Dave / Vern caught in lies and perverications

Bert Hoff wrote:
In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:

You are a deceitful, manipulative, lying piece of ****. You have no
redeeming social value; you don't contribute anything to a community,
except to butt in, stir things up and try to make trouble.

You were that way in 2004-5, and you're that way now.

I knew you'd go straight into denial and obfuscation ... and you did.

You're worthless scum.

Sincerely,

Bert

Whoa Bertie old bean, replying to yourself again ?

PS Top marks for using a spill-chucker this time. HTH HAND

On Apr 4, 10:06*pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 9:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:27 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 5:13 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 3:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.
What's a perverication?
Oh, no! I got caught with a spelling error! Omigawd! The world will end!
Well, Richard Henry, you sure caught me on that one!
prevarication
And let's not see you answering your own posts, either.
You don't want me to follow your example?
Sorry, that's Scott's example.
Lying ... yet again.
It IS your example -
Getting ready is so much fun 3/26/2008 7:48 p.m. and 9:56 p.m.
So don't post any more about never having been caught in a lie.
Godd ol' Bert.
Often wrong, never in doubt.
Check "Whatever happened to the Freak Fest?"
Here's one sequence:
On Mar 21, 10:35 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:56 pm, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:12 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 15, 11:23 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:53 pm, twobuddha wrote
You said "Sorry, that's Scott's example."

Yes, Scott has done it, too.

But you have, too, despite your denial.

As you can see, I learned from Scott's excellent example. *What was
that, 6 in a row?

I'll do it again, should the need or mood arise, but never as well as
Scott.

You'll do it again, and continue to chastize others who do what you do.

One set of rules for Richard Henry and another for the rest of the world.

Typical psycopathic behavior.

Good ol' Bert.

It wasn't my rule, it was yours.

On Apr 4, 5:20*pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.

What's a perverication?

Oh, no! I got caught with a spelling error! Omigawd! The world will end!

Well, Richard Henry, you sure caught me on that one!

prevarication

Bert

OR, it could be said that you were lying when you accused him of
"perverications". Since it is not a word he couldn't possibly been
doing that.

Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 10:06 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 9:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:27 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 5:13 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 3:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.
What's a perverication?
Oh, no! I got caught with a spelling error! Omigawd! The world will end!
Well, Richard Henry, you sure caught me on that one!
prevarication
And let's not see you answering your own posts, either.
You don't want me to follow your example?
Sorry, that's Scott's example.
Lying ... yet again.
It IS your example -
Getting ready is so much fun 3/26/2008 7:48 p.m. and 9:56 p.m.
So don't post any more about never having been caught in a lie.
Godd ol' Bert.
Often wrong, never in doubt.
Check "Whatever happened to the Freak Fest?"
Here's one sequence:
On Mar 21, 10:35 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:56 pm, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:12 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 15, 11:23 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:53 pm, twobuddha wrote
You said "Sorry, that's Scott's example."
Yes, Scott has done it, too.
But you have, too, despite your denial.
As you can see, I learned from Scott's excellent example. What was
that, 6 in a row?
I'll do it again, should the need or mood arise, but never as well as
Scott.
You'll do it again, and continue to chastize others who do what you do.

One set of rules for Richard Henry and another for the rest of the world.

Typical psycopathic behavior.

Good ol' Bert.

It wasn't my rule, it was yours.

Lying again, I see. You were chastizing others.

Bert

On Apr 4, 11:13*pm, Dave Cartman wrote:
In article ,
*The Real Bev wrote:

Richard Henry wrote:

On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.

What's a perverication?

Something that perverts use. *I suspect that Bert made a Freudian slip..

I was going to guess it was a cross between Pervert and Vacation. *Bert?
Anything... unusual... happen on your trip to Jackson Hole?

Dave

We HAVE seen the video.

BrritSki wrote:
Bert Hoff wrote:
In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:

You are a deceitful, manipulative, lying piece of ****. You have no
redeeming social value; you don't contribute anything to a community,
except to butt in, stir things up and try to make trouble.

You were that way in 2004-5, and you're that way now.

I knew you'd go straight into denial and obfuscation ... and you did.

You're worthless scum.

Sincerely,

Bert

Whoa Bertie old bean, replying to yourself again ?

PS Top marks for using a spill-chucker this time. HTH HAND

No, not replying to myself.

You're lying ... agaiin.

You edited out Dave's post, silly Roger.

Bert

On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 07:29:22 -0700 (PDT), pigo
wrote this crap:


We HAVE seen the video.


The one he took of himself, and a donkey?




My T-shirt says, "This shirt is the
ultimate power in the universe."

In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:

Let me bottom-line it for you.

Hey! I'm really not interested in going on one of your
"peveri-cations" with you.

You are a deceitful, manipulative, lying piece of ****. You have no
redeeming social value; you don't contribute anything to a community,
except to butt in, stir things up and try to make trouble.

That is clearly a red strawed herring dish of hominy!

You were that way in 2004-5, and you're that way now.

But what, 2006-2007 I was Mother frickin' Theresa? We shoulda hung out
then! gotten a bucket O'Douls, watched the World Super Series together,
maybe some NASCAR Wrestling. you know, guy stuff.

You started sniffing around asking who my Web provider was. I know you
get off on "netcopping" and trying to stir things up ... just like you
did on Annexcafe.

Again with the mysterious and shadowy "Annexcafe." If I'd known it was
a sore spot with you, I never would have mentioned it.

I knew you'd go straight into denial and obfuscation ... and you did.

Well, maybe you knew you were wrong, and maybe you knew that "denial" is
an appropriate response when being falsely accused of something. As for
"obfuscation," you seem to have difficulty communicating even the
simplest of ideas lately. Perhaps it's time you asked a friend or
family member for some help.

You're worthless scum.

Silly cranky, old Bert, always with the crabby insults You are
ADORABLE!

Dave

Bert, you are a genius, I've been ****ing with this psychopathic
coward for ages.....but you make him rise to new heights of lying,
manipulation, and bull****.
Damn, you are good.
Don't you just love how he refers to Vinnie Walker as "Clarence"?
Which raises the question: how can anyone with a bull**** internet
name be defamed? Can't defame someone who doesn't identify
themselves, eh?
Keep up the good work. Ain't ****ing with freaks fun? And we don't
have to lie, either....

But remember, compassion for this truly damaged human being: he lives
in lies, he thrives on lies. He will never become enlightened, like
us.

Dalai Two Buddha

Vail: never heard a two thousand voice choir.

On Apr 4, 10:07 pm, Dave Cartman wrote:
In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:

Hi Bert,

Are you drinking tonight? Because this is some seriously funny stuff
you're posting. So tamp down a pack of Virginia Slims and fetch your
readin' spectacles and let's take a look at what you got.

I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.

You mean a simple question like, "what did you mean when you were
posting about Clarence's wife and daughter earning quarters?"

--THAT-- is a simple question, and one, that by the way, you continue
to duck.

You can't seem to recall what you meant when you were posting about
Clarence's wife and daughter "earning quarters," and that was only a
week ago, and here you all gettin' all snippy and demanding about posts
from over 4 years ago.



Are you the Vern93/Dave that posted here about Annexcafe in 2003-2004,
posted on Annexcafe and complained to the Annexcafe community manager
about me?

You call that a simple question? 20 words, three parts, unclear who you
are talking about and going back indefinitely, and only later amended to
four years?

That's your "simple question?" And how was I supposed to know if there
was someone out the posting as "Vern93/Dave?" I wouldn't want to claim
his or her intellectual property as my own.

That's why I asked you REPEATEDLY to just post the google link to the
posts you considered "false complaints and allegations" and I would look
at them when I got a chance. You finally post them, but instead of
saying, "Hey Dave, I'm sorry I was such a cement headed gas bag, I could
have saved a lot time and typing by just acquiescing to your entirely
reasonable request," You are all, "AHA, I tricked you! Now I've got
you!!! Here are the posts that I think contain "false complaints and
allegations!!!" Gotcha! ELEVENTY1111 !"

Actually, Vern, in the midst of your lies, pervarications and ramblings
you inadvertently answered my question.

Holy Smokes! I can't believe that in mentioning that I used to use
Comcast as an ISP, you were able to discern that I had previously used
Comcast as my ISP. Then what? You cross referenced? You hacked into
the Comcast subscriber base? You assumed that I was Comcast's sole
customer? Please, I want to hear the intellectual leap you made next.



You let slip that comcast.net was your provider. You are the
that posted here about Annexcafe in
2003-2004, posted on Annexcafe and complained to the Annexcafe community
manager about me.

Really? And before we go much further, I want to remind you that you
never got around to explaining what Annexcafe Cafe is and why you think
it so important? (see, that's a simple question)





Dave Cartman wrote:
In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:

When you say posted "here" you mean RSA? Annexcafe? The internets?
Where is "here?"
"Here," of course, is RSA.

Hi Bert,

Sadly, with you there is no "of course" There is also no "obviously" and
there is certainly very little detail in your wild claims of "false
complaints and allegations." You sir, are a cement headed gasbag.
How could "here" be Annexcafe?

What EXACTLY is Annexcafe and why are you talking about it? You seemed
to claim it was your webhost and then changed you mind.

This is another one of your lies. I never claimed it was my Web host,
and never changed my mind.

You may not remember. Your posting that night was a little incoherent,
angry, and rambling. It was two or three nights ago, the same night you
took an unseemly interest in how you imagined Horvath masturbated. I
thought you were drunk that night, but I was trying to give you the
benefit of the doubt. To refresh your memory:

You said, "You're asking questions about my Web hosting service. I just
don't trust you not to try to contact my service ... as in Annexcafe."
Then I said, "Is Annexcafe your webhost?"

You were unable to answer the question and took of on this crazy tangent
of yours about whether or not I had ever posted there and you had it in
your head that I had made "false complaints and allegations" about you.



Disingenuous of you to claim that you don't know what Annexcafe is.

You can call it what you want, but honestly... I still don't know what
Annexcafe is. And you refuse to tell me, and I'm disinclined to do the
research because I just don't care that much. Fair enough?





You refuse to
clarify whether it is or not. Is Annexcafe your ISP too? For the
record, I don't care.

I'm pretty sure I never posted on Annexcafe to the "Annexcafe
community
manager" about you. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please
feel free to post it, otherwise you should probably drop it. (I find
that much more eloquent than "PPOSTFU.") Who is (was?) the "Annexcafe
community manager" anyway. Does Annexcafe even have a searchable
database?

Gratuitous insults snipped

Perverication and "straw man" fallacy. I never claimed that you posted
on Annexcafe to the "Annexcafe community manager" about you. You're
trying to put words in my mouth, that I never said.

Bert, you're acting all babble-ly and nutty again. You are a little
hard to follow sometimes, especially late at night when you get prolific
and angry. What was it you claimed that I did then? And before you ask
to see my email again again... No.



And I informed you that I would not be discussing any private email
correspondence with you.

If you chose to interpret that as "Gratuitous insults," we make be
closer to figuring out your problem.

"Ishie" was the Annexcafe Community Manager.

Finally! How hard was that!? Does Ishie have a last name, or is he
like Cher and Bono?

Lie and perverication that you pretend you don't know who Ishie is, or
that she is the community manager there.

I didn't recall who Ishie was. Look, I know this whole RSA thing is
important to you. I don't have shoeboxes full of old posts, dry erase
boards with circles and arrows and a corkboard with notecards push
pinned it in my basement. I suspect you do.

I don't archive my RSA posts and I only have access to my email going
back a couple of years. I do have a life and it has nothing to do with
4 year old posts that I don't recall to people who I don't recall. Next
you're going to accuse me of PRETENDING I didn't know what I did with my
car keys this morning

This is why (and I'm going to all capital here) I ASKED YOU TO LINK TO
THE POSTS THAT YOU THOUGHT CONTAINED "FALSE COMPLAINTS AND ALLEGATIONS"

You've finally done that, and I'll take a look. Happy?





Here's a link to just one thread, where you talk about Ishie.
http://tinyurl.com/6762et

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Scott Abraham wrote:

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Where is the lie? The first one (well actually the second one) is that
Ishie censors discussion of terrorism on annexcafe. You lied about
that, and admitted to knowingly posting in the incorrect group. When
you behave badly, you are going to have you hand slapped and your
inappropriate posts pulled.

The rest of of your claims are lies too, but they aren't worth
debunking. Ishie is known far and wide as hero of annexcafe. She has
whole news groups devoted to her wonderfulness.

Dave

==================================

My Comment: I gave my word to Scott that I wouldn't tease him for 7
days and I intend to keep it. Putting that aside, I don't see any
"false complaints and allegations" about you. Please highlight and
resubmit or apologize.



To which Ishie replied:

Slap. I hope you aren't going to repost every response to everyone one
of my posts and expect a comment.

You also posted in praise of Ishie:

Discussion subject changed to "The complete merenguity of Annexcafe's
Ishie" by vern93

I remember Ishie now! She seemed like a lovely young women. Did you
find my praising Ishie to be "false complaints and allegations." I
think you're just jealous. Here ya go... I think you're a special
little fella too.





vern93
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In article , Scott Abraham
wrote: I never cease to be amazed at the utter
hypocrisy of Ishie, the Sysop of Annexcafe. Hey dude, Ishie is a
sweet, hard working and impossibly patient young lady. Stop being such
a dick and embarrassing yourself like this. You are losing what little
you have left left and you really need to seek some professional help.
Your obsessiveness and compulsions have gotten completely out of
control. Go to a counselor or psychologist or somebody besides Bert,
tell them your story. Show them a couple of shoeboxes full of your
posts, then shut up and listen to what they tell you. HTH. Really.
Dave PS merenguity is a word I just made up describing the "state of
being like merengue" as in "lemon merengue pie." Merengue as we all
know is sweet and wonderful

My Comment: Yes this is indeed a usenet post to someone named Ishie,
who as I recall is a lovely young women. I don't recall hearing her
described as ...

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Damn,

On Apr 4, 10:09 pm, Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:27 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:



Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 5:13 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 3:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.
What's a perverication?
Oh, no! I got caught with a spelling error! Omigawd! The world will end!
Well, Richard Henry, you sure caught me on that one!
prevarication
And let's not see you answering your own posts, either.
You don't want me to follow your example?

Sorry, that's Scott's example.

Lying ... yet again.

It IS your example -

Getting ready is so much fun 3/26/2008 7:48 p.m. and 9:56 p.m.

So don't post any more about never having been caught in a lie.

Godd ol' Bert.

Often wrong, never in doubt.

Check "Whatever happened to the Freak Fest?"

Here's one sequence:

On Mar 21, 10:35 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:56 pm, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:12 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 15, 11:23 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:53 pm, twobuddha wrote



What's wrong with that, freak? I was just posting to remind people of
how embarassing it must be to be caught in such a pathetic, laughable,
transparent lie. And pointing out that none of you have come up with
anything even resembling an explanation for a communal lie of epic
proportions.
Explain the lies told by you, Suzieflame, and the rest of the freaks.
The Freak Fest never happened. Never was going to happen. How sad.
I must have compassion for you. It must be hard to be a psychopath,
so lonely, so excluded from the affairs of decent people. Here, you
have peers and fellow freaks who understand you and bond with you,
unlike in the real world, where decent people loathe you.
How painful to be a freak!!!!!!
Hey, where's Suzieflame? Hell, if I got caught in such a whopper, I'd
hide out too. But I didn't lie about MY freebies and goodies this
year......

Dalai Two Buddha

Vail: Tickets miraculously reincarnated....