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I suspect some fish stories on this thread.
Year's '97-98, I spent lots of time hanging with SierraAtTahoes ski My Outdoor Research gloves are completely waterproof. How do I know that? I filled a bucket with ice water, put the gloves on, then held them in the water for 30+ minutes. No leaks and my hands stayed warm and dry. They haven't let my hands get wet on the slopes yet. I haven't done the same test with mine, but would easily believe it. The waterproofness does come with a price - the mitts are not the most user-freidnly things around in terms of being able to work with zippers and get things out of your pockets. LeeD - try a pair. You'll see! Mike T ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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I suspect MORE fish stories, since both bad.mecha AND Mike T say they
believe their gloves are waterproof Goretex, tried some controlled experiements, but have never boarded on RAINY days with those gloves! Don't you think the SkiPatrol and the Instructors at SierraAtTahoe get given GoreTex gloves to try, demo, and buy at 40% below wholesale? And the head snowboard instructor, Paul, gets free almost everything, since he's been there for 12 years. Nope, pure theory aside, you can't say Goretex works until you try boarding a rainy day with your gloves. Then you can say what you want. I've boarded over 10 rainy days with soaking hands, all kinds of "Goretex" gloves, and none of them work all that well. Some work better than others, for sure, but maybe those days weren't as wet. How now, brown cow? I was the buyer at a snowboard shop that sold over $300,000 worth of snowboard stuff a year, so I'd get demos in all that stuff back in the late '90's. |
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I suspect MORE fish stories, since both bad.mecha AND Mike T say they
believe their gloves are waterproof Goretex, tried some controlled experiements, but have never boarded on RAINY days with those gloves! Now how do you think you know that? I *have* used them in the rain, sleet, you name it. A number of times. And my hands stayed dry. I didn't even use the "gauntlets inside" tip although I will in the future; I just cinched down the gauntlets tight over the jacket sleeves. (Not a very bulky jacket, so little room for water to get in). My face on the other hand - gets cold, moisture + speed = windchill. Take the mitts off - all bets are off. I just make sure I don't need to. It's really not that hard. Mike T ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Unrestricted-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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LeeD wrote: I suspect MORE fish stories, since both bad.mecha AND Mike T say they believe their gloves are waterproof Goretex, tried some controlled experiements, but have never boarded on RAINY days with those gloves! Don't you think the SkiPatrol and the Instructors at SierraAtTahoe get given GoreTex gloves to try, demo, and buy at 40% below wholesale? And the head snowboard instructor, Paul, gets free almost everything, since he's been there for 12 years. Nope, pure theory aside, you can't say Goretex works until you try boarding a rainy day with your gloves. Then you can say what you want. I've boarded over 10 rainy days with soaking hands, all kinds of "Goretex" gloves, and none of them work all that well. Some work better than others, for sure, but maybe those days weren't as wet. How now, brown cow? I was the buyer at a snowboard shop that sold over $300,000 worth of snowboard stuff a year, so I'd get demos in all that stuff back in the late '90's. I'm sorry I didn't specifically say that I've boarded in the rain with my gloves before. I figured that my bucket test would be enough, since they're only fully immersed in water. Apparently not, so here I'm saying it: I've ridden with my gloves in the rain and at the end of the day my hands where the only thing still dry (I've since upgraded my pants and jacket to Gore-Tex and have been dry ever since). |
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The Goretex fabric itself is water-proof, the problem lies in seams
where the two pieces of fabric are sewn together. Taped seams help a lot, but they can wear out as well. Like Mike T, and Bad Mecha, I have a pair of Outdoor Research shell gloves ($30) and they are as close to waterproof as you can get. The tradeoff is that they aren't very breathable in warm weather (they will get steamy inside from the moisture coming off your body) and are of a simple mitt shaped design and have no built in liner. I use a pair of REI liners at keep my hands quite warm and mostly dry. These only get wet when I take off the shells to do something and stiff my snow covered liners back in... even that it's just a little wet. They have been gauntlet cuffs which prevent snow from coming in from the wrist. I've worn this gloves in icestorms in Maine, -20C winters in Quebec, Sierra cement here in Tahoe, and the summer slush of the PacNW where Mike T is from and I am happy with their performance. This the shells have no lining material, they never get soaking wet and can be dried in less than an hour. So you can just flip them inside out, switch to a second pair of dry liners and have relatively warm and dry hands again. I get cold easily and don't particularly like being wet, but I have found this solution to be ideal for the past couple of years. I've seen SealSkin liners at REI that supposedly keep you hand dry even if if you are using it fully submerged in water (used by kayakers or something) they look interesting and are somewhat comfortable, but I've never decided I needed to go that route. Hope this helps, --Arvin wrote: Have much luck with your gloves/mittens when riding in the rain? Got truly waterproof gloves? How do you dry your gloves when they get soaked inside? It was pouring last week when we were at Sierra-at-Tahoe. Snowing at the top. Anyway my daughter & I use our Gordini gloves that usually seem reasonably warm. Mine are Goretex/Primaloft, hers Drimax/Hollofil II. Anyway they both got soaked through. Less warm when soaked, and by the afternoon we avoided higher elevations to keep our hands warmer. Another problem is they won't dry. We used to use REI gloves, and we'd invert their liners when we were done. These gloves don't seem to want to do that, and it seemed to mess up the REI gloves after awhile. After several days of hanging up to dry, I turned most of my gloves inside out, and it was able to squeeze quite a bit more water out. Not enough for it to dry though. We tried using a hair dryer on "cool" to dry the gloves, but the hair dryer quit. Help! |
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Another vote for OR mitts. The only thing I know that really works.
"lonerider" wrote in message oups.com... The Goretex fabric itself is water-proof, the problem lies in seams where the two pieces of fabric are sewn together. Taped seams help a lot, but they can wear out as well. Like Mike T, and Bad Mecha, I have a pair of Outdoor Research shell gloves ($30) and they are as close to waterproof as you can get. The tradeoff is that they aren't very breathable in warm weather (they will get steamy inside from the moisture coming off your body) and are of a simple mitt shaped design and have no built in liner. I use a pair of REI liners at keep my hands quite warm and mostly dry. These only get wet when I take off the shells to do something and stiff my snow covered liners back in... even that it's just a little wet. They have been gauntlet cuffs which prevent snow from coming in from the wrist. I've worn this gloves in icestorms in Maine, -20C winters in Quebec, Sierra cement here in Tahoe, and the summer slush of the PacNW where Mike T is from and I am happy with their performance. This the shells have no lining material, they never get soaking wet and can be dried in less than an hour. So you can just flip them inside out, switch to a second pair of dry liners and have relatively warm and dry hands again. I get cold easily and don't particularly like being wet, but I have found this solution to be ideal for the past couple of years. I've seen SealSkin liners at REI that supposedly keep you hand dry even if if you are using it fully submerged in water (used by kayakers or something) they look interesting and are somewhat comfortable, but I've never decided I needed to go that route. Hope this helps, --Arvin wrote: Have much luck with your gloves/mittens when riding in the rain? Got truly waterproof gloves? How do you dry your gloves when they get soaked inside? It was pouring last week when we were at Sierra-at-Tahoe. Snowing at the top. Anyway my daughter & I use our Gordini gloves that usually seem reasonably warm. Mine are Goretex/Primaloft, hers Drimax/Hollofil II. Anyway they both got soaked through. Less warm when soaked, and by the afternoon we avoided higher elevations to keep our hands warmer. Another problem is they won't dry. We used to use REI gloves, and we'd invert their liners when we were done. These gloves don't seem to want to do that, and it seemed to mess up the REI gloves after awhile. After several days of hanging up to dry, I turned most of my gloves inside out, and it was able to squeeze quite a bit more water out. Not enough for it to dry though. We tried using a hair dryer on "cool" to dry the gloves, but the hair dryer quit. Help! |
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