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"Let Mikey Ski It!" wrote in message ...
H. R. Bob Hofmann wrote: I'm hoping to get to Breck and Keystone the end of next week for about 9 days of skiing, first use of this seasons 3-mountain pass. The Keystone and Breck web sites are pitiful in their non-descriptions of amount of terrain and lifts that are open. I sent them (Vail Resorts) a nasty gram complaining about this, but that won't help me get accurate info in the meantime. Does anyone have a Chester Bullock-like report on Breck and/or Keystone conditions. Vail Resorts should take lessons from the A-basin web site. As of last Thursday and Friday, Breck had the Peak 9 lifts open, only. I heard that Peak 8 was to open something like the 13th. Where they have made snow, the coverage is 100% but gets scraped to icy spots in just a couple of hours. Pretty dang crowded, too. Hit it early and fast. Mike... Thanks to everyone who posted. I was afraid that things weren't too great, based on the Breck and Keystone webcamera sites. They showed a mob at 10-mile Station at Breck, and no one visible anywhere on Peak 8. Also no one comning down off peak 10 which you can just barely see in the background of the 10-mile Station camera. At Keystone, there was no one on Mozart, so I assumed that only the front mountain, or parts of it, was open. I blasted both web sites again today when I called their 800 number. If you want to give them some grief, the phone number for all of Vail resorts is 1-800-842-8062. I think you have to wait for prompt 6 to speak to a human. Tell them their web sites for Breck and Keystone need to give open trail and lift information, and for Keystone, to put up a simple trail map like the one that is on the Breck web site. Maybe if they get enough complaints they will do something before closing next Spring. Thanks again to everyone, I think I will wait until Jan 3 or so to come out based on what was posted, unless they get a couple of major dumps in the next few days. H. R.(Bob) Hofmann |
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(snoig) wrote in message . com...
(H. R. Bob Hofmann) wrote in message om... I'm hoping to get to Breck and Keystone the end of next week for about 9 days of skiing, first use of this seasons 3-mountain pass. The Keystone and Breck web sites are pitiful in their non-descriptions of amount of terrain and lifts that are open. I sent them (Vail Resorts) a nasty gram complaining about this, but that won't help me get accurate info in the meantime. Does anyone have a Chester Bullock-like report on Breck and/or Keystone conditions. Vail Resorts should take lessons from the A-basin web site. H. R.(Bob) Hofmann Well, conditions are fairly mediocre. We're supposed to get some snow in the next day or two so check back after that. I think Breck and Keystone are delibrately keeping terrian closed to get Front Rangers to go to Vail where there is more terrian open with more snow. snoig Just got back from Breck yesterday. I'll second the mediocre conditions. Peaks 8 and 9 were somewhat open. 7 and 10 had no lifts/runs open. When we left there were ~10 lifts open. On 8 & 9 most of the green, and a good portion of the blue runs were open. Only one blue-black run was open that we found and I could not find a single open black. Snow condition was good, but thin. Foliage was showing through in many spots. About half the open trails were being groomed daily. A number of the blue runs (briar rose for example) had some bumps where I didn't remember bumps from previous trips. This might be becuase of the lack of regular bump/advanced runs. My wife and I spent three days skiing and hit every open run multiple times. Temps were around 20 degree highs each day. Not bad but it was pretty windy at the tops. Crowds were not bad dispite the limited amount of open terrain. Lift lines at peak 8 were much worse than 9. I was pretty bummed about the lack of advanced terrain open, and was iching to try the new blue runs at the base of peak 7. They were not open however. -danko |
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(David Leach) wrote in message . com...
(H. R. Bob Hofmann) wrote in message . com... I blasted both web sites again today when I called their 800 number. If you want to give them some grief, the phone number for all of Vail resorts is 1-800-842-8062. I think you have to wait for prompt 6 to speak to a human. Tell them their web sites for Breck and Keystone need to give open trail and lift information, and for Keystone, to put up a simple trail map like the one that is on the Breck web site. Maybe if they get enough complaints they will do something before closing next Spring. Don't know if you've seen this Keystone site. It's hidden under the '3 mountain' link. I far prefer it to the interactive maps that many of the resorts have gone to. http://keystone.snow.com/info/trailmaps.asp David David - Thanx - Even the Keystone/Vail Resorts PR folks don't seem to know about that site and the availability of the non-interactive map. Shows what happens when a place gets too big. Bob Hofmann |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 at 17:05 GMT, danko penned:
Just got back from Breck yesterday. I'll second the mediocre conditions. Peaks 8 and 9 were somewhat open. 7 and 10 had no lifts/runs open. When we left there were ~10 lifts open. On 8 & 9 most of the green, and a good portion of the blue runs were open. Only one blue-black run was open that we found and I could not find a single open black. Snow condition was good, but thin. Foliage was showing through in many spots. About half the open trails were being groomed daily. A number of the blue runs (briar rose for example) had some bumps where I didn't remember bumps from previous trips. This might be becuase of the lack of regular bump/advanced runs. My wife and I spent three days skiing and hit every open run multiple times. Temps were around 20 degree highs each day. Not bad but it was pretty windy at the tops. Crowds were not bad dispite the limited amount of open terrain. Lift lines at peak 8 were much worse than 9. I was pretty bummed about the lack of advanced terrain open, and was iching to try the new blue runs at the base of peak 7. They were not open however. -danko Huh. I skied down Callie's Corner?, which is a short black, yesterday. It had a warning sign about exposed terrain but was open, with better snow than just about any other run. There was one tiny brown spot, but the rest was fluffy, and since it had a warning sign, it was empty. Yum! We took a lift over what looked like a nice little jump park, too. I didn't check it out, but that seems like it might have provided a little zest. Briar Rose sucked yesterday. The moguls didn't upset me, but I hit a rock just about every other turn. My s.o. saw a sign at Breck that greens and blues are groomed daily, which he took to mean that blue-blacks are "blue steepness but not necessarily groomed." Certainly the blue-blacks did not seem very challenging from a steepness perspective. Anyone have thoughts on that? -- monique |
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Monique Y. Herman wrote:
My s.o. saw a sign at Breck that greens and blues are groomed daily, which he took to mean that blue-blacks are "blue steepness but not necessarily groomed." Certainly the blue-blacks did not seem very challenging from a steepness perspective. Anyone have thoughts on that? If you want a steepness challenge at Breck, you have to go to the double diamonds. -- Chester Bullock, Ethical, custom website hosting, design and programming Tenxible Solutions, http://www.tenxible.com Web Based Autoresponder and DRIP system, http://www.toolsre.com AIM: tenxible YahooIM: ccb247 |
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danko wrote:
(snoig) wrote in message . com... Well, conditions are fairly mediocre. We're supposed to get some snow in the next day or two so check back after that. I think Breck and Keystone are delibrately keeping terrian closed to get Front Rangers to go to Vail where there is more terrian open with more snow. Just got back from Breck yesterday. I'll second the mediocre conditions. Peaks 8 and 9 were somewhat open. 7 and 10 had no lifts/runs open. When we left there were ~10 lifts open. On 8 & 9 most of the green, and a good portion of the blue runs were open. Given the limited amount of snow this year so far, they are saving the other trails for the Xmas crowds. Have to show them a good product you know, so they might come back next year. Speaking of which, good article in yesterday's Denver Post about why Colorado ski visits are down, and how it could be worse without season pass wars. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...?search=filter -- Chester Bullock, Ethical, custom website hosting, design and programming Tenxible Solutions, http://www.tenxible.com Web Based Autoresponder and DRIP system, http://www.toolsre.com AIM: tenxible YahooIM: ccb247 |
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Chester Bullock wrote:
Speaking of which, good article in yesterday's Denver Post about why Colorado ski visits are down, and how it could be worse without season pass wars. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...?search=filter What it doesn't say is that Colorado deliberately screwed themselves by approving all the hocus-pocus phony stuff around their destination resorts; once you re-define skiing as a theme park where skiing is only incidental, which they did, there's really no difference where you go. All the "Destinations" offer the same crappy "good dining" and sleigh rides and entertainment, so go where you want. If they would have focused on skiing, they might have remained the place to go for all those winter vacationers. |
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lal_truckee wrote:
Chester Bullock wrote: Speaking of which, good article in yesterday's Denver Post about why Colorado ski visits are down, and how it could be worse without season pass wars. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...?search=filter What it doesn't say is that Colorado deliberately screwed themselves by approving all the hocus-pocus phony stuff around their destination resorts; once you re-define skiing as a theme park where skiing is only incidental, which they did, there's really no difference where you go. All the "Destinations" offer the same crappy "good dining" and sleigh rides and entertainment, so go where you want. If they would have focused on skiing, they might have remained the place to go for all those winter vacationers. I think that all the other stuff they added brought more people. Which in turn became part of the problem. More people != quality. Silverton is proving you can focus on the ski experience and make a go of it. But it will take several years for other places to figure this one out. Especially the publicly traded places, which are relying on real estate sales to boost numbers. -- Chester Bullock, Ethical, custom website hosting, design and programming Tenxible Solutions, http://www.tenxible.com Web Based Autoresponder and DRIP system, http://www.toolsre.com AIM: tenxible YahooIM: ccb247 |
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On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 at 19:02 GMT, lal_truckee penned:
Chester Bullock wrote: Speaking of which, good article in yesterday's Denver Post about why Colorado ski visits are down, and how it could be worse without season pass wars. http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,...?search=filter What it doesn't say is that Colorado deliberately screwed themselves by approving all the hocus-pocus phony stuff around their destination resorts; once you re-define skiing as a theme park where skiing is only incidental, which they did, there's really no difference where you go. All the "Destinations" offer the same crappy "good dining" and sleigh rides and entertainment, so go where you want. If they would have focused on skiing, they might have remained the place to go for all those winter vacationers. Speaking of "good dining," I'm jonesing for the mac n cheese at A-Basin. I never understood all this resort hoopla. I'm there for the snow. If I've done it right, I'm too tired to go to a bar, dress up for a fancy meal, etc. Just crash early so that I'm ready for the next day ... Pretty much why I have finally dropped my Ski Magazine subscription. There's too much fluff and not enough stuff. I used to enjoy the pictures when I lived nowhere near any decent skiing, but now it's just kind of silly. -- monique |
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