seeks a longitudinal stability, that's why the loose heel and low
stance.


IS

I like it because it resembles the medium speed sideslipping and pivot
drill
I like to do..

Yup, though I don't pivot the skis much nowadays, but I'm a
sideslipping fan too; I begin with teaching sideslipping when I teach
beginners parallel skiing .

Having said that, what I am working on is a very relaxed, motionless,
dynamic balance in phase 111 of my higher speed steered turns. In other
words, using the ski's energy instead of mine to make more aggressive
turns.

Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through"
transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed,
motionless, and dynamic balanced,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU

And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either,
hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle;
I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing,
the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much.
Maybe we are talking about the same thing.

'later,
IS

Phase 111 is defined as that portion of the turn from facing directly down
the fall line to completion. The energy builds in phase 111, the ski gets
loaded like a jet fighter in a turn. The directional unloading of the energy
can assist the skier into the next turn's unweighting and change of
direction.
Somehow a skier needs to get the weight from one side of the centre to the
other. In your skiing your centre of mass is shifting a mere inch or so, in
my skiing it would shift 3-4 feet.
You have to be doing some degree of pivoting in order to change direction,
even if it is very subtle. You probably incorporate it into your skiing you
don't really notice it, it is that smooth, perhaps just a very small "flick"
of some leg or foot muscles, or even as subtle as some pressure using you
feet and lower legs, or maybe even you hip joints.

I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a
meditation nut interested in the spiritual

On May 6, 7:35*am, "Stuart" wrote:

I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a
meditation nut interested in the spiritual

Maybe you'll be able to make some headway with toecheese then? He
likes to pose as those things.

"pigo" wrote in message
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On May 6, 7:35 am, "Stuart" wrote:

I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a
meditation nut interested in the spiritual

Maybe you'll be able to make some headway with toecheese then? He
likes to pose as those things.


One of the hallmarks of any great teacher is humility, and the willingness
to always remain a student

Stuart wrote:
"pigo" wrote in message
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On May 6, 7:35 am, "Stuart" wrote:

I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as
a meditation nut interested in the spiritual

Maybe you'll be able to make some headway with toecheese then? He
likes to pose as those things.


One of the hallmarks of any great teacher is humility, and the
willingness to always remain a student

Like this??

"
Let's see how many real skiers remain,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg8o6CPClZk
moguls

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-HnaOGRM1Y
Trees

You gappers need not reply unless you want to expose your little
knowledge.

Have fun,
IS
"

On May 6, 6:35 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message
...

Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through"
transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed,
motionless, and dynamic balanced,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU

And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either,
hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle;
I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing,
the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much.
Maybe we are talking about the same thing.

'later,
IS

Phase 111 is defined as that portion of the turn from facing directly down
the fall line to completion. The energy builds in phase 111, the ski gets
loaded like a jet fighter in a turn. The directional unloading of the energy
can assist the skier into the next turn's unweighting and change of
direction.

Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that
technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I
flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution)
on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the
fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do
line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of-
traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase
II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or
parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III,
but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these
terminologies straighten out one day.

Somehow a skier needs to get the weight from one side of the centre to the
other. In your skiing your centre of mass is shifting a mere inch or so, in
my skiing it would shift 3-4 feet.

Line-skiing changes directions by changing the "turn shape" (the
curvature of the turn) and "turn shape" is always changed when weight
distribution is changed, as skis are really controlled and moved by
weight/pressure on them, so in line-skiing I can change directions
merely by shifting the weight a few inches, or more, depending how's
the turn goes. As regarding to shifting weight, or weight transfer, no
exercises do a better job than Taichi, more later.

You have to be doing some degree of pivoting in order to change direction,
even if it is very subtle.

Not really, I do distinguish "pivoting" and "steering" differently,
where "pivoting" is physically rotating the skis to change the skis'
direction to change the direction of traveling, and "steering" is to
increase the pressure on the skis to increase centripetal force to
cause the skis changing direction. So, on some tight spot with lower
speeds, pivoting may save the runs, but at higher speeds, steering is
better and can be done without pivoting.

You probably incorporate it into your skiing you
don't really notice it, it is that smooth, perhaps just a very small "flick"
of some leg or foot muscles, or even as subtle as some pressure using you
feet and lower legs, or maybe even you hip joints.

The "Way" of Taichi, in terms of body movements, is to use Qi/pressure
to move the joints to move the muscles, and straightens the joints to
exert force and bends/flexes the joints to reduce the force of the
exertion. As our bodies reflect the hydraulic rigidity, the pressure
on the skis can be maintained and changed internally by how we
straighten and/or flex our joints, especially on the spine and lower
limbs. In some smooth conditions only internal pressure changes,
that's why sometimes Taichi Skiing is look so subtle from the
outside.

I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a
meditation nut interested in the spiritual

As a part of my Kungfu/martial art practice, I also practice
Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Kungfu Tui-Na (deep tissue
massages and joint manipulations). Given that you're "a chiropractor
as well as a meditation nut" background, I do seriously suggest that
you give Taichi a look, though I do realize that a good, competent
Taichi teacher is hard to come by.

Good luck,
IS

"taichiskiing" wrote in message
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On May 6, 6:35 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message
...

Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through"
transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed,
motionless, and dynamic balanced,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU

And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either,
hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle;
I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing,
the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much.
Maybe we are talking about the same thing.

'later,
IS

Phase 111 is defined as that portion of the turn from facing directly
down
the fall line to completion. The energy builds in phase 111, the ski gets
loaded like a jet fighter in a turn. The directional unloading of the
energy
can assist the skier into the next turn's unweighting and change of
direction.

Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that
technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I
flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution)
on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the
fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do
line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of-
traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase
II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or
parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III,
but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these
terminologies straighten out one day.




"We" already have the terminologies straight and have so for many years. The
fall line is an imaginary line a ball would roll down a hill.

Phase 1 is the initiation of a turn. In other words, all the things a skier
will do with his COM and BOS to start a turn say to the left.
Phase 11 begins when edging begins and the skier starts to actually "turn".
Phase 111 begins when the skiers direction of travel points directly down
the fall line and ends when skier stops turning.
Phase 1 is the initiation of the next turn.

Somehow a skier needs to get the weight from one side of the centre to
the
other. In your skiing your centre of mass is shifting a mere inch or so,
in
my skiing it would shift 3-4 feet.

Line-skiing changes directions by changing the "turn shape" (the
curvature of the turn) and "turn shape" is always changed when weight
distribution is changed, as skis are really controlled and moved by
weight/pressure on them, so in line-skiing I can change directions
merely by shifting the weight a few inches, or more, depending how's
the turn goes. As regarding to shifting weight, or weight transfer, no
exercises do a better job than Taichi, more later.

You have to be doing some degree of pivoting in order to change
direction,
even if it is very subtle.

Not really, I do distinguish "pivoting" and "steering" differently,
where "pivoting" is physically rotating the skis to change the skis'
direction to change the direction of traveling, and "steering" is to
increase the pressure on the skis to increase centripetal force to
cause the skis changing direction. So, on some tight spot with lower
speeds, pivoting may save the runs, but at higher speeds, steering is
better and can be done without pivoting.

You probably incorporate it into your skiing you
don't really notice it, it is that smooth, perhaps just a very small
"flick"
of some leg or foot muscles, or even as subtle as some pressure using you
feet and lower legs, or maybe even you hip joints.

The "Way" of Taichi, in terms of body movements, is to use Qi/pressure
to move the joints to move the muscles, and straightens the joints to
exert force and bends/flexes the joints to reduce the force of the
exertion. As our bodies reflect the hydraulic rigidity, the pressure
on the skis can be maintained and changed internally by how we
straighten and/or flex our joints, especially on the spine and lower
limbs. In some smooth conditions only internal pressure changes,
that's why sometimes Taichi Skiing is look so subtle from the
outside.

I am an instructor a biomechanical guy and a chiropractor as well as a
meditation nut interested in the spiritual

As a part of my Kungfu/martial art practice, I also practice
Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) and Kungfu Tui-Na (deep tissue
massages and joint manipulations). Given that you're "a chiropractor
as well as a meditation nut" background, I do seriously suggest that
you give Taichi a look, though I do realize that a good, competent
Taichi teacher is hard to come by.

Good luck,
IS

In article , "Stuart"
wrote:


"taichiskiing" wrote in message
...
On May 6, 6:35 am, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message
...

Not sure what "phase 111" looks like, I mostly use "cross-through"
transition in my high speed maneuvers, which is also very relaxed,
motionless, and dynamic balanced,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_bQ9f_OrU

And I'm not sure what "ski's energy" you are talking about either,
hopefully not the "re-bound," which, imo, is pretty tedious to handle;
I use skis to move my momentum, so I "ride" the skis. In line-skiing,
the line turns, (but riding on the skis,) the skier doesn't turn much.
Maybe we are talking about the same thing.

'later,
IS

Phase 111 is defined as that portion of the turn from facing directly
down
the fall line to completion. The energy builds in phase 111, the ski gets
loaded like a jet fighter in a turn. The directional unloading of the
energy
can assist the skier into the next turn's unweighting and change of
direction.

Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that
technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I
flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution)
on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the
fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do
line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of-
traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase
II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or
parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III,
but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these
terminologies straighten out one day.




"We" already have the terminologies straight and have so for many years. The
fall line is an imaginary line a ball would roll down a hill.

Stuart,

Taichi... well, he's a netkook who revels in misusing words, changing
their meaning and creating new terms for things that already have names.
If you let him, he will waste a fair a mount of your time.

That is certainly your prerogative, butou may want to take a quick look
at his previous threads and discussions before devoting too much time to
him.

HTH, YMMV, offer valid at participating Red Lobsters only.

On May 6, 4:57 pm, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message
...

Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that
technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I
flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution)
on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the
fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do
line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of-
traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase
II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or
parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III,
but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these
terminologies straighten out one day.

"We" already have the terminologies straight and have so for many years. The
fall line is an imaginary line a ball would roll down a hill.

Not sure what is this "We" stuff, CSIA?, if it is not all-inclusive,
then it is a narrow and rigid idea. The definition of "fall line" is
good, but how many people can actually see the "imaginary line" to
understand what it is? I use a simpler idea of a downward path/line
with fastest speed, usually, just a line straight down the hill.

Phase 1 is the initiation of a turn. In other words, all the things a skier
will do with his COM and BOS to start a turn say to the left.
Phase 11 begins when edging begins and the skier starts to actually "turn".
Phase 111 begins when the skiers direction of travel points directly down
the fall line and ends when skier stops turning.
Phase 1 is the initiation of the next turn.

So, your turns have phase l, initiation; phase ll, turning into fall
line; and phase lll, turning out of fall line? Yup, those are pattern
of rigid "turn-skiing" alright.

However, by shifting weight (angulation) onto the left ski to turn
left, and right to turn right, "line-skiing" combines phase I & II
into one phase, and the turn is completed when the weight/control on
the opposite foot, which is ready for the next turn, so line-skiing,
skis on the fastest line for a given direction, has only two phases:
"turn" and "finished turn". And beginning turning by facing down the
fall line/fastest line first eliminates the most difficult part of
turning, your phase ll, turning into the fall line, which is all but
acceleration, and turning out of fall line/fastest line is always
deceleration, so it is easier.


IS

"taichiskiing" wrote in message
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On May 6, 4:57 pm, "Stuart" wrote:
"taichiskiing" wrote in message
...

Not sure if we are talking about the same thing, but I use that
technique on the steeps, or paddle-turns. Nevertheless, when I
flatboarding/flatskiing, I [mostly] stand 50-50 (weight distribution)
on my feet, and a "turn" is defined as when skis are parallel to the
fall-line (or when skis are parallel to the line of traveling, as I do
line-skiing) to begin (phase I), turn out of fall-line/line-of-
traveling to transit to turn into fall-line/line-of-traveling (phase
II), and end it when skis, again, facing/parallel to the fall-line or
parallel to the line-of-traveling, which you may call it phase III,
but in reality it's just back to phase I. Maybe we'll get these
terminologies straighten out one day.

"We" already have the terminologies straight and have so for many years.
The
fall line is an imaginary line a ball would roll down a hill.

Not sure what is this "We" stuff, CSIA?, if it is not all-inclusive,
then it is a narrow and rigid idea. The definition of "fall line" is
good, but how many people can actually see the "imaginary line" to
understand what it is? I use a simpler idea of a downward path/line
with fastest speed, usually, just a line straight down the hill.

Phase 1 is the initiation of a turn. In other words, all the things a
skier
will do with his COM and BOS to start a turn say to the left.
Phase 11 begins when edging begins and the skier starts to actually
"turn".
Phase 111 begins when the skiers direction of travel points directly down
the fall line and ends when skier stops turning.
Phase 1 is the initiation of the next turn.

So, your turns have phase l, initiation; phase ll, turning into fall
line; and phase lll, turning out of fall line? Yup, those are pattern
of rigid "turn-skiing" alright.

However, by shifting weight (angulation) onto the left ski to turn
left, and right to turn right, "line-skiing" combines phase I & II
into one phase, and the turn is completed when the weight/control on
the opposite foot, which is ready for the next turn, so line-skiing,
skis on the fastest line for a given direction, has only two phases:
"turn" and "finished turn". And beginning turning by facing down the
fall line/fastest line first eliminates the most difficult part of
turning, your phase ll, turning into the fall line, which is all but
acceleration, and turning out of fall line/fastest line is always
deceleration, so it is easier.


IS

The 3 turn phases are designed as a model around which all types of skiing
can be analysed and taught. You cannot disobey the laws of physics.
Something has to deflect the centre of a skiers mass in order to cause it to
change direction. Sure, you can roll two phases into one...mogul skiing
merely has a very stretched phase 11 and abbreviated phases 1and 111.
You remember your ski is narrower in the middle, just as a basic of the old
straight skis. The newer skis are also bevelled up and in on the edges.
Your skiing is highly reminiscent of turning an aircraft using the rudder
alone. Of course, it can be done and it's fun to fly that way..ie "flat"
We don't fly that way generally, we also use the ailerons to induce "bank"
so that turns will be executed without slip, or as in your turns, skid. Slip
and skid bleed energy out of the turn and can be used in ski energy
management instead of using edging to manage energy, but in flying that way,
you would be wasting fuel for one thing and also putting the airplane close
to departure stalling, in other words if you hit a nice patch of ice on a
flat ski, you fall. If you are on edge you have, well, an edge to grip.
Don't get me wrong I love your technique.. I am trying to show you the
differences with more standard "steering" forms of skiing, which include
using the skis up on their edges.