Dave / Vern caught in lies and perverications

On Apr 4, 8:27*pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 5:13 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 3:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.
What's a perverication?
Oh, no! I got caught with a spelling error! Omigawd! The world will end!
Well, Richard Henry, you sure caught me on that one!
prevarication
And let's not see you answering your own posts, either.
You don't want me to follow your example?

Sorry, that's Scott's example.

Lying ... yet again.

It IS your example -

Getting ready is so much fun 3/26/2008 7:48 p.m. and 9:56 p.m.

So don't post any more about never having been caught in a lie.

Godd ol' Bert.

Often wrong, never in doubt.

Check "Whatever happened to the Freak Fest?"

Here's one sequence:

On Mar 21, 10:35 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:56 pm, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:12 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 15, 11:23 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:53 pm, twobuddha wrote

In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:

Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.


What's a perverication?


Oh, no! I got caught with a spelling error!

Actually errors. That wasn't a typo, you spelled it like that all
through out. Bert really, something isn't right with you. Whatever it
is, you should just ignore it, it'll probably get better on it's own.

Dave

In article ,
The Real Bev wrote:

Richard Henry wrote:

On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.

What's a perverication?

Something that perverts use. I suspect that Bert made a Freudian slip.

I was going to guess it was a cross between Pervert and Vacation. Bert?
Anything... unusual... happen on your trip to Jackson Hole?

Dave

Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:27 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 5:13 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 3:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.
What's a perverication?
Oh, no! I got caught with a spelling error! Omigawd! The world will end!
Well, Richard Henry, you sure caught me on that one!
prevarication
And let's not see you answering your own posts, either.
You don't want me to follow your example?
Sorry, that's Scott's example.
Lying ... yet again.

It IS your example -

Getting ready is so much fun 3/26/2008 7:48 p.m. and 9:56 p.m.

So don't post any more about never having been caught in a lie.

Godd ol' Bert.

Often wrong, never in doubt.

Check "Whatever happened to the Freak Fest?"

Here's one sequence:

On Mar 21, 10:35 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:56 pm, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:12 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 15, 11:23 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:53 pm, twobuddha wrote


You said "Sorry, that's Scott's example."

Yes, Scott has done it, too.

But you have, too, despite your denial.

Bert

On Apr 4, 9:20*pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:27 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 5:13 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 3:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.
What's a perverication?
Oh, no! I got caught with a spelling error! Omigawd! The world will end!
Well, Richard Henry, you sure caught me on that one!
prevarication
And let's not see you answering your own posts, either.
You don't want me to follow your example?
Sorry, that's Scott's example.
Lying ... yet again.

It IS your example -

Getting ready is so much fun 3/26/2008 7:48 p.m. and 9:56 p.m.

So don't post any more about never having been caught in a lie.

Godd ol' Bert.

Often wrong, never in doubt.

Check "Whatever happened to the Freak Fest?"

Here's one sequence:

On Mar 21, 10:35 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:56 pm, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:12 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 15, 11:23 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:53 pm, twobuddha wrote

You said "Sorry, that's Scott's example."

Yes, Scott has done it, too.

But you have, too, despite your denial.

As you can see, I learned from Scott's excellent example. What was
that, 6 in a row?

I'll do it again, should the need or mood arise, but never as well as
Scott.

Wow! You sure are a windy old gasbag as you equivocate, prevaricate and
avoid.

You are the who posted as Dave, posting here on RSA
about Annexcafe, posted on Annexcafe and complained to the Annexcafe
community manager / SYSOP about me.

You provide great examples of fallacies while you're at it.

Dave Cartman wrote:
In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:

Hi Bert,

Are you drinking tonight? Because this is some seriously funny stuff
you're posting. So tamp down a pack of Virginia Slims and fetch your
readin' spectacles and let's take a look at what you got.

Ad-hominym - personal attack

I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.

You mean a simple question like, "what did you mean when you were
posting about Clarence's wife and daughter earning quarters?"

--THAT-- is a simple question, and one, that by the way, you continue
to duck.

Red-herring.

....

Are you the Vern93/Dave that posted here about Annexcafe in 2003-2004,
posted on Annexcafe and complained to the Annexcafe community manager
about me?

You call that a simple question? 20 words, three parts, unclear who you
are talking about and going back indefinitely, and only later amended to
four years?

Equivocation

That's your "simple question?" And how was I supposed to know if there
was someone out the posting as "Vern93/Dave?" I wouldn't want to claim
his or her intellectual property as my own.

Posted as "Dave", listig your posting e-mail address as

Pretending to be dense, stupid and obtuse ... not sure if that's an
actual fallacy.


That's why I asked you REPEATEDLY to just post the google link to the
posts you considered "false complaints and allegations" and I would look
at them when I got a chance. You finally post them, but instead of
saying, "Hey Dave, I'm sorry I was such a cement headed gas bag, I could
have saved a lot time and typing by just acquiescing to your entirely
reasonable request," You are all, "AHA, I tricked you! Now I've got
you!!! Here are the posts that I think contain "false complaints and
allegations!!!" Gotcha! ELEVENTY1111 !"

OK. I'm sorry you're a cement-headed gas bag.


Actually, Vern, in the midst of your lies, pervarications and ramblings
you inadvertently answered my question.

Holy Smokes! I can't believe that in mentioning that I used to use
Comcast as an ISP, you were able to discern that I had previously used
Comcast as my ISP. Then what? You cross referenced? You hacked into
the Comcast subscriber base? You assumed that I was Comcast's sole
customer? Please, I want to hear the intellectual leap you made next.

Far-fetched hypothesis. Intellectual leap? . How
many of THOSE do you think there are?

You let slip that comcast.net was your provider. You are the
that posted here about Annexcafe in
2003-2004, posted on Annexcafe and complained to the Annexcafe community
manager about me.

Really?

Yes

And before we go much further, I want to remind you that you
never got around to explaining what Annexcafe Cafe is and why you think
it so important? (see, that's a simple question)

Red herring. You know that ANnexcafe nosts newsgroups - since you posted
on them. What ELSE Annexcafe may or may not be is irrelevant.

Dave Cartman wrote:
In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:

When you say posted "here" you mean RSA? Annexcafe? The internets?
Where is "here?"
"Here," of course, is RSA.

Hi Bert,

Sadly, with you there is no "of course" There is also no "obviously" and
there is certainly very little detail in your wild claims of "false
complaints and allegations." You sir, are a cement headed gasbag.
How could "here" be Annexcafe?

What EXACTLY is Annexcafe and why are you talking about it? You seemed
to claim it was your webhost and then changed you mind.

This is another one of your lies. I never claimed it was my Web host,
and never changed my mind.

You may not remember. Your posting that night was a little incoherent,
angry, and rambling. It was two or three nights ago, the same night you
took an unseemly interest in how you imagined Horvath masturbated. I
thought you were drunk that night, but I was trying to give you the
benefit of the doubt.

Ad-hom

To refresh your memory:

You said, "You're asking questions about my Web hosting service. I just
don't trust you not to try to contact my service ... as in Annexcafe."
Then I said, "Is Annexcafe your webhost?"

They're both net-copping. I don't trust you not to Net-cop.

You were unable to answer the question

I chose not to answer it because it was an irrelevant red herring.

and took of on this crazy tangent
of yours about whether or not I had ever posted there and you had it in
your head that I had made "false complaints and allegations" about you.

Responding to your feigned ignorance about Annexcafe and its newsgroups.


Disingenuous of you to claim that you don't know what Annexcafe is.

You can call it what you want, but honestly... I still don't know what
Annexcafe is. And you refuse to tell me, and I'm disinclined to do the
research because I just don't care that much. Fair enough?

You know Annexcafe hosts newsgroups such as annexcafe.men.mensbbs

You refuse to
clarify whether it is or not. Is Annexcafe your ISP too? For the
record, I don't care.


I'm pretty sure I never posted on Annexcafe to the "Annexcafe
community
manager" about you. If you have any evidence to the contrary, please
feel free to post it, otherwise you should probably drop it. (I find
that much more eloquent than "PPOSTFU.") Who is (was?) the "Annexcafe
community manager" anyway. Does Annexcafe even have a searchable
database?

Gratuitous insults snipped

Perverication and "straw man" fallacy. I never claimed that you posted
on Annexcafe to the "Annexcafe community manager" about you. You're
trying to put words in my mouth, that I never said.

Bert, you're acting all babble-ly and nutty again. You are a little
hard to follow sometimes, especially late at night when you get prolific
and angry. What was it you claimed that I did then? And before you ask
to see my email again again... No.

Ad-hom and red herring.

Feigned stupidity.

You said you were pretty sure that you never posted on Annexcafe to the
Annexcafe community manager about me. But I never said you had. Yours
was a "straw man" argument.



And I informed you that I would not be discussing any private email
correspondence with you.

If you chose to interpret that as "Gratuitous insults," we make be
closer to figuring out your problem.

"Ishie" was the Annexcafe Community Manager.

Finally! How hard was that!? Does Ishie have a last name, or is he
like Cher and Bono?

Lie and perverication that you pretend you don't know who Ishie is, or
that she is the community manager there.

I didn't recall who Ishie was. Look, I know this whole RSA thing is
important to you. I don't have shoeboxes full of old posts, dry erase
boards with circles and arrows and a corkboard with notecards push
pinned it in my basement. I suspect you do.

Ad-hom; far-fetched hypothesis.

I don't archive my RSA posts and I only have access to my email going
back a couple of years. I do have a life and it has nothing to do with
4 year old posts that I don't recall to people who I don't recall. Next
you're going to accuse me of PRETENDING I didn't know what I did with my
car keys this morning

Slippery slope.

snip

My Comment: I gave my word to Scott that I wouldn't tease him for 7
days and I intend to keep it. Putting that aside, I don't see any
"false complaints and allegations" about you. Please highlight and
resubmit or apologize.

Red herring. You were pretending you didn't know who Ishie was.

To which Ishie replied:

Slap. I hope you aren't going to repost every response to everyone one
of my posts and expect a comment.

You also posted in praise of Ishie:


Discussion subject changed to "The complete merenguity of Annexcafe's
Ishie" by vern93

I remember Ishie now! She seemed like a lovely young women. Did you
find my praising Ishie to be "false complaints and allegations." I
think you're just jealous. Here ya go... I think you're a special
little fella too.




Bert, here is the thing. Some years back, I had an anonymous coward
spoof a close approximation of my posting handle here in RSA, and I sure
don't want to accept any responsibilty for what that slimy character
wrote. Just between you and me, he was a really dishonest, cowardly,
weasel.

The profile that goes with that thread shows that it's you. Or are you
saying Google lies?

Of course not. I don't know why it was so hard for you to just do this
at the beginning. And I do appreciate the extra work you went to to
make the tinyurls. They are ADORABLE!

I still don't see any "false complaints and allegations" about you
though. Isn't that what you found so upsetting? Honestly, I don't feel
like I'm quite getting what it is you are trying to say.
Are you denying that you made the posts in the thread
http://tinyurl.com/6762et and the thread http://tinyurl.com/6nwkql ?

Nope, of course not. I wish you hadn't posted that though. I'm trying
to let Scott cool off a little, and you seem intent in whipping him into
a lather by posting some of my "Best Of" stuff. You should be ashamed
of yourself.



I pulled many of your posts to Annexcafe, as you well know.

Actually I don't know. I don't have any inkling into the working of
Annexcafe. I do seem to remember some server problems there, but...
look, this is obviously much more important to you than it is me.
This was back in 2004?

In an email to me Ishie outlined your false allegations about my
moderation of Annexcafe's men's bbs. I will not quote those emails here.
To quote you from one of your earlier posts:

If you are asking me about the contents of personal email, my first
reaction is "screw you." My second reaction is, well... "screw you
again." My third is that I've moved three times since 2004 and no
longer have access to my email from those days. I was with @Home and
then Comcast and, wow, frog****.com and hotmail.com and... look - it
doesn't matter, even if I could access those archives, I'm not going to
start telling you who I emailed about what when. That is extremely
disrespectful to the other party as well.

But Ishie posted here on RSA that she was in correspondence with you.
Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/5qo68r

And here's what she said:


Ishie
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Well, it had been meant to be a private response to Vern, nonetheless, it is
still a reply to a specifically personal bit of flattery, and in no way
inappropriate to my position. I believe you have been one who staunchly
defended people's rights to do as they chose off server, as long, of
course,as they did not behave in a manner to bring dishonor to Annexcafe....
snip

Again Bert, my email "inbox" remains off limits to your nicotine stained
fingers. However, in reading this posting, I fail to see anything
remotely approaching "false complaints and allegations"

So you're denying you sent any email to Ishie about my moderation on
Annexcafe.

I know that's a damn lie.

Ishie told me you had, and she's a lot more believable than you are.


Bert

Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 9:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 8:27 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 5:13 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 3:20 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
Richard Henry wrote:
On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.
What's a perverication?
Oh, no! I got caught with a spelling error! Omigawd! The world will end!
Well, Richard Henry, you sure caught me on that one!
prevarication
And let's not see you answering your own posts, either.
You don't want me to follow your example?
Sorry, that's Scott's example.
Lying ... yet again.
It IS your example -
Getting ready is so much fun 3/26/2008 7:48 p.m. and 9:56 p.m.
So don't post any more about never having been caught in a lie.
Godd ol' Bert.
Often wrong, never in doubt.
Check "Whatever happened to the Freak Fest?"
Here's one sequence:
On Mar 21, 10:35 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 20, 10:21 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 19, 9:56 pm, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 18, 9:12 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 15, 11:23 am, twobuddha wrote:
On Mar 9, 1:53 pm, twobuddha wrote
You said "Sorry, that's Scott's example."

Yes, Scott has done it, too.

But you have, too, despite your denial.

As you can see, I learned from Scott's excellent example. What was
that, 6 in a row?

I'll do it again, should the need or mood arise, but never as well as
Scott.


You'll do it again, and continue to chastize others who do what you do.

One set of rules for Richard Henry and another for the rest of the world.

Typical psycopathic behavior.

Bert

In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:

Again Bert, my email "inbox" remains off limits to your nicotine stained
fingers. However, in reading this posting, I fail to see anything
remotely approaching "false complaints and allegations"

So you're denying you sent any email to Ishie about my moderation on
Annexcafe.

I know that's a damn lie

Hey! I know logical fallacy this is! Do you?

Ishie told me you had, and she's a lot more believable than you are.

Bert, to quote Horvath: I wouldn't believe you if you said water was
wet. If you are going to accuse me of making "false complaints and
allegations" a little evidence would be nice. I'm starting to think you
made the whole thing up.

Dave

Dave Cartman wrote:
In article ,
The Real Bev wrote:

Richard Henry wrote:

On Apr 4, 2:40 pm, Bert Hoff wrote:
I had asked Dave / Vern a simple question, and he wandered all over the
place with lies, perverications and incoherent ramblings.
What's a perverication?
Something that perverts use. I suspect that Bert made a Freudian slip.

I was going to guess it was a cross between Pervert and Vacation. Bert?
Anything... unusual... happen on your trip to Jackson Hole?

ROFL

Dave Cartman wrote:
In article ,
Bert Hoff wrote:



So you're denying you sent any email to Ishie about my moderation on
Annexcafe.

I know that's a damn lie

Hey! I know logical fallacy this is! Do you?
Ishie told me you had, and she's a lot more believable than you are.

Bert, to quote Horvath: I wouldn't believe you if you said water was
wet. If you are going to accuse me of making "false complaints and
allegations" a little evidence would be nice. I'm starting to think you
made the whole thing up.

Dave

Let me bottom-line it for you.

You are a deceitful, manipulative, lying piece of ****. You have no
redeeming social value; you don't contribute anything to a community,
except to butt in, stir things up and try to make trouble.

You were that way in 2004-5, and you're that way now.

You started sniffing around asking who my Web provider was. I know you
get off on "netcopping" and trying to stir things up ... just like you
did on Annexcafe.

I knew you'd go straight into denial and obfuscation ... and you did.

You're worthless scum.

Sincerely,

Bert